Choice = Segregation

[Robert]

Let me touch on both topics here raised at once.

Originally Posted by VR4_Craver

Robert, while your ideas are good you are applying them to a whole. Like saying
"Dont assume for a minute you understand what its like to live in a black persons shoes, its far tougher then we could imagine."
You really think that Micheal Jordan or Shaq has it hard? The ones that have it hard, have it hard because they are to lazy to change the situation they have gotten into. A single mother of 3 could either work double shifts at a job and actually TRY to get somewhere, or admit defeat and live on welfare. The sad truth is that this is what most "minorities" have done. Given up on the idea of actually working hard for shit you want. Sure there are people who have it hard and actually try to fix it. That is where the welfare comes in handy. But all of the goverments programs that are actually great when you need them but most are abused by people think they are to good to actually work. Dont get me wrong not everyone here abuses stuff like Welfare or WIC or medicaid. But, one day while shopping at Wal-Mart after my 10 hour shift, welding, in 95 degree weather I see a guy use a food stamp card then we follow him out and he hops into a fucking BMW X3 something kicks you in the face and tells you that it aint right. Or when my fiancee got denied Medicaid because I made 10$ an hour and in no way could we pay for our son to be born. Then in comes a "minorty" with 4 kids and no questions asked gets medicaid cause his dumb ass wife is pregnant again.

Just like I am being blamed of sweeping statements, you two are making huge generalities on the issue which are not fact. The reality is a small percentage of people abuse the system and ruin it for others. It is these people you see mostly. Secondly the few blacks that have money do not represent the majority. The majority do not live the lives you speak of. When you live a life where you're bumbarded by news media telling you to act gangstar and live like a thug tell me you'd be different. If you do you're a fool. We are all products of our envoirnment and are influenced by what we see/taught while young.

There are however a huge number of people, in Cali estimated 1 million illegal workers working for cash and living lives. These people never qualify for the services you saw covered.

Will there always be people who take advantage of the system? Yes, of course. However they will be of all race and color, it is in peoples nature to be like this.

However the tone given above is boarderline on racial, they aren't dumb because they had a 4th child. There is no where in the law that dictates the level of income required to have a child. If the coin was flipped on you, one could say at your income you shoulndt be having a child. Minority or not. I think you're racist.

Steve, good points. Watch the doc. I suggested. In this areas I am probably more educated on the influences of media and racial descrimination then you are. Trust me when I tell you the comments I have made are not without fact. I however will leave it up to your interest and smarts to discover these on your own.

Start with these...
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...s/cool/giants/
More in racisim
http://weeklywire.com/ww/09-14-98/nash_film-video.html
http://www.medialit.org/reading_room/article384.html
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml
http://www.yale.edu/ypq/articles/oct99/oct99b.html

There is a tone to learn and there is more out there. Do your research, learn and then develope and opinion greater then your limited personal experience. That IMO is the only way to prevent yourself from becoming ignorant of fact.