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Old 04-25-2003, 11:47 PM   #1
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is 2pac dead or alive...

i was jus talkin to my frined about 2pac and that question came up..i've haerd so many different things...what do u guys think
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Old 04-26-2003, 12:20 AM   #2
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I don't know. Can't really say, and I won't start another argument. Alot of people think he's dead, and that's most probable case, since most conspiracies like this only happen in the movies. But the thing that makes me stop from fully calling him dead is the number of "unheard of songs" and cds came out after his death that where found in a "sock in his basement" or under " the seats of his old 89 CRX with an H22 motor". The places I jsut made up for the kicks off it, but the record companies excuses just sound bullshit to me.
So Im' stuck half way. For me he's in the twilight zone
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Old 04-26-2003, 12:50 AM   #3
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He is dead. There will always be disilusional people will always deny the truth in the face of overwelming evidence.
*and the same goes for Elvis and Biggie
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Old 04-26-2003, 09:39 AM   #4
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Old 04-26-2003, 09:47 AM   #5
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He is dead.
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Old 04-26-2003, 10:29 AM   #6
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He's still alive man...I saw him chillin' with Elvis and Biggie at the corner 7-11
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Old 04-26-2003, 10:32 AM   #7
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He's dead, what the hell kind of question is that? lol

Elvis killed him, I mean come on.. he had it out for him
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Old 04-26-2003, 11:58 AM   #8
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Old 04-26-2003, 02:42 PM   #9
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i think he is dead, he couldent have hidden for this long without being found out
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Old 04-26-2003, 02:44 PM   #10
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i think he is dead, he couldent have hidden for this long without being found out



elvis did just getting bored here lol
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Old 04-26-2003, 03:31 PM   #11
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does anyone really even care?

another overpayed person makin $ for the ability to rhyme like mother goose and have some 18 yearold zit faced white tech student sit at a computer and make music for him......thats not music
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Old 04-26-2003, 04:30 PM   #12
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yeh your prolly that geeky 18 year old i mean come on what the hell are u talkin about..some ppl on this forum are so arrogant..i guess cuz mommy and daddy buys u everythgin for ulil hondas...so u gotta be all arrogant and stuck up..i'm sick of this..alrite
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Old 04-26-2003, 05:38 PM   #13
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that "does anyone care" comment was ****in uncalled for.....
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Old 04-26-2003, 06:21 PM   #14
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does anyone really even care?

another overpayed person makin $ for the ability to rhyme like mother goose and have some 18 yearold zit faced white tech student sit at a computer and make music for him......thats not music


rhyme like mother goose? you must be out of ur mind...if anyone rhymes like mother goose is BENZINO...not Tupac..he is one the greatest lyricist who ever lived along with Biggie, Big L and Big Pun...
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Old 04-26-2003, 06:24 PM   #15
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No one deservers to die, except the obvious...*thinks about Iraq*

Tupac never did anything to you, that comment was uncalled for Sc0rch.. just because you didn't like his music doesn't mean he wasn't a person...
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Old 04-26-2003, 06:34 PM   #16
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Old 04-26-2003, 06:47 PM   #17
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Dude, don't be a dickhead.. he's a ****ing person... everyone should care.. you heartless ass
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Old 04-26-2003, 07:36 PM   #18
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WoW, some of the posts are so uncalled for! That includes the mom and dad statement. How does that fit into this convo at all?!?
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rhyme like mother goose? you must be out of ur mind...if anyone rhymes like mother goose is BENZINO...not Tupac..he is one the greatest lyricist who ever lived along with Biggie, Big L and Big Pun...

Who's Big L. I heard the line from 50's Patiently waiting song where Em says, "You take some big and some pac, mix em up on the spot and sprinkle a little bit of big L on the top and waht the **** do you got.."
Who is he? Underground?
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Old 04-27-2003, 09:06 AM   #19
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Big L died a while ago, guess you missed him :o but yes, check him out he's a great rapper.....and wtf is these joyless butt-plugs postin on here like 'oh who cares rap isnt music anyway'? jesus christ...
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Old 04-27-2003, 01:34 PM   #20
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the only talent in rap is the ability to rhyme on the spot...the rest is manufactured with computers.....if a 6 year old can get payed to rap then how hard can it be? my friend has been playing guitar since he was 5 and he hasnt gotten any cradit for it...he couldnt go out and get a contract for a record just cause he can play guitar......and i know plenty of people who are in bands or have been in bands who cant get any credit.......when a group of 6 year olds can get a contract for playing INSTRUMENTS i'll shit my pants....know why..cause that actually takes tallent.......and skill.....and lots and lots of practice.....

i get pissed when someone who actually has tallent gets no where because its so hard to get signed........but rappers pop up every day all day like 50 cent......woooooo he can rhyme.....who cares.......

another thing.........if you like someone say Tupac......you liked his 1st CD.....well theres a damn good chance that his 2nd cd is gonna be good to you too......cause they dont change......there is nothing much to change...........

then say i buy a cd from a band i like.......there 1st cd is good or bad.....there 2nd cd can go either way....theres no way of knowing what its gonna soundlike cause they can get better or worse.......i've never really herd someone say "man that 1st tupac cd was awesome but the 2nd one was kinda shitty".......


also people who blame shooting on the music people listen too is BS too..........more gang bangers kill people than ****in disturbed metal heads.......and if you can blame someones issues on there music then there is something wrong with you too........i've listende to "metal" for as long as i can remeber and i've only wanted to kill the people who have broken into my car.........


oh and FYI...mommy and daddy dont buy me shit....the only thing i got from them was an 85 civic that the timing belt snapped on doing 80 a week after i had it and i was 17 and had to pay to have it fixed myself tyvfm







oh btw........the comment about "who cares" was uncalled for and no one deserves to die........
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Old 04-27-2003, 04:57 PM   #21
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scorch.....your dumb ha.....how can you see bands don't....put out the same style of music on every album....rap albums do change...and some of tupac's albums weren't always the greatest...but i listen for the different beats and the messages tupac put out through his music.
Listen to your skid row and be happy....don't say your types of music is so much better....then these other genres...
It takes a lot of skill to do what tupac does...not only to write the words of his message that he put through in all of his songs...but to be a lyricist and rap as quickly as some do...the only thing computers are used for would prolly be...beats and melodies...but it's not like the artist doesn't have input on those....get over it....and quit being a 8====D head
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Old 04-27-2003, 08:13 PM   #22
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lmao skid row.....


bands DONT put out the same music on every album...they change either getting better or worse......as example...fear factory..went to sorta death metal to more of just metal..and used techno remixes.....Korn....changed completly....went from ok to horrible......Spineshank.......went from ok to damn good in 1 CD........so bands do change......rap doesnt.......if someone likes a rapper chances are that the next cd that comes out is gonna be the same






oh and Rap is manufacturd they are told what to write and say alot.........Example....

50cent.....i watched the inteview with him on mtv(see i like to know about people...i dont hate the people i just dont like the music) on the interview he said he doesnt go out much...doesnt like to go clubbin.........yet he has a song called in the club....talkin about him being in a club.....hmmmmmmm.......can we say manufactured.......
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Old 04-27-2003, 08:32 PM   #23
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lmao skid row.....


bands DONT put out the same music on every album...they change either getting better or worse......as example...fear factory..went to sorta death metal to more of just metal..and used techno remixes.....Korn....changed completly....went from ok to horrible......Spineshank.......went from ok to damn good in 1 CD........so bands do change......rap doesnt.......if someone likes a rapper chances are that the next cd that comes out is gonna be the same






oh and Rap is manufacturd they are told what to write and say alot.........Example....
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50cent.....i watched the inteview with him on mtv(see i like to know about people...i dont hate the people i just dont like the music) on the interview he said he doesnt go out much...doesnt like to go clubbin.........yet he has a song called in the club....talkin about him being in a club.....hmmmmmmm.......can we say manufactured.......


just because he said he doesnt like to go clubbing doesnt exactly mean that someone told him or made him make that song in the club...why the **** would u assume that because he doesnt like to go clubbing thatt he song was manufactured...b4 u start talkin' shyte get the facts str8...lemme know where u saw or heard that in the club was manufactured...and rap does change...umm for example Ja Rule...his first album was good stuff then he started getting into that R&B shyte with ashanti and vita which basically made him suck and now he's beefin' with 50 just to get some attention because he knows he sucks...YOUR telling me that rap is manufactured...so all of Biggie's songs were manufactured...he had no talent? he didnt make his own rhymes? u must be stupid
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Old 04-27-2003, 08:37 PM   #24
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theres more skill involved in makin a good rap song than there is behind a band makin some track....

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Old 04-27-2003, 09:39 PM   #25
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yeh your prolly that geeky 18 year old i mean come on what the hell are u talkin about..some ppl on this forum are so arrogant..i guess cuz mommy and daddy buys u everythgin for ulil hondas...so u gotta be all arrogant and stuck up..i'm sick of this..alrite


alright man you are starting to piss me off about saying mommy and daddy buy all your shit. Another thing just cause he said that, what brought on that his mom and dad bought his car So get that dick outta your ass and stop being mad just cause your parents bought your car
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Old 04-27-2003, 10:16 PM   #26
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theres more skill involved in makin a good rap song than there is behind a band makin some track....

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??? 1 person rapping is more tallent that 1 person playing rythm 1 person playing lead......1 person on bass and a drummer and a singer??

how is 1 person rhyming more tallent that people playing an instrument?
so what your saying is that Tupac had more tallent that say well....jimmy hendrix?
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Old 04-27-2003, 10:18 PM   #27
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just because he said he doesnt like to go clubbing doesnt exactly mean that someone told him or made him make that song in the club...why the **** would u assume that because he doesnt like to go clubbing thatt he song was manufactured




u must be stupid







Uh....if i didnt like hondas would i buy one? if i didnt like Dr pepper would i drink it? If i didnt like clubbin would i write a song about me being in the club?? uh no......and even if he did write that song himself.....i'm sure someone gave him the idea or said "lets appeal to a certain group of people with this song".......and no where did i say that ALL rap was manufactured........


so either you cant read or YOU must be stupid.....yo








oh....and as research my friend did for his broadcasting school(for the people that dont know what broadcasting school consists of it's skills for stuff like radio DJs,record producing and TV anchors and stuff)
Most rap and POP artists are told what to either write or song about......and 1/3 of the songs on a CD are written by someone else.....there is more than just that.......they are also told what to say in interviews and what to wear and how to act....since they are in the mainstream and on TV alot more than other people in music......so b4 you start trying to defend rap...you MIGHT wanna research it 1st instead of going on what you see on TV and hear on the radio......The record companies want people to buy the CDs and merchandise so they want to appeal to a certain genre of people....by dressing a certain way and acting a certain way.........

another example is Shaggy.....he talks more plain and average than me....but he sings like a rasta guy.....hmmmm.....wonder why?


oh and prime example of a manufactured person is Fred Durst..i know hes not rap.....but the record company wanted him to act a certain way so now hes a dick and his music is crap.......
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Old 04-27-2003, 10:43 PM   #28
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if anyone's a dick you are....quit being dumb....ja rule is prolly the biggest change in rap..and thats' exactly what tupac, biggie, 50 will never do.....they'll never go from the street to opop bubble gum rappin BS....your crazy...jimi hendrix and tupac are equally as talented in different genres....not every kid can play the guitar as good nor rap or rhyme as good as some of the top lyricists. maybe 50 cent doesn't go clubbin cause he don't wanna be shot everytime he's out....doesn't mean he doesnt go out...i saw the same interview and your makin it sound like he's some kosher guy that sits around and gets pumped with all these ideas. all music appeals to a certain audience thats why you like your thing and i like mine.....your tellin me every band changes....your nuts...every punk band puts out there shit about breakin up with girls....and every other band has there depression and anger songs along with breakups etc.....
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Old 04-28-2003, 12:13 AM   #29
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Bah, stop freaking analzying music. That's what's wrong with english class in school, they kill good books. Stop trying to say what's better and what's not. So I like rap and you like metal. Fine, listen to what suits you. I don't care if 50 is fake or not. I like his flow, I like how his rhymes flow through me. So I listen to it. You can go on and listen to your songs, I don't care man. Just please don't come to a post and start bashing what I like without having to hear back from me and the rest of the people that listen to the music.
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Old 04-28-2003, 04:34 AM   #30
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dont tell me youve never wanted to see how fired up people get when posting opinions......music discussions are about as bad as religious discussions......



i was just tryin to get peoples opinions outta them because if you realy ask for them they dont give you a good answer..now if you start bashing something people get pissed and start really getting into everything........


I dont think rap is hard to make.....BUUUUUUt.......

i have a couple rap CDs i've burnt.....soooo Ha.....i was gonna let this go a little longer but i decided to quit b4 people started really gettin pissed and not posting opinions just flaming.......

I still say music changes...mainly the stuff i listen too.....

ALOT of bands change....they usualy get better....and you can hear the difference......Korn...got worse......they completly changed there style......throughout the corse of the CDs they changed drastically.......

And not all bands are hate and killing.....Fear factory....was hate in there 1st CD.....kinda....but they tell a story with there CDs.......wich is pretty cool.............

Oh and just to clairify something PUNK is NOT that Blink 182 shit...........
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im gonna have to say a lot of the shiit gettin said here is good stuff. i think tupac is dead. rap is hard to make and 50 cent is defiantely not manufactured, ja rule sucks, Big L is the best rapper people dont know about, and listen to ILL Mitch
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yeh your prolly that geeky 18 year old i mean come on what the hell are u talkin about..some ppl on this forum are so arrogant..i guess cuz mommy and daddy buys u everythgin for ulil hondas...so u gotta be all arrogant and stuck up..i'm sick of this..alrite


I think that the points being argued in this thread are good ones as well. But in the above statement, "i guess cuz mommy and daddy buys u everythgin for ulil hondas...so u gotta be all arrogant and stuck up"...He/she said Hondas so is that directed to all of us?

If my parents were to just give me all the money that I've put into my Honda, I would have sold my Accord and then just pocketed the money and bought a way better car.
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Old 04-28-2003, 02:49 PM   #33
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scorch i totally agree and have the same understanding of how to get true opinions...i just can't admit that rap is manufactured my computers cause you can't sit here and make all your tracks...you can do a lot with computer/digital equipment makin melodies and everything but that takes skill in itself along with the rappin and the lyricism that we come upon when listening to this genre.
Blink 182 is prolly classified as punk even though punkheads don't want that....they'd rather have there less than jake and nofx....and....ataris.....but you can't through blink 182 in R&B

take care and hopefully noones been offended throughout this thread.......

and the mommy and daddy thread is oblivious to this thread has nothin to do at all bein mentioned here....*grow up*
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Old 04-28-2003, 03:12 PM   #34
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Uh....if i didnt like hondas would i buy one? if i didnt like Dr pepper would i drink it? If i didnt like clubbin would i write a song about me being in the club?? uh no......and even if he did write that song himself.....i'm sure someone gave him the idea or said "lets appeal to a certain group of people with this song".......and no where did i say that ALL rap was manufactured........


so either you cant read or YOU must be stupid.....yo

if YOU didnt like honda's u wouldn't buy one...If YOU didnt like Dr pepper u wouldnt drink it...If YOU didn't like to go clubbin u wouldnt write a song about it...Iv'e got big news for u guy...NOT EVERYONE is like you and in my opinion i dont think anyone would want to be like you..

on the page b4 this u wrote "oh and Rap is manufacturd they are told what to write and say alot......."....maybe you should go to skool with ur so called "friend" and learn how to get ur point across better then that way u could have stated that not ALL rap is manufactured cuz u made it seemed like thats wat u were trying to say...
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Old 04-28-2003, 06:40 PM   #36
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"All that rap is, is clicks and whistles"

I don't necessarily agree with that, but this thread made me think of the comment from the tv show Aqua Team Hunger Force or something like that.....
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:09 PM   #37
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diffrent music....diffrent ways of makeing it.....yea rock is harder to make...(in some cases) but rap can be hard too....... but how is everone going to compare such diffrent music..... rap is made the way it is made....same with rock..... compare diffrent music... duh you get diffrent resolts
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if YOU didnt like honda's u wouldn't buy one...If YOU didnt like Dr pepper u wouldnt drink it...If YOU didn't like to go clubbin u wouldnt write a song about it...Iv'e got big news for u guy...NOT EVERYONE is like you and in my opinion i dont think anyone would want to be like you..

on the page b4 this u wrote "oh and Rap is manufacturd they are told what to write and say alot......."....maybe you should go to skool with ur so called "friend" and learn how to get ur point across better then that way u could have stated that not ALL rap is manufactured cuz u made it seemed like thats wat u were trying to say...


lmao...calm down trigger..... no one wants to be like me....good.....that would just be weird.....someone runnin around acting and talkin and dressing like me......id kill um anyway

oh bty "friend" yeah i'm a loanly bastard with no friends and i think i'll go shoot myself now that you made me feel bad
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