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09-03-2001, 12:23 AM
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Those D16 With Turbos..
How fast do those usually go? As in HP..
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09-03-2001, 12:44 AM
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well, depending on the boost level. my car is not dynoed yet. a 40-50HP gain is expected on 5.5 psi boost on the GReddy kit. the problem is, the safest recommended maximum boost on d16 with STOCK internals is 8 psi. over it will be risky.......i know a guy who ran 14 psi on stock internals. it lasted a year and the car was being raced on the track almost constantly. it ran low 12's. i do NOT recommend above 8 tho.....
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09-03-2001, 12:53 AM
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Hey! U didnt say Hp!
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09-03-2001, 12:58 AM
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09-03-2001, 02:09 AM
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Ohhh Hehe.. SOrry.. So Around 200 Hp only :( Youll be better off with a swap huh
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09-03-2001, 02:29 AM
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i'm all good for now. the engine is fairly new so i disregarded swap. if my engine blows up, i'll get me a b18 or b20z swap. yeah, i like torque monsters....
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09-03-2001, 04:25 AM
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I BELIEVE THAT A D16 TURBOED WILL HANG OR EVEN BEAT A CIVIC WITH AN ENGINE SWAP. dEPENDING ON THE MOTOR THAT IS BEING SWAPPED.
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09-03-2001, 09:58 AM
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me to G.....
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09-03-2001, 04:25 PM
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You can get up to 225 with a good turbo and the bottom end built. Forget the swap, represent SOHC power, YEah
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09-03-2001, 05:18 PM
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sohc power
Soon as i get some money saved up my sohc is getting bored, stroked, and sleeved out to 1.8 liters. And then comes the turbo
This engine is also a d15b |
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09-03-2001, 05:45 PM
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I was thinking of getting new pistons, rods, block guards and etc. etc. But yesterday i was going through jg's website and they sell a complete jg block for $1900 and they claim that that bottom end is good up to 30 lbs of boost. SHit. I think im gonna get me one of these. ALso the block is blueprinted too with resleepved and new pistons, rods and more. WHat ya guys thinK??
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09-03-2001, 06:49 PM
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09-03-2001, 08:22 PM
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Yes thats true, But i was thinking with the money for turbo, Is about the same for a B16A Engine.. You will be way more better off with the B16A Engine due to the fact its much beefier and easier to make go fast am i correct?
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09-03-2001, 08:42 PM
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Actually i went to vegas about a month ago and they jacked my ass. Shit. FU$k Vegas. hahhahaa juss kidding I love Vegas. GIrls are beautiful, cluBs are PopPin and THe CarDS TabLEs are ALways OpEn. AND i lOVe smokin in restaurants after a good meal. hahahahaha. Quote:
Well it all depends on how u look at the situation VN TEC. I don't know how much you can get the B16's for but i got my kit and greddy turbotimer and type s blowoff for $1550. Neways say you do get the b16 and mod it with CAI, Exhaust, and Headers which will cost you around say $700 dollars + the cost of the motor. I will still beat you. So the fact is that you will have to do spend more money to beat me. And yes you are correct about the b16 being beefy. If you turbo your b16 you'll probably smoke my ass with my current setup. And people say there are issues of maintainin a turbo motor is a bitch but i have found that there really isn't much more than i have before. So look at all the options and make your decision wisely. Having a DOHC is DOPE But having a TUrboed SOHC that HISses WHen you change gears that can Also Beat DOHC's is The SHIT. |
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09-04-2001, 05:34 PM
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i'm not here to "dog" the b16's. for all i care, that is the most powerful 1.6L DOHC in the world!!!!
the disappointment came to play with the torque spec. obviously, it can be worked with....with $$$$ ofcourse . and do NOT get me wrong, i would've have bought me a 99 Si, if i only knew what i was getting into by buying myself a HONDA. i just think that if i ever go for a swap, i'll be picking a power plant with decent torque.....and my choice is the B20Z VTEC conversion or not. |
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09-04-2001, 05:58 PM
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Got me there :-/
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09-05-2001, 03:13 AM
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Hey Thermal when u do an engine swap im gonna swap mine too.
hahaha. |
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09-05-2001, 03:19 PM
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09-06-2001, 03:34 AM
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sHOULDNT THIS BE IN THE turbo FORUM?
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09-07-2001, 08:46 PM
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Yeah get outta my forum. J/k Nothing much going on in here. Reading this post is giving me something to do. Maybe when the Civic forum gets going I will move it.
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09-10-2001, 06:01 PM
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Why not go turbo B18A/B? Just run them stock and if they blow they are disposable. A new one will only cost you a few hunred bucks and they will smoke a turbo B16A anyday. Youll have gobs of torque with this set up also.
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09-12-2001, 08:32 PM
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THats a great idea. If you all decide to do that I'll buy your turbo for the D16 off ya good a good price.
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09-13-2001, 04:03 AM
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09-13-2001, 05:13 AM
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possible with lowered compression with the use of a head gasket.
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09-13-2001, 10:19 PM
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09-15-2001, 02:04 PM
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uhh, if I can remember !
Correct me if I am wrong, since this is a new web board, and most of you guys are from SHO, you should remember MATt3t4. He was running 14 psi with stock internals and was pulling low 13's
Oh and the JG block, I have one installed in my civic ex and for only 1900 dollars. Well worth the money and now boosting 14 psi.  Only hitting low 13's |
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09-15-2001, 02:23 PM
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SHO??? WHERE'S THAT???
R U talking about that other Honda site??? The one that goes down more than Michael Jackson in a Spa full of boys???
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09-15-2001, 02:34 PM
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i am pretty sure 12's are possible when dynotuned. In my case, mine is not. I also have yet to get a standalone ecu. With the dynotune and ecu, i am pretty sure high 12's are in order.
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09-15-2001, 06:28 PM
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Good shit SLeeper. How do u like your jg block?? i am plannin to get mine soon and when i do im gonna get rid of my GREDDY KIT and get me a Revhard stage II and boost 28 lbs. or 2 bars.
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09-16-2001, 01:03 AM
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......yes i was talking about mat. i will confirm the numbers....
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09-16-2001, 06:04 AM
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I think 12s are a possibility but your tuning has to be right on. One little ping at this level and you can kiss that engine goodbye. We have done it with several B16As but that is a far cry from a SOHC engine. But then again we also have a ton of pistons laying around with broken ring lands.
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09-25-2001, 01:37 AM
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hey mrclowny what front lip do you have on your civic? and where did you get that armrest? did your car come stock like that?
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10-12-2001, 04:27 PM
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Man, i've got a b16 myself and i love it, i don't lose, but it's because i've forked over a bit of cash too... For all you d16er's you've got hope. The next thing i'm bout to tell you is not bull shiet and is totally TOTALLY fact...
There's a shop down in San Antonio, TX that's thing is d16 motors and FMAX kits. They run 12's all day long... All they did to the motor itself is put a thicker head gasket dropping it down to around 8.5:1 compression. They run 13-15 lbs daily on the street. But before you go buying a greddy metal headgasket, be sure you've got the fuel and clutch to hold that boost. And i swear to you these foolz have done nothing else but put a FMAX kit, thicker headgasket, v-afc and some tuning... NOT EVEN DYNO TUNED YET!!! This is by far the most amazing shiet i've ever witnessed. So amazing FMAX hook'd dem foolz up wit a ditributing deal and everything. FMAX couldn't believe it till they showed dem dah timeslips... Dese fools are GOOD!!! I'll get ya'll an e-mail. Dey'd be happy to help ya'll, i believe, with any questions you might have about turbo and d16's. Peace:  : |
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10-26-2001, 11:48 PM
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Question is.. How long will they last though..
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10-27-2001, 10:33 AM
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Well, They've had the same set up not blown for 2 years now. That just goes to show you, if you know what you're doin' you can make your car do whatever you want. Let me remind you that they don't have a dyno... Just set the v-afc off of knowledge... Probably could hit a whole lot better time if they had one... It's funny, the motor's lasted longer than the cars... This is the second car it's been in. I dunno, maybe going dohc isn't all that great? Yeah right!!!
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10-28-2001, 05:35 AM
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What 1/4 time do they ruN?
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10-28-2001, 11:58 AM
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: Between the 3 of them they run 12.70's - 12.90's all day long. On slicks of course... They run about 15 lbs at the track... I wouldn't recommend doing it on any other kit than the f-max kit unless you've got additional injectors like the kit has and you've got some kind of tuning... They don't even have a dyno and they still hit those times... They say those runs aren't even good ones, they're dumping alot of fuel at the end of each gear on their hatchback... Expected to run low low 12's!!! So i guess, what i've been trying to tell you is that if you don't wanna go dohc you don't really have to... You have to be using some kind of replacement for displacement (ie forced induction), but it'll be fast! |
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10-28-2001, 12:18 PM
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DAYM!....i knew it all along.....there is hope for us d16's |
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10-28-2001, 04:00 PM
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I wonder wat would happen if they were beefed up..
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11-09-2001, 12:53 PM
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Interesting discussion, here are my .02$. The D16 is a much stronger engine that it is given credit for, that's a fact. I've got a couple friend's who've both seen 14-16psi in stock motor'd D16Z6's, this is with the stock CR and of course with proper fuel management. What evdidently is the #1 fault in the D16's is the strength of the sleeves. Both motors eventually failed not because of a thrown rod or melted piston, but because the sleeve's began to warp under the 15psi pressures (this motor had no block guard or other sleeve wall reinforcment, like I said.. bone stock!). Now I personally wound't reccomend running this much psi in a daily driver, why? Well quite simply, although the motor CAN handle such boost levels, the margin of error you're not dealing with is incredibly small. The further you push the envelop, the smaller the window of error get's... one small hiccup in the fuel.. :BOOM: :
 : For these reason's, I'd leave the stock bottom end of a well setup D16 alone at 10-11psi, perhaps 12-13psi w/ 110 octane for track duties, but no more. Now my plans are for a full bottom end build next year courtesy of SFP here in Miami. Balanced crank, all new bearings, Eagle rods, JE 9.0:1 pistons w/ total seal rings, ARP bolts/studs, NuForms welded BG etc.. After some massaging of the head ports, I'd like to see 12psi daily, 15-16psi for track duties out of the eventual T04E-60 trim (stg 2 wheel, .48 A/R) and easy 12's all day  . This on a basicaly built D16. Another great thing about building the D16, because of all of the swap monkey's out there, D16 parts are a dime a dozen.. good to know just incase anything does break  |
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