Previously posted in Kills...(Civic EX vs SpecV Altima)

NissanRacer posted:

Just wondering why anybody would buy a Honda CIVIC si or ex or dx or whatever, and not a powerful SPECV?

Well, Nissan Racer, It's not about just being the fastest. My friend's Grandmother has a 5-speed Altima and it is quick, but not everyone has the luxury of going out and buying the quickest car. You take what you got(in my case Civic Ex) and make it what you want. I guarantee you 99.9% of the people here would rather be rolling in a Civic Si than an Altima.


You could go out and buy a junky 5.0 for 4,000 and whoop the shiznit out of your SpecV every day of the week. I know from experience. My 5.0, including fixing things wrong with it, was under 5,500, and I was walking on LS1's every chance I got. Ironic as it might sound, I have been walked on by a 94 Hatch...$4000 + good source for parts + do it yourself labor = 12second car. The car wasn't N/A, but was still under the cost of the Altima.

i'd take the Altima...







then sell it and get an Si and use the extra money to mod it.

lol nicely said Maxvla. Nicely said!

[ebpda9]

i would take a mild powerful car and then mod it. i don't see any fun on getting a car that is already powerfull and beats the crap out of the civics and accords. i rather have a slower one and make it my way. for me modding or working on my car is just a way of life.

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
for me modding or working on my car is just a way of life.

isn't your car stock?? lol. (except wheels)

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by Maxvla


isn't your car stock?? lol. (except wheels)

yeah but i changed parts on it even if i did not need to. and plus the hondastyle.com stickers are serious power adders . at least 100hp (total) at the wheels

[Racing Rice]

I dont want this thread to turn into a piss on honda piss on Nissan.. whatever.. So please keep it calm.

The thing that cracks me up about the new Spec V Sentra is the fact that Nissan is claiming that its pushing 180 Hp. when in reality its only pushing about 145 to the wheels. Either they are really inefficiant with the power or full of crap when it comes to HP ratings..

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
I dont want this thread to turn into a piss on honda piss on Nissan.. whatever.. So please keep it calm.

The thing that cracks me up about the new Vspec Sentra is the fact that Nissan is claiming that its pushing 180 Hp. when in reality its only pushing about 145 to the wheels. Either they are really inefficiant with the power or full of crap when it comes to HP ratings..

where does honda measure the hp ? crank or wheels ?

[Racing Rice]

At the crank but they dont loose near that much at the wheels.. Nissan isnt the only company to do this there are many others that do as well. Then you have VW that says their cars push 150 HP, and actually push 140 to the wheels..

[ebpda9]

don't you lose 10-15 hp thru a tranny (auto) ?

I have 98 Civic DX coupe, and my mom has a 2001 Altima, and I've driven both a great deal. When I try to throw her car around like I do my civic I get alot more hesitation and squeeling from the tires, maybe its the suspension and the fact that the car is a little bigger, but I don't care for it very much. Granted the Altima is much faster than my civic, and has a great engine sound, I'd still take my civic over it because its so much more fun to drive. If I dragged everyone I know I would pick the altima, but for carving up the curves in the hills, I want my civic. Plus my civic gets better gas mileage

i'll race his "powerful specV" in my EX

[4jacks]

I'll try to be not and avoid the Piss on Nissian Theme.... but come on ... an Altima !?!?!?! ROFLMAO .... I think we all bought Civics and Accords becuase we wanted a Nice looking Car not a Rounded out Grocery Getter.... I dont care WHAT you put under the hood.... I will NEVER sport a Four Door Fart Mobile that all the Old People who Can't afford the Maxima drive.

Ok Ok Ok ... I didn't exactly stick to the Don't piss on Nissan theme so I'm going to throw out their, that the 240 is a Bas ASS car and that the 300 z was one of the Greatest cars of all time... and it's a damn shame they stoped making both of them.... then thiers the NEW Z I can't wait to put my suit and tie on and pretend to be rich enough to buy one, just for a test drive.
So it's not Nissan in general, but he's better off, yelling at the ppl who bought the Honda Odyess.

4jacks... n i s s a n. not n i s s i a n.

What I find very juvenile (no offense juvenile!) is that Mr. Nissan fanatic comes on a *HONDA* forum and starts talking sheet. Is there a purpose for that?
Go to a Nissan forum and give high 5's with fellow Nissan drivers about how *sucky* hondas are.
And I seriously doubt a Nissan Altima would kill an S2K......S2K is much lighter.
The only reason why an Altima would beat an S2K is the driver sux.
I'm not trashing Nissan Altimas, I respect 240 hp out of a six cylinder, even if the drivetrain isn't very efficient.
Hondas do tend to start off a bit wimpy unless you get into the higher end models, because they are 4 cylinder and low torque....but once you uncork the engine, those things scream.

Plus, I like the fact that I'm getting good gas mileage as well.
Sure, a V-8 can beat me (marginally) for now, but soon I'll be smoking V-8's with only half the cylinders and I can still pay under $20 for a tank of gas!
Moral: Don't go to a forum talking smack on whatever the forum is devoted to (i.e. Hondas)

[4jacks]

Originally posted by Maxvla
4jacks... n i s s a n. not n i s s i a n.

****This Post has been Edited to say some Humorous remark on why I can not Spell Nissan****

****Then the humorous remark has been found to be non-humorous and edited****

*****Now you just get to read my edits****

huh?

[4jacks]

That was suppose to have something to do with the "thiers no I in team" saying where you say "Theirs a M and an E and that spells ME"....


Ok ... it wasn't funny ....
Dammit... someone Edit my post and make it Funny

Originally posted by 4jacks
Ok ... it wasn't funny ....
Dammit... someone Edit my post and make it Funny

LMAO!!!

you know... you can edit your post... only moderators can edit other peoples posts. (i think they can)

[4jacks]

YESSS !!!! !


****EDIT****

Originally posted by Racing Rice
At the crank but they dont loose near that much at the wheels.. Nissan isnt the only company to do this there are many others that do as well. Then you have VW that says their cars push 150 HP, and actually push 140 to the wheels..

no offence your riceyness but honds is notorious for overrating there cars!! integras are rated at 140 i've seen them put out 114 pretty big loss if you ask me!


But in all honesty to each his own! Like me i kinda sick of the four cyilnder life and are considering a trans am or ss camaro why i think they look good and are both very very fast! But like i said to each there own!

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by tightteg52

no offence your riceyness but honds is notorious for overrating there cars!! integras are rated at 140 i've seen them put out 114 pretty big loss if you ask me!

Was it a brand new Integra? Just wondering.

Originally Posted by Me!
Nissan isnt the only company to do this there are many others that do as well.

I didnt say anything about Honda being great either tho, did I?

::yawns::

Like me i kinda sick of the four cyilnder life and are considering a trans am or ss camaro

::yawns again::

this is old news and boring. everyone knows that a trans am or ss camaro will beat a stock civic or accord or whatever. boo hoo...my honda is slow and I'm too lazy to do something about it...boo hoo. I forgive you though.

You can't get any f-body to run 11s and still get over 25 miles to the gallon like you can a honda civic. don't believe me? send me an PM and i'll tell you about it.

Maxvla: Look in that Hot Rod with the green challenger on the front at the shop.

[4jacks]

Well if your going Pimp it out redneck style... get a Firebird NOT a Camaro.... Firebirds are Much Cleaner Looking...

Originally posted by Incubus
What I find very juvenile (no offense juvenile!)

Oh yeah, bring ME into this. Sheesh. I can blackmail you ya know. I know something....about the 2 girls a video camera and a hotel room. Don't tempt me, you won't like it....

Originally posted by 20civic01
Maxvla: Look in that Hot Rod with the green challenger on the front at the shop.

yep... ive seen it.

WTF is a SpecV Altima? Do they sell those? I'm familiar with the SE-R and SE-R SpecV, but I wasn't aware the Altima had that package. Far as I know, it's a very nice family car.

Max

OK OK, Honda/Nissan..blah blah blah!! Why would anyone buy either of them????? Its all about Mitsubishi Eclipse baby.

Originally posted by 20civic01
You can't get any f-body to run 11s and still get over 25 miles to the gallon like you can a honda civic. don't believe me? send me an PM and i'll tell you about it.

A 2000 Corvette with a Katech 382, 3.42 gears and a 3500 stall will get 27mpg and make a little shy of 500hp. Back to the magazines with you.

I'll bet that after all that guy put in that ls1, he wished he had the civic passing him in the QT. at about 15000 less than what he spent.

Originally posted by 20civic01
I'll bet that after all that guy put in that ls1, he wished he had the civic passing him in the QT. at about 15000 less than what he spent.

Hmm...Katech engine runs about $9k or so, add $2k for tyres, gears, and tuning, puts the total cost of mods ~$11k or so, add 30k 'Vette, so ~$41k for a 500hp Corvette with full interior, A/C, and complete driveability. What's it cost to put a Civic in the 11's?
Is the passenger seat still in the car? Carpet?

And at the end of the day, regardless of who won or lost, one of the racers is going home in a Corvette, and the other one is going home in a really quick economy car, or on a tow truck.

But our disagreement was about power and fuel economy. Match and point on that issue, sir.

But, if we were talking Mustangs...

Max

find me a $30k vette new.
those are more than 30k.

more like 41k plus 11k in mods.
{source edmunds.com}

Y'all have never heard of a used car? Why would you buy a new car just to pull the motor?

Max

To each his own! Its about breaking into the 11s or 10's!! Yes it is easier to do it in a amercan muscle why you ask?? displacment! There is no replacment for displacment only temporary equalizers! But yes i would much rather drive home in a vette then a civic why! prestige that comes with a vette! just my .000000000000000000000000000000002

My step dad had a vette and I didn't really like it very much. New Vettes are nice but last time I was at the track I was running quicker than the Stingray and the 427 (for those who know what that is). I'm thinking that I was quicker more because either the drivers sucked horribly or the engines were just really outta tune, but they were on slicks so I don't really know what the case is.

It's also the whole underdog value! Sure, people are impressed when they see an 11 sec Vette, but even more so impressed and surprised when they see an 11 sec 4 banger!!!
C'mon, any of you who have raced the over confident american muscle cars and won know the expression on their faces when they get spanked by a "wind up toy!"

juvenile: aaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! I should never have told my little secret! I'm sure it's on the web somewhere by now! I'm glad I never actually did anything with those girls because shortly thereafter they got really into Speed (the drug, not the velocity we all know and love!). I ain't down with drugs, so it's a good thing I wasn't involved with them, even though they weren't doing drugs that night.

here's the specs of that honda i was talking about

1.55L D16A6 SOCH (around 90ci)
Induction: Eaton Supercharger
Head: Reworked D16A6; 1.18I, 1.06E
Stock Transmission, Quaife diff, cutsom shifter
Final Drive ratio: 4.24:1
Quartermile: 11.04@134.09
Fuel Economy 23-27(city)33-36(highway)
built by: Larry Widmer/ Endyn

woops..my mistake on the Fuel economy. I couldn't find the mag at the time.

Originally posted by Niacin
Y'all have never heard of a used car? Why would you buy a new car just to pull the motor?

Max

don't even tell me he bought that used...

if you are buying cars like that for speed build up you want a new one so you know everything is in working order.

[4jacks]

Vettes are about $45 large New...

**drool**

how did we go from an Altima to a Vette...

I'd take the Vette over the Altima ... Hell I'd give up my Dog for a Vette!!!!!!

*shylo whimpers aways*

I'd take a BMW M3 or an Audi TT!!!!! I heard they are going to be releasing the TT in twin turbo 6 cylinder in a couple years......just in time for me to be looking for a new car when I graduate college!!!

yeah... look for it to be VERY spendy too... lol