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97CivicBoy · 12-06-2003, 06:34 PM

hookin up an automatic car..i kno ppl do that..i think its pointles...i myself have an automatic and all i have is a stereo...i think its pointless to hook one up performance wise...the exhaust just sounds dumb with an auto...ppl should just hook up their autos for looks...what do u guys think??

94_AcCoRd_EX · 12-06-2003, 06:47 PM

*yawn* Depends on the kind of car. Some autos are faster than manuals.

thermal · 12-06-2003, 06:58 PM

Daviso27 · 12-06-2003, 08:02 PM

I understand where you are coming from, but remember, true dragsters are 3 or 4 speed autos'.....I got an auto->w/performance mods...It is not the fastest car on the block, but me and her have been known for wupinsumass!

black95gs-t · 12-06-2003, 08:10 PM

When did the transmission start having anything to do with exhaust note? Anyway If you are big into bracket racing, auto's are the king. People hook up auto's because they are much more consistent. In a manual, human error can account for a big difference in times. In an auto, computer error is much, much, much smaller. Just my $0.02
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ebpda9 · 12-07-2003, 03:39 AM

well it's not pointless at all. i drive an automatic and i really like it. for a $500 upgrade in the tq converter you can spank manuals any day ( given you are going for a car with the same specs as yours)

12-07-2003, 03:20 PM

I have also seen some fast automatic imports. BUT I STILL PREFER A MANUAL

ebpda9 · 12-07-2003, 03:57 PM

yeah, manuals still rule, but i wouldn't rule out a car just because it is an automatic.

GT40FIED · 12-07-2003, 08:45 PM

What's the point of an automatic? Consistency, power handling, torque multiplication, ease of use, etc. Do you have any idea how much money I'd have to throw into a manual transmission to handle my my car's power level? Then I'd have to dump a shitload into a hardcore clutch and pray it held on. And as has already been pointed out, it's hard to mess up shifting an automatic...put it in drive and let the valve body and/or computer do the rest. If you're racing and you miss a gear it's over for you unless the cars are horribly mismatched as far as power goes. Manuals are great for medium power cars in the 350-450hp range (even then you need upgrades) especially if you wanna go SOLO, SOLO II, SCCA, etc. racing because you can choose your gears but with a manual valve body an automatic can do the same thing and handle more power. If you want a big power manual, expect to pay between $3K-$5K for a Jerico or the like and then you'll have noisy straight cut gears and dog gears which means you'll have to learn to double clutch on every shift (something that's entirely pointless with a stock synchro equipped transmission). As for exhaust note...I haven't the slightest clue what you mean by an automatic sounding different than a manual car. The only difference would be most people rev manuals higher than automatics before shifting...but that's a driver thing. Even then, if you stand on the loud pedal hard enough a good automatic will rev almost until redline. It's all about preference but if you still insist automatics are inferior then we'll line up see whose car is faster...my automatic or your manual.

12-07-2003, 08:53 PM

for a $500 upgrade in the tq converter you can spank manuals any day ( given you are going for a car with the same specs as yours)

k dude and your fairly new here, but if you didnt know, i have an automatic and i take a lot of offense to it when people dog my car cause of its tranny. First of all, if you turbo an automatic, or supercharge it like i did...there is no loss of boost, and no missed gears. I understand where your coming from because of the loss of hp throguh the drivetrain.....yea its only a loss if you dont do anything to the engine. :-\, put it this way, ive raced it over 30 times now, and i have only lost twice, once to a galant vr4 with a frank 4 turbo, and an eclipse gsx with nitrous.... what more do you want?

12-07-2003, 08:54 PM

oh and btw, i love gt40fied.

12-07-2003, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Daviso27
I understand where you are coming from, but remember, true dragsters are 3 or 4 speed autos'.....I got an auto->w/performance mods...It is not the fastest car on the block, but me and her have been known for wupinsumass!

not true, dragsters have a auto pump tranny, diff. from a normal, all they do is squeeze this little handle. it coo! ive been in an indy car, and its so weird in there....

ps.....i know a lot of you arent into this....im not really either, but i will be supporting ford and honda at the indy 500 this year! w00t!

GT40FIED · 12-07-2003, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Civickid0to60
oh and btw, i love gt40fied.

I appreciate that, but I like chicks. Let's just be friends man. Hehe.

ebpda9 · 12-07-2003, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Civickid0to60

k dude and your fairly new here, but if you didnt know, i have an automatic and i take a lot of offense to it when people dog my car cause of its tranny. First of all, if you turbo an automatic, or supercharge it like i did...there is no loss of boost, and no missed gears. I understand where your coming from because of the loss of hp throguh the drivetrain.....yea its only a loss if you dont do anything to the engine. :-\, put it this way, ive raced it over 30 times now, and i have only lost twice, once to a galant vr4 with a frank 4 turbo, and an eclipse gsx with nitrous.... what more do you want?

fairly ney my ass. look at the post count and then talk about it. i dunno why you are quoting me for saying the same thing you said in your post.

sohc_vtec 2NR · 12-07-2003, 09:25 PM

for HIGH-HP cars...auto would almost always be better... in terms of drag racing (no miss shift, nonexistent driver error, etc)

but if you want your car to be fun to drive then i personally prefer stick..driving stick is waaaaaay fun!

*ChrisCantSkate* · 12-08-2003, 08:04 AM

for a drag car... a domestic auto tranny thats built cant be beat. ive never seen a honda tranny built up and do better than the 5 spd equivalent. i know of a few people who've bought built prelude trannys from level10 and they still cant pull the same times as a 5spd. im guessing theres still too much power loss in the auto for a honda because they are pulling 2.2 and 2.1 60 fts, but just not good traps, and you'll never get those fun downshifts around corners that pin you up against your door around sharp turns. my 2 cents.

IALuder · 12-08-2003, 08:46 AM

well i drive an auto civic. i dont care if people hate me for it for doing some moding here and there.

But Guess What. Its A Personal Choice. so dont judge people who drive autos just becuase you dont like it. plus i can drive a stick shift. i do prefer manual. only becuase i like to rally and auto cross. manual is the only way to go for those types of racing. in my opinion.

12-08-2003, 09:00 PM

hondaman.....

i quoted u guess it didnt quote correctly.

second....he only has 121 posts. thought about it.....fairly new...look at ur posts, look at mine, compare......think about it.

97CivicBoy · 12-08-2003, 09:21 PM

yo i was jus askin...everybody chill here..i wasnt tryin to start ne problems here....

12-06-2003, 06:34 PM	#1
97CivicBoy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: nj Posts: 398	wats the point of.... hookin up an automatic car..i kno ppl do that..i think its pointles...i myself have an automatic and all i have is a stereo...i think its pointless to hook one up performance wise...the exhaust just sounds dumb with an auto...ppl should just hook up their autos for looks...what do u guys think??

12-06-2003, 06:47 PM	#2
94_AcCoRd_EX Insomniac Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OR Age: 43 Posts: 11,142	yawn Depends on the kind of car. Some autos are faster than manuals. __________________ 1994 Accord EX coupe --Need hosting for your pics on HST? PM me...--

12-06-2003, 06:58 PM	#3
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	^ __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

12-06-2003, 08:10 PM	#5
black95gs-t Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Southern Cali Age: 42 Posts: 728	When did the transmission start having anything to do with exhaust note? Anyway If you are big into bracket racing, auto's are the king. People hook up auto's because they are much more consistent. In a manual, human error can account for a big difference in times. In an auto, computer error is much, much, much smaller. Just my $0.02 J __________________ LOONEY TUNES!!!! "Hearts and minds gents.... And if that doesn't work, two in the heart and one in the mind." "Life sucks.....so drop your pants and let the good times roll!" Mycivicjust8u

12-07-2003, 03:39 AM	#6
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	well it's not pointless at all. i drive an automatic and i really like it. for a $500 upgrade in the tq converter you can spank manuals any day ( given you are going for a car with the same specs as yours) __________________

12-06-2003, 08:02 PM	#4
Daviso27 3rd Gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Age: 43 Posts: 426	I understand where you are coming from, but remember, true dragsters are 3 or 4 speed autos'.....I got an auto->w/performance mods...It is not the fastest car on the block, but me and her have been known for wupinsumass!

12-07-2003, 03:20 PM	#7
Anotherslo1 Posts: n/a	I have also seen some fast automatic imports. BUT I STILL PREFER A MANUAL

12-07-2003, 03:57 PM	#8
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	yeah, manuals still rule, but i wouldn't rule out a car just because it is an automatic. __________________

12-07-2003, 08:45 PM	#9
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 42 Posts: 7,451	What's the point of an automatic? Consistency, power handling, torque multiplication, ease of use, etc. Do you have any idea how much money I'd have to throw into a manual transmission to handle my my car's power level? Then I'd have to dump a shitload into a hardcore clutch and pray it held on. And as has already been pointed out, it's hard to mess up shifting an automatic...put it in drive and let the valve body and/or computer do the rest. If you're racing and you miss a gear it's over for you unless the cars are horribly mismatched as far as power goes. Manuals are great for medium power cars in the 350-450hp range (even then you need upgrades) especially if you wanna go SOLO, SOLO II, SCCA, etc. racing because you can choose your gears but with a manual valve body an automatic can do the same thing and handle more power. If you want a big power manual, expect to pay between $3K-$5K for a Jerico or the like and then you'll have noisy straight cut gears and dog gears which means you'll have to learn to double clutch on every shift (something that's entirely pointless with a stock synchro equipped transmission). As for exhaust note...I haven't the slightest clue what you mean by an automatic sounding different than a manual car. The only difference would be most people rev manuals higher than automatics before shifting...but that's a driver thing. Even then, if you stand on the loud pedal hard enough a good automatic will rev almost until redline. It's all about preference but if you still insist automatics are inferior then we'll line up see whose car is faster...my automatic or your manual. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

12-07-2003, 08:53 PM	#10
Civickid0to60 Posts: n/a	for a $500 upgrade in the tq converter you can spank manuals any day ( given you are going for a car with the same specs as yours) k dude and your fairly new here, but if you didnt know, i have an automatic and i take a lot of offense to it when people dog my car cause of its tranny. First of all, if you turbo an automatic, or supercharge it like i did...there is no loss of boost, and no missed gears. I understand where your coming from because of the loss of hp throguh the drivetrain.....yea its only a loss if you dont do anything to the engine. :-\, put it this way, ive raced it over 30 times now, and i have only lost twice, once to a galant vr4 with a frank 4 turbo, and an eclipse gsx with nitrous.... what more do you want?

12-07-2003, 08:54 PM	#11
Civickid0to60 Posts: n/a	oh and btw, i love gt40fied.

12-07-2003, 09:25 PM	#15
sohc_vtec 2NR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Kenosha, WI Age: 38 Posts: 1,137	for HIGH-HP cars...auto would almost always be better... in terms of drag racing (no miss shift, nonexistent driver error, etc) but if you want your car to be fun to drive then i personally prefer stick..driving stick is waaaaaay fun! __________________ RICE....is good

12-08-2003, 08:04 AM	#16
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	for a drag car... a domestic auto tranny thats built cant be beat. ive never seen a honda tranny built up and do better than the 5 spd equivalent. i know of a few people who've bought built prelude trannys from level10 and they still cant pull the same times as a 5spd. im guessing theres still too much power loss in the auto for a honda because they are pulling 2.2 and 2.1 60 fts, but just not good traps, and you'll never get those fun downshifts around corners that pin you up against your door around sharp turns. my 2 cents. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

12-08-2003, 08:46 AM	#17
IALuder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Des Moines IA Age: 38 Posts: 7,908	well i drive an auto civic. i dont care if people hate me for it for doing some moding here and there. But Guess What. Its A Personal Choice. so dont judge people who drive autos just becuase you dont like it. plus i can drive a stick shift. i do prefer manual. only becuase i like to rally and auto cross. manual is the only way to go for those types of racing. in my opinion. __________________ 93 Si H23vtec......soon to be 12lbs 95 Civic EX....automatic DD if you cant dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullshit.

12-08-2003, 09:00 PM	#18
Civickid0to60 Posts: n/a	hondaman..... i quoted u guess it didnt quote correctly. second....he only has 121 posts. thought about it.....fairly new...look at ur posts, look at mine, compare......think about it.

12-08-2003, 09:21 PM	#19
97CivicBoy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: nj Posts: 398	yo i was jus askin...everybody chill here..i wasnt tryin to start ne problems here....

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