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10-10-2002, 07:51 AM

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MANASSAS, Virginia (CNN) -- Authorities are investigating whether a fatal shooting Wednesday night at a gas station near Washington is connected to sniper shootings in the area that have claimed six lives.

A man was slain at 8:15 p.m. ET after he had finished pumping gas. Surveillance video showed him slumped between a gas pump and his car.

Police are looking for a white Dodge Caravan that was spotted leaving the scene. A similar vehicle was mentioned by witnesses at one of the earlier shootings.

"At this point we cannot say if this case is related to those other shootings," Prince William County Police Chief Charlie Deane said early Thursday.

Authorities are withholding the identity of the latest victim until his family has been notified.

"The victim was by himself," Deane said. "He's not a local person."

Investigators declined to say where the victim had been hit, or how many times he had been shot. "We don't know where the shot or shots came from," Deane said.

Jeff Hintosh, a 19-year-old waiter at a nearby Shoney's, said he and his co-workers heard a single shot and did not see a fleeing vehicle. All the sniper victims so far have been hit with a single shot.

Police were looking for an "Asian male" driving a black Honda who was pumping gas near the time of the shooting. Prince William County police spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Chinn called him a witness and made a public appeal for him to contact police.

Chinn asked witnesses to the shooting to call police at (703) 792-6500 or Crime Solvers at (800) 673-2777.

The Montgomery County, Maryland, Police Department, which is leading the sniper investigation, sent a team of investigators to the scene.

Manassas is a suburb of about 35,000 people, southwest of the nation's capital.

article found here
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/...obe/index.html

WOW

*ChrisCantSkate* · 10-10-2002, 07:55 AM

yeah i herd about it on the news.... freaky stuff

ebpda9 · 10-10-2002, 08:05 AM

what is this world comming to ?

10-10-2002, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by hondaman-iac
what is this world comming to ?

one big video game it seems

94_AcCoRd_EX · 10-10-2002, 02:13 PM

This whole thing is really crazy. I hope they catch those responsible before more people get shot.

DsBlu01CivEX · 10-10-2002, 05:08 PM

I don't live extremely far from where all this is going down. And there is at least one other person on HS that actually lives in the county where most/all of these shootings have taken place. It's scary and completely messed up. My thing with all this though is the fact that most of these shootings are taking place in broad day light in VERY public places. You mean to tell me that nobody saw anything suspicious at all??? I know for most of the shootings that they are occuring from like 500 feet away...but damn people. These killings/shootings just prove to me even more that we are extremely unobservant. We have no clue for the most part what is going on around us until after it happens. We all need to take the time to be aware of our surroundings. By no means do I think this "sniper" is right in the head and definitely needs to be brought to justice, but we all should also learn from this mad person to be more aware of our surroundings.

slowEJ6 · 10-11-2002, 12:46 AM

this is a sad world we live in......and what that guy said is true, do0d is a fawkin coward. hes destroyed peoples lives, and im sure others will try and mimic what is going on in other parts of the country.....its disgusting that things are like this nowadays - maybe bush should stop jerking off overseas and pay more attention to the bullshit going on here.

DsBlu01CivEX · 10-11-2002, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by hybrid3do0rcx
its disgusting that things are like this nowadays - maybe bush should stop jerking off overseas and pay more attention to the bullshit going on here.

agreed

The reason bush is "jerking off" overseas though is because our previous presidents couldn't keep their mits off foreign countries, thought they'd play big brother and help them out and now it has us in a world of trouble and chaos.

10-11-2002, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by DsBlu01CivEX
agreed

The reason bush is "jerking off" overseas though is because our previous presidents couldn't keep their mits off foreign countries, thought they'd play big brother and help them out and now it has us in a world of trouble and chaos.

If you guys took the guns out of the hands of citizens you might find that you have a lot less shootings. Seems logical to me, why not give it a try? Guns kill people like few other items on earth, and you hand them over to ANYONE with out a record... oh boi!

Call me stupid, Call me Canadian, but dont every say i can't connect the dots.

10-12-2002, 04:02 PM

This is some crazy shit. As someone else mentioned in their post, I hope this isn't a springboard for a bunch of copy cat crimes throughout the nation - particularly with all the press this has been getting.

That's just what we'd need...

10-12-2002, 06:26 PM

yo, that shooting in manassas, va was less than a mile down the road from my house! i used to live in fredericksburg, va (moved up to manassas in july) and i know that everyone in both areas are in shock. the shootings are takin place in public places in the daytime, but the killer or killers must really know the area well and is commiting murder near interstates for quick escapes. what does someone look for when someone snipes someone down 100 yards away? however, the public is going to have to catch this guy tryin to flee the scene. i think that its al-queda related! regardless i refuse to live my life in fear and i will not change the way i do my thing.

ebpda9 · 10-12-2002, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by mt.biker
If you guys took the guns out of the hands of citizens you might find that you have a lot less shootings. Seems logical to me, why not give it a try? Guns kill people like few other items on earth, and you hand them over to ANYONE with out a record... oh boi!

Call me stupid, Call me Canadian, but dont every say i can't connect the dots.

uhh not entirely true. there are always idiots like McVeight (sp???) Oklahoma City ? he was pissed off because clinton proposed a bill or something to ban the guns. Also getting the guns out of citizens will violate the Constitution (unless they modify it).

V8killimports · 10-12-2002, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by DsBlu01CivEX
agreed

The reason bush is "jerking off" overseas though is because our previous presidents couldn't keep their mits off foreign countries, thought they'd play big brother and help them out and now it has us in a world of trouble and chaos.

No.. let me make this clear.. why is iraq a threat? Ok we can talk all day about we are doing this for oil yadda yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter is, if iraq finishes a nuclear weapon the U.S. is in big trouble. He would use it against israel the day he finished one, and would gladly give some to terrorists who hate the U.S. This sniper thing is really sad, but I think a nuclear weapon going off in New York may top that.

drdingo21 · 10-12-2002, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by mt.biker
If you guys took the guns out of the hands of citizens you might find that you have a lot less shootings. Seems logical to me, why not give it a try? Guns kill people like few other items on earth, and you hand them over to ANYONE with out a record... oh boi!

Call me stupid, Call me Canadian, but dont every say i can't connect the dots.

plus its our Constatuntiol right to bear arms. what if someone brakes into your home at night and starts to attack/rape your girlfriend or wife? or attacks your kids. I personaly only have one gun and it was .22 that my dad gave me and ive shot it maybe twice. thats the only scinaro i could think of off the top of my head, and thats why americans are allowed to bear arms. freedom

V8killimports · 10-12-2002, 10:00 PM

Gun control is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. Almost all violent criminals get their weapons on the black market anyways. So the only thing different is they would have guns, but honest people wouldn't. How brilliant.

10-12-2002, 11:44 PM

this is going to be really harsh.. but F*UCK IT

Get your heads out of your ass! Notice how this stuff never happens in Canada, might it be because we dont have easy access to guns?
*sarcasim* What ever do you mean? says the Americian.

If its simply a consitutional thing i dont think your government will have any issue changing it as they've done it many times.

to the people who think they need to have guns to be safe, your just a bunch of morons and I have nothing to say to you.

Up here in Canada (that place up north) if you live in the city there is no way you can get a gun. If you live out on a farm or what not there is very strict regulations about guns and usage. If you truly care about your safety you will look past a constitutional right that was written in a time when you "needed" to protect yourself from the nation you were fighting to keep apart from. This is not that time, laws/regulations need to change with time.

That is my 2cents on this topic, if you dont like my views go shoot someone, as for me i sleep safe at night knowing that i wont be shot at, bombed or threatened by other nations.

Gotta love Canada and all the wonderful things we have that most of you Americans still can't apreciate yet. In time you will see the light, until then suck it up, you support violence so DEAL WITH IT!

drdingo21 · 10-12-2002, 11:51 PM

is doens't bother you that your counrty is weak? whats the population of canada? im sure that has something to do with it also not to metion there is nothing in canda that is worth wile.

94_AcCoRd_EX · 10-13-2002, 12:04 AM

Biker, usually I agree with you, but not this time. I don't care if you think I'm a moron, I'm still going to state my opinion. Gun control is not the answer. If the government took away our right to have guns, only the criminals would have the weapons. Do you mean to tell me that criminals in Canadian cities don't have weapons? I don't think so Rob. The fact that we have the Constitutional right to bear arms DOES NOT mean that we support violence. I could go on and on about this, but I think you get my point.

ebpda9 · 10-13-2002, 12:11 AM

i don't know too much about canada but here is like media rules everything. they tend to make a big deal out of everything. everybody wants his 15 minutes of fame. remeber 98 ? school shootings were the "cool" thing to do. this summer: the child abductions. guess what this year was the lowest number of child abductions since 97-98. media made a big thing out of it,. even thou there were like 10 a abductions less than the previous years.

and gun control in canada: didn't your friend had his car stolen an gun point ?

drdingo21 · 10-13-2002, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by hondaman-iac

and gun control in canada: didn't your friend had his car stolen an gun point ?

LOL

V8killimports · 10-13-2002, 01:23 AM

I still can't believe people think gun control would work.. I don't own guns, but for god's sake. Mt. Biker you need to think sometimes before saying anything. Drugs are illegal here. So theoretically nobody should have them right? Like I said before, if there are gun control laws, criminals will still have the same type/number of weapons they have now. The only difference is that we won't have any. And I suggest you don't compare Canada to the U.S. You are just opening yourself up there.

10-13-2002, 12:39 PM

ok as usual you people dont dont see what i'm getting at.

Yes, my friend was robbed at gun point. It turned out when they were arrested that the guns were props from a movie shoot. But getting a gun is 100 times harder here in Canada then it is in the USA, and you still say that has nothing to do with it. If you dont think it does play a role then your as stupid as can be and this conversation is over. I wont engage in a battle of the minds with a retard.Until you educate yourselves on my country and where we stand i wont engage in a "my country is better" conversation.

Do some more research on Canada before you start bashing what we have and dont have. Americans who think they are all high and mighting because they have the largest military should take a lesson in humbleness.

94_AcCoRd_EX · 10-13-2002, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by mt.biker
ok as usual you people dont dont see what i'm getting at.

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Do some more research on Canada before you start bashing what we have and dont have. Americans who think they are all high and mighting because they have the largest military should take a lesson in humbleness.

Hey Rob, just so you know, I was strictly talking gun control, not bashing Canada. I really like it up there.

10-13-2002, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
Hey Rob, just so you know, I was strictly talking gun control, not bashing Canada. I really like it up there.

i know dude i wasn't talking to you on this one, but i was talking to the other dude.

drdingo21 · 10-13-2002, 02:33 PM

you tell us to learn about your country but you say we support violence? then you say "Gotta love Canada and all the wonderful things we have that most of you Americans still can't apreciate yet" whats so great about it? There is nothing in the country, and it is cold. Not to metion there is like 1/3 of the popualtion in canada.

VR4_Craver · 10-13-2002, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by mt.biker

to the people who think they need to have guns to be safe, your just a bunch of morons and I have nothing to say to you.

So what you are saying that you dont care what happenes as long as it dont affect you? Would you feel that way and that we have absolutely no bussiness over sees fighting a war that was started by someone else if YOUR family or friends died in the opening actions of this "war on terrorism"??

10-13-2002, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by VR4_Craver
So what you are saying that you dont care what happenes as long as it dont affect you? Would you feel that way and that we have absolutely no bussiness over sees fighting a war that was started by someone else if YOUR family or friends died in the opening actions of this "war on terrorism"??

a majority of the battles your country has gotten into haven't been started by an attack on American soil. The war on terrorism is anothering thing. BUt what your country has done very well is hind the fact that 30 years ago they started this middle east problem by CIA agents funding a war against the USSR by backing Afganistan.

Trying to tell me Canada doesn't care about whats going on in the world means you must not know that we have the largest peace keeping force currently deploid (sp?)
"Canada is a nation bent on peace keeping not policing"
USA
wars entered without attack on american soil
-Canada vs USA (you lost and we sent you packing btw, we also burned your white house)
-bay of pigs (you got owned in this one)
- WW1
- Korean war
- Veitnam (why did you even do this, you just kept going with no goal in mind)
-Afgan vs USSR (you privately backed the afgan's who now attack your major cities, and you wonder why they got pissed when you turned your back on them after they fought USSR for you)
- Desert storm (done for oil)

wars entered with attack on American soil
-Terroism war
-WWII (but you didn't enter when the world needed you, you waited until japan kill a few 1000 Americans)

Canada

Wars entered with attack
Canada vs USA

wars entered without attack
-WWI (Britian asked for our help)
-WWII (Britain again asked for our help, and by the end of the war we had the LARGEST army in the world)
-Korean war (i could be wrong on this one)

When Canada needs to be powerful we always have been. Just because we dont go flexing our military forces around the world for oil doesn't mean we're weak. Maybe you should look into where your Amry has been going for the last 25 years to train with some of the latest technology in the world, yes thats right... CANADA.

Its amazing what your country has been able to do to its citizen. For the most part you guys think everything you do is the best, strangly enough it seems as though you just do it bigger then everyone else.

Side note: The last time the USA declared war on a nation was WWII when you went to war with Japan and the axis nations. Since then you have just out right attacked nations, similar to how bullies fight in the play ground. Someone bugs you, you gather all your strength mustered up and go beat the shi*t out of them and then expect them to like you afterwards. I wonder why people dont like Americans?
BTW I personally have gotten along with every American i've meet one on one. Though i think as a society you have some major issues to deal with. One on One your just like us but louder and ignorate.

i will mention this is all off the top of my head, there might be some stuf missing

*ChrisCantSkate* · 10-13-2002, 10:13 PM

ok gun control would work if one thing could happen. and that would be get all the guns off the streets. since it wont, the 7-11 guys need a shotgun for protection, you might need a glock under your seat if someone trys to attack you, im sorry biker, i would agree with you that if we had gun control from the begining, but america is f*cked up. we shoot our own people for $100 and lottery tickets, or in this case just for the hell of it. it is a law that we cannot start now because there are just too many weapons on the streets. and i'd say 90% of weapons used for planned violent crimes are blackmarket guns anyways, so gun control wouldnt help that.

10-13-2002, 11:34 PM

Oh boy...I'm staying out of this one. I'd get flamed again.

DsBlu01CivEX · 10-14-2002, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by mt.biker
wars entered without attack on american soil
-Canada vs USA (you lost and we sent you packing btw, we also burned your white house)
-bay of pigs (you got owned in this one)
- WW1
- Korean war
- Veitnam (why did you even do this, you just kept going with no goal in mind)
-Afgan vs USSR (you privately backed the afgan's who now attack your major cities, and you wonder why they got pissed when you turned your back on them after they fought USSR for you)
- Desert storm (done for oil)

wars entered with attack on American soil
-Terroism war
-WWII (but you didn't enter when the world needed you, you waited until japan kill a few 1000 Americans)

Rob you know I luv ya and all...and I typically agree with you on what you have to say....but you struck a nerve here with me, and I'm willing to be late to work to throw in my 2 cents. The US has declared war 5 times in our history as a nation....the Mexican War, War of 1812, French and Indian War and both World Wars. The reason why we didn't enter the 2nd WW was because we were trying to remain neutral...similar to Canada being the typical peace keeping country outside of Switzerland (you didn't see them gettin any shit for wanting to be neutral in the world wars). And as for your war "Canada vs US"...Canadians weren't fighting that war....the British were....the British owned us (like normal in our early history). Does everyone feel the same way about Great Britian as they do about America? Because at one point Britian and France were the world powers.
The Bay of Pigs we didn't actually fight in. It was a group of Cuban exiles that we trained to "invade" Cuba at the Bay of Pigs and the only reason why it didn't work was because Castro was given a heads up and was ready for the attack. And the other reason why we trained them was a lil thing called the Monroe Doctrine...which basically states that the Eastern Hemisphere better stay the hell out of the Western Hemisphere or you're gonna have the US on your ass cuz no other country in the Western Hemisphere would step up to keep Europe out...so that left the US, a budding nation and one that was trying to develop a stand in the World...which by doing this pushed us to becoming a world power. Whether we wanted that position or not is not the topic. The other thing that strikes me as funny is the fact that you didn't bring up Guatemala but you brought up the Bay of Pigs. What you say...what does Guatemala have to do with anything??? A lot....The US did the exact same thing when Guatemala was fighting for independence as they did in the Bay of Pigs. And that worked...but NO ONE ever talks about that because it was a success.

The thing is, the US does what it feels necessary at the time to protect the best interest of the country and this hemisphere. When we were aiding Afghanistan, we did so because there was a Cold War, and our country was supporting Democracy and trying to stop the spread of Communism. It was the era....everyone compares these wars/battles/attacks to the present day. You have to remember that the mind thought and beliefs were COMPLETELY different 20 some yrs ago. You can't compare using present day thinking...and thats what Al-queda (?) is doing now.

Sorry about the rant...but there are so many fuzzy details about history and everyone tries to use present day thinking to justify something that has happened in the past and you just can't do that.

10-14-2002, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by 4thGenlude
ok gun control would work if one thing could happen. and that would be get all the guns off the streets. since it wont, the 7-11 guys need a shotgun for protection, you might need a glock under your seat if someone trys to attack you, im sorry biker, i would agree with you that if we had gun control from the begining, but america is f*cked up. we shoot our own people for $100 and lottery tickets, or in this case just for the hell of it. it is a law that we cannot start now because there are just too many weapons on the streets. and i'd say 90% of weapons used for planned violent crimes are blackmarket guns anyways, so gun control wouldnt help that.

thats really to bad then.

i guess ive started a bit of a fight once again, so this time i'm stepping down from this fight so we dont get out of hand. Sorry for all the trouble i've caused.

*ChrisCantSkate* · 10-14-2002, 09:36 AM

im not mad at all at anyone, you cant live in a different contry and know everything about it. america has done alot of trial and error, and although i dont agree with everything our government does, they know alot more about whats going on than we do, so to yell at them for something we are 1/2 informed about will just make us damn ignorant

4jacks · 10-14-2002, 02:33 PM

This all sounds too familiar,

But seriously , the man shot had a family with six children, this is not the time to bicker over politics. My prayers go out to his family.

DsBlu01CivEX · 10-14-2002, 07:51 PM

Yah Rob...I wasn't tryin to pick a fight or anything...and I'm not even going to get on the topic of gun control cuz frankly I'm not interested in it at all....If i want to know about what is going on with it I'll do the research but I don't. It took me forever (and I seriously do mean forever) to understand the bumper stickers I see that say "Charlton Heston is my President". I had no clue until I heard on a TV show that he is the pres of the NRA....then it all came together.

I just couldn't sit and not say anything in response to the "war" post you made. That is something I have a fairly decent amount of knowledge in from minoring in history and having 3 American history course this semester. It sucks...I just can't pass up a debate :o

I wish I could!!! It would make things soooo much easier. I still luv ya though

Side note: Holy sh!t was that 4jacks that posted????? Haven't seen him around forever! Wonder if he's gonna be back more often?

drdingo21 · 10-14-2002, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by DsBlu01CivEX
It took me forever (and I seriously do mean forever) to understand the bumper stickers I see that say "Charlton Heston is my President". I had no clue until I heard on a TV show that he is the pres of the NRA....then it all came together.

holy hell is that what that means? i seriously never knew that either

DsBlu01CivEX · 10-14-2002, 08:30 PM

YAY someone that took longer than me to figure it out....and I figured it out on my on devices...

10-15-2002, 06:10 PM

I do believe that Canada has its good sides and bad sides as well as the United States. It's going to be one of those issues that's always going to have an ongoing debate. Honestly, I think that if someone's determined to do something like this Beltway Sniper has done, they are going to do it. If someone wants something (a gun in this case), they can find it; wherever they are in the world, basically.

I work in Manassas and I was getting gas at the local Mobile less than a mile away from the gas station that man was shot at an hour before he got shot. And last night, I was in Annandale, at my friend's house, which is about 5-6 miles from where that lady got shot at Home Depot. I live in Fairfax County and every time I step out of my car I look around hoping the sniper's not looking at me. It's freaky and this ish needs to stop. It's not cool to be unsafe around your own home. Makes me realize more how people in other countries have to deal with this every day of their lives living in fear.

10-10-2002, 07:55 AM	#2
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 41 Posts: 9,662	yeah i herd about it on the news.... freaky stuff __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

10-10-2002, 08:05 AM	#3
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	what is this world comming to ? __________________

10-10-2002, 02:13 PM	#5
94_AcCoRd_EX Insomniac Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OR Age: 44 Posts: 11,142	This whole thing is really crazy. I hope they catch those responsible before more people get shot. __________________ 1994 Accord EX coupe --Need hosting for your pics on HST? PM me...--

10-10-2002, 05:08 PM	#6
DsBlu01CivEX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: York Age: 44 Posts: 2,542	I don't live extremely far from where all this is going down. And there is at least one other person on HS that actually lives in the county where most/all of these shootings have taken place. It's scary and completely messed up. My thing with all this though is the fact that most of these shootings are taking place in broad day light in VERY public places. You mean to tell me that nobody saw anything suspicious at all??? I know for most of the shootings that they are occuring from like 500 feet away...but damn people. These killings/shootings just prove to me even more that we are extremely unobservant. We have no clue for the most part what is going on around us until after it happens. We all need to take the time to be aware of our surroundings. By no means do I think this "sniper" is right in the head and definitely needs to be brought to justice, but we all should also learn from this mad person to be more aware of our surroundings. __________________ "Oh, I have a goal. And it's to have no goals at all." http://www.myspace.com/kenike

10-13-2002, 12:04 AM	#18
94_AcCoRd_EX Insomniac Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OR Age: 44 Posts: 11,142	Biker, usually I agree with you, but not this time. I don't care if you think I'm a moron, I'm still going to state my opinion. Gun control is not the answer. If the government took away our right to have guns, only the criminals would have the weapons. Do you mean to tell me that criminals in Canadian cities don't have weapons? I don't think so Rob. The fact that we have the Constitutional right to bear arms DOES NOT mean that we support violence. I could go on and on about this, but I think you get my point. __________________ 1994 Accord EX coupe --Need hosting for your pics on HST? PM me...--

10-11-2002, 12:46 AM	#7
slowEJ6 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Oviedo, FL Age: 43 Posts: 3,195	this is a sad world we live in......and what that guy said is true, do0d is a fawkin coward. hes destroyed peoples lives, and im sure others will try and mimic what is going on in other parts of the country.....its disgusting that things are like this nowadays - maybe bush should stop jerking off overseas and pay more attention to the bullshit going on here.

10-12-2002, 04:02 PM	#10
Gator Posts: n/a	This is some crazy shit. As someone else mentioned in their post, I hope this isn't a springboard for a bunch of copy cat crimes throughout the nation - particularly with all the press this has been getting. That's just what we'd need...

10-12-2002, 06:26 PM	#11
Lncl23 Posts: n/a	yo, that shooting in manassas, va was less than a mile down the road from my house! i used to live in fredericksburg, va (moved up to manassas in july) and i know that everyone in both areas are in shock. the shootings are takin place in public places in the daytime, but the killer or killers must really know the area well and is commiting murder near interstates for quick escapes. what does someone look for when someone snipes someone down 100 yards away? however, the public is going to have to catch this guy tryin to flee the scene. i think that its al-queda related! regardless i refuse to live my life in fear and i will not change the way i do my thing.

10-12-2002, 10:00 PM	#15
V8killimports Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Beale AFB, CA Posts: 1,377	Gun control is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. Almost all violent criminals get their weapons on the black market anyways. So the only thing different is they would have guns, but honest people wouldn't. How brilliant.

10-12-2002, 11:44 PM	#16
mt.biker Posts: n/a	this is going to be really harsh.. but FUCK IT Get your heads out of your ass! Notice how this stuff never happens in Canada, might it be because we dont have easy access to guns? sarcasim* What ever do you mean? says the Americian. If its simply a consitutional thing i dont think your government will have any issue changing it as they've done it many times. to the people who think they need to have guns to be safe, your just a bunch of morons and I have nothing to say to you. Up here in Canada (that place up north) if you live in the city there is no way you can get a gun. If you live out on a farm or what not there is very strict regulations about guns and usage. If you truly care about your safety you will look past a constitutional right that was written in a time when you "needed" to protect yourself from the nation you were fighting to keep apart from. This is not that time, laws/regulations need to change with time. That is my 2cents on this topic, if you dont like my views go shoot someone, as for me i sleep safe at night knowing that i wont be shot at, bombed or threatened by other nations. Gotta love Canada and all the wonderful things we have that most of you Americans still can't apreciate yet. In time you will see the light, until then suck it up, you support violence so DEAL WITH IT!

10-12-2002, 11:51 PM	#17
drdingo21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Elkhart, IN Age: 42 Posts: 1,642	is doens't bother you that your counrty is weak? whats the population of canada? im sure that has something to do with it also not to metion there is nothing in canda that is worth wile.

10-13-2002, 12:11 AM	#19
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	i don't know too much about canada but here is like media rules everything. they tend to make a big deal out of everything. everybody wants his 15 minutes of fame. remeber 98 ? school shootings were the "cool" thing to do. this summer: the child abductions. guess what this year was the lowest number of child abductions since 97-98. media made a big thing out of it,. even thou there were like 10 a abductions less than the previous years. and gun control in canada: didn't your friend had his car stolen an gun point ? __________________

10-13-2002, 01:23 AM	#21
V8killimports Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Beale AFB, CA Posts: 1,377	I still can't believe people think gun control would work.. I don't own guns, but for god's sake. Mt. Biker you need to think sometimes before saying anything. Drugs are illegal here. So theoretically nobody should have them right? Like I said before, if there are gun control laws, criminals will still have the same type/number of weapons they have now. The only difference is that we won't have any. And I suggest you don't compare Canada to the U.S. You are just opening yourself up there.

10-13-2002, 12:39 PM	#22
mt.biker Posts: n/a	ok as usual you people dont dont see what i'm getting at. Yes, my friend was robbed at gun point. It turned out when they were arrested that the guns were props from a movie shoot. But getting a gun is 100 times harder here in Canada then it is in the USA, and you still say that has nothing to do with it. If you dont think it does play a role then your as stupid as can be and this conversation is over. I wont engage in a battle of the minds with a retard.Until you educate yourselves on my country and where we stand i wont engage in a "my country is better" conversation. Do some more research on Canada before you start bashing what we have and dont have. Americans who think they are all high and mighting because they have the largest military should take a lesson in humbleness.

10-13-2002, 02:33 PM	#25
drdingo21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Elkhart, IN Age: 42 Posts: 1,642	you tell us to learn about your country but you say we support violence? then you say "Gotta love Canada and all the wonderful things we have that most of you Americans still can't apreciate yet" whats so great about it? There is nothing in the country, and it is cold. Not to metion there is like 1/3 of the popualtion in canada.

10-13-2002, 10:13 PM	#28
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 41 Posts: 9,662	ok gun control would work if one thing could happen. and that would be get all the guns off the streets. since it wont, the 7-11 guys need a shotgun for protection, you might need a glock under your seat if someone trys to attack you, im sorry biker, i would agree with you that if we had gun control from the begining, but america is f*cked up. we shoot our own people for $100 and lottery tickets, or in this case just for the hell of it. it is a law that we cannot start now because there are just too many weapons on the streets. and i'd say 90% of weapons used for planned violent crimes are blackmarket guns anyways, so gun control wouldnt help that. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

10-13-2002, 11:34 PM	#29
juvenile Posts: n/a	Oh boy...I'm staying out of this one. I'd get flamed again.

10-14-2002, 09:36 AM	#32
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 41 Posts: 9,662	im not mad at all at anyone, you cant live in a different contry and know everything about it. america has done alot of trial and error, and although i dont agree with everything our government does, they know alot more about whats going on than we do, so to yell at them for something we are 1/2 informed about will just make us damn ignorant __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

10-14-2002, 02:33 PM	#33
4jacks Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, Maryland Age: 46 Posts: 1,129	This all sounds too familiar, But seriously , the man shot had a family with six children, this is not the time to bicker over politics. My prayers go out to his family. __________________ Patrick 4jacks 4jacks@gmail.com Happy Honda'ing

10-14-2002, 07:51 PM	#34
DsBlu01CivEX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: York Age: 44 Posts: 2,542	Yah Rob...I wasn't tryin to pick a fight or anything...and I'm not even going to get on the topic of gun control cuz frankly I'm not interested in it at all....If i want to know about what is going on with it I'll do the research but I don't. It took me forever (and I seriously do mean forever) to understand the bumper stickers I see that say "Charlton Heston is my President". I had no clue until I heard on a TV show that he is the pres of the NRA....then it all came together. I just couldn't sit and not say anything in response to the "war" post you made. That is something I have a fairly decent amount of knowledge in from minoring in history and having 3 American history course this semester. It sucks...I just can't pass up a debate :o I wish I could!!! It would make things soooo much easier. I still luv ya though Side note: Holy sh!t was that 4jacks that posted????? Haven't seen him around forever! Wonder if he's gonna be back more often? __________________ "Oh, I have a goal. And it's to have no goals at all." http://www.myspace.com/kenike

10-14-2002, 08:30 PM	#36
DsBlu01CivEX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: York Age: 44 Posts: 2,542	YAY someone that took longer than me to figure it out....and I figured it out on my on devices... __________________ "Oh, I have a goal. And it's to have no goals at all." http://www.myspace.com/kenike

10-15-2002, 06:10 PM	#37
cstrom80 Posts: n/a	I do believe that Canada has its good sides and bad sides as well as the United States. It's going to be one of those issues that's always going to have an ongoing debate. Honestly, I think that if someone's determined to do something like this Beltway Sniper has done, they are going to do it. If someone wants something (a gun in this case), they can find it; wherever they are in the world, basically. I work in Manassas and I was getting gas at the local Mobile less than a mile away from the gas station that man was shot at an hour before he got shot. And last night, I was in Annandale, at my friend's house, which is about 5-6 miles from where that lady got shot at Home Depot. I live in Fairfax County and every time I step out of my car I look around hoping the sniper's not looking at me. It's freaky and this ish needs to stop. It's not cool to be unsafe around your own home. Makes me realize more how people in other countries have to deal with this every day of their lives living in fear.

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