Plan to eliminate poverty, reduce crime and balance the budget...

[Wren57]

A little social Darwinism for a pleasant Wednesday morning.

I believe there is a way to eliminate poverty, reduce crime and create a budget surplus all within the next 20-50 years. Sound too good to be true? Bare with me.

- eliminate social welfare; no more money for poor folks popping out babies (that will just grow old and pop out more babies, draining the system)

- child tax; $2,000 due upon birth for citizenship and a birth certificate (doesn't matter if you're born in a hospital or not). To be paid to the local government of which jurisdiction the baby is born into.

- use child tax money to hire more police officers to be placed WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED MOST (I'm sick of seeing cops driving down the big/safe roads everywhere... go into the ghettos you morons!)

- free government issued condoms for those below the current poverty line. for those above, buy your own damn condoms or deal with the consequences

- legalize abortion (touchy issue, don't wanna get too deep into this one)

- eliminate social security. Save your money yourself or buy a pistol and one bullet when you retire.

- school vouchers. in my hometown it cost taxpayers an average of over 13,000 a year to send one child to public school. Our public school system is the worst in the state, and the state's is one of the worst in the country. That said, my private high school was 11,000 a year and one of the top 100 in the country.

- stiffer penalties for juvenile violence. You attack anyone with a deadly weapon, minimum 2 years imprisonment. Period.

- give $2000 back to each person when they turn 18 assuming they have a clean criminal record, no kids and a HS GPA of at least 2.0.

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Not that I think any of this will ever get implemented the way I would like it to be, it is nice to dream. And yes, I know all the humanistic people are gonna cry foul, but screw em... I'm tired of seeing problematic bottom-feeders not even try to better themselves... all many of them do is live off the system. This plan would force the lower class to make a choice; sink or swim. No more governmental buoyancy.

On a lighter note;
"They won't let you have drinks back there. I like a Jack & Coke. One time, I saw a Jack & Coke and it had a lime floating in it, and I thought "That's good to know." Next time I'm on a boat and it capsizes, I will reach for a lime... I'll be water skiing without a life jacket and people will be like "What the hell?" and I'll pull out a lime. I'll pull out a lemon too, saved by the buoyancy of citrus!"
-Mitch Hedberg, RIP

[nonovurbizniz]

Go back to the drawing board... unless you plan a violent over-throw of the govt. and then in turn the people of america, that won't ever happen...

Also it won't affect the budget for sh!t. Nor will it affect crime levels...

Basically that sounds like what every rich kid/adult republican thinks will fix everything when in reality it will do nothing other than starve kids who NEED help, oppress those who can't afford to live outside the ghetto, and basically piss off everyone in the country who isn't born into wealth.

The sad part is I'm fairly convinced that those in the Right (in the know) who spout out this crap KNOW it won't help... they just keep it coming to distract their followers and to give the other side something to bitch about.

Oh and abortion is legal.

[ebpda9]

legalize prostitustion and make the pimps and hoes pay taxes. i am sure that would reduce the deficit in 2 years

[Wren57]

No overthrow of the government here... remember me stating I was gonna enter politics? I'm gonna work the system, not fight it.

It will affect the budget- you think welfare is free? It will also force people to be more productive aka generate wealth aka boost the economy. And yes, it will lower the crime rate as most crime occurs below the poverty line.

How will it starve kids? There won't be nearly as many kids being popped out by the lower class if you issue condoms and put a child tax on them. Once you make poor people pay for kids instead of getting money for having them, they'll think twice and drive/walk a few minutes to get a sh!tload of condoms.


Nothing I wrote punishes the poor for being poor. It punishes them for not having a job and for having more kids than they can afford... these kids are thus not parented well, turn to violence/etc and grow up to be poor and the cycle continues. While there are great exceptions such as Colon Powell, the rule far outweighs the exceptions in this case.

[nonovurbizniz]

I'm not going to endulge this debate frankly...

you have a LOT to learn... ALL of what you are saying is based on YOUR predisposed thoughts on the lower class... You have NO clue what it's like to be poor or how poor people are... (as if they're even ALL one way.)

Wealth has NOTHING to do with how well a child is raised...

You are really blinded by your circumstance and what you read/listen to.

Frankly if you were my kid I would feel I did a bad job raising you.

You are EXACTLY the kind of person I would picture going into gov't...

Enjoy the pay offs and getting nothing done.

[nonovurbizniz]

P.S. If you want to repost this and see what other people think I'll stay out of it.

[Wren57]

As for your presumptions about me being a rich kid... yeah, I'm well off. But guess what... I wasn't always. I'm the product of a single-parent household until my mom remarried when I was 8. We were broke as hell... my mom used to drive an early 80s Maxima until like 1992... we lived in a single bedroom apartment (yes, both of us) for some time... then she remarried my stepdad who at the time was basically no better than a contruction worker. My parents made their own money by working hard and not bitching.

In short... Fuck You.

[CD5Passion]

aahhahahahah i just found this thread to be funny

[nonovurbizniz]

So you want some tissues or what...

You act like a spoiled little bitch and until YOU make YOUR own money I won't have any respect for your thoughts on people in poverty.

Especially when you openly come out with such obvious pointless drivel that won't accomplish a single thing except making you think you know something...

your proposal SUCKS. It would never work or be implimented.

If you presented that to ANY politician they'd laugh in your face.

Sorry I try to be realistic with you... I know I should be more sensitive so you don't cry... but.. that's not who I am... I find it's more helpful to tell people when they have their head up their ass.

[Wren57]

I love how I post a plan and your rebuttle is "you don't know what you're talking about", "your plan is stupid" and "you were raised badly"... no, I don't need any tissues... we made it through the class barrier just fine. I believe it is you that wants the tissues (or wants the class barrier lowered).

Why don't you focus on the issue, playa? I'll refer you to another thread... perhaps you will find my posting there appropriately suits you and your argumentative style;
http://www.hstuners.com/forums/showt...threadid=24411


ps- I also posted this on my350z.com in the Politics/War forum where there are some very intelligent people. Instead of bashing (which is what you prefer), we're actually having an intellectual policy debate over there. Sorry you couldn't be mature enough to handle one here, please exit the thread unless you have anything meaningful or constructive to say about the original post.

[GT40FIED]

Well...before this turns into an all-out bitchfest, I'll throw in my two cents. I gotta say Wren...I do think some of those ideas are decent. Others are bordering on dictatorial. Oh...and abortion is already legal but the longer Bush is in office the more in doubt that becomes.

- You can't entirely ditch welfare. Yes...I dislike it as well but there are still a few honest people left using. I knew a girl in high school who's mom worked a 40 hour week and still couldn't make ends meet. I like the idea of workfare better. If you put in an honest day's work and still can't make it at home, we can help ya. Wanna lay on your back all day and pop out babies? Fuck off.

- Passing out government issued condoms to the poor amounts to one thing...population control. Poor kids don't necessarily grow up to be poor adults, as you've illustrated by your rags to riches story. Besides, anyone who wants condoms can go to their local city/county run health clinic and get them by the truckload for free.

- I'd like to see social secutiry hang around. Hell...if they did away with it right now, I'd be pissed as hell. What about all the money I've put into it over the years? What about 30 or 40 year olds who've put in a hell of a lot more than me? Some people just plain don't make enough to money to save a significant amount of it for retirement. This is why more and more people are working into their 70s.

- School vouchers probably won't change much of anything. What we need is better teachers. I graduated with a high school diploma in spite of all my elementary and middle school teachers, not because of them. Teachers do such an important job but get paid shit while CEOs get millions a year for jobs that require little more than yes/no answers and going to the bathroom every 15 minutes to masturbate. A CEO's performance only effects his/her company while a teacher's performance effects citizens and society.

- I'm not sure that juvenile justice plan goes far enough. If you commit a violent felony of any nature, no juvenile hall bullshit for you. You go to PRISON until you're 21 (special population, maybe). Let kids know where they'll end up if they keep up the same bullshit. I've seen way too many future public menaces let off the hook simply because they were teenagers.

Honestly...I think a big problem there was in the wording. After re-reading it, it really does sound like you're trying to get rid of the lower class altogether. There's ALWAYS going to be a lower class no matter what. If everyone were one the same level then we'd just be communists. Besides...I'm proud to be a product of the middle middle MIDDLE class.

[Violent Apathy]

All well and good Steve, but I think you forgot to take this into account....

[JDMFantasy2k]

legalize marijuana. You could tax it higher than cigarettes, and also sell growing permits for outside growers. The proliferation of that market (and taxation) would be rediculous. Not to mention, consumption of junk food would go way up

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by JDMFantasy2k
legalize marijuana. You could tax it higher than cigarettes, and also sell growing permits for outside growers. The proliferation of that market (and taxation) would be rediculous. Not to mention, consumption of junk food would go way up

I think widening it's use in industrial/commercial venues (i.e. rope, paper, clothing, as an extract, etc.) would vastly outweigh any taxes arising from it's sale for pot smoking purposes.

[JDMFantasy2k]

hmm true. Maximize hemp usage, interesting...

[AkimboStylee]

Idont know gt, he has a point, if it were legalized it would taxed the same if not more than alcohol and tobacco. But in real life it will never be LEGALIZED, maybe tolerated but not legalized.

on this side note: i think they should legalize many of the drugs on the market(ie:streets) because the government would be making money of it, and than it would be spending less money on the WAR ON DRUGS( what a bunch of crap, did you know that there are more people in jail/prison for drug RELATED crimes than there are for rape and other felonies except for hatecrimes/murder)
plus than it would not be an epidemic if you will, because than it will be the persons choice.
anyways im waisted off of medicine (had to have my stomache pumped which is why i have been away for a couple of days, was at a club and was slipped a jager shot with MDMA in it and with my slow metabalism rate my body couldn't handle it, so know they have me on a mild narcotic to ease the pain that the drug did to my stomache and what the procedure did

here is the name of the medicine (as on the bottle from the hospitol says)
4,5-epoxy-3-hydroxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one; Dilaudid)