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CD5Passion · 08-22-2005, 06:49 PM

Footage Contradicts London Police Reports

LONDON - A Brazilian shot to death a day after botched bombings in London had walked casually onto a train before being gunned down by undercover officers, according to leaked footage that appeared to contradict earlier police reports that said the man disobeyed police orders.

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Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old electrician, was shot eight times last month in front of terrified commuters on a subway train, after undercover police tailed him from a house under surveillance.

Police first said the shooting was related to the failed bombings on the London transit system July 21 — two weeks after four suspected suicide bombers blew themselves up in three Underground stations and aboard one double-decker bus.

Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, called the death regrettable, but said it appeared "the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions."

Citing security footage, a British television station reported Tuesday that Menezes entered the Stockwell subway station at a normal walking pace, stopping to pick up a newspaper before boarding a train and taking a seat.

The ITV News broadcast, citing an investigation report into the shooting, also said Menezes was wearing a light denim jacket when he was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder. Witness reports described a terrifying scene of the man — wearing a bulky jacket on a warm July day — running through the train station, being tackled by a group of undercover police officers, then being shot several times at close range.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the shooting, refused Wednesday to comment on the veracity of the documents cited by ITV News.

A police spokeswoman also refused to explain what Blair meant when he said it appeared Menezes disobeyed orders. She noted, however, that police never said Menezes had tried to vault the barriers at the Underground station or tried to run from police.

Lawyer Harriet Wistrich, acting for the Brazilian's family, said police had no reason to suspect Menezes was a bomber.

"He was not carrying a rucksack. He simply had a denim jacket," Wistrich told British Broadcasting Corp. TV. "Was it necessary to shoot him dead as opposed to trying to confront him at an earlier stage? There was no indication he was about to blow himself up at all."

ITV News said that, according to the IPCC report, a member of the team that tailed Menezes into the subway train said he heard shouting including the word "police" before turning to face the Brazilian.

"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the ... officers ... I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side," the unidentified officer was quoted as saying.

"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. ... I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."

A man sitting opposite Menezes saw a man boarding and firing his first shot from a handgun at the Brazilian's head from 12 inches away, according to the report obtained by ITV.

The report also said that, while Menezes was shot eight times, three other bullets were fired but missed.

Racing Rice · 08-23-2005, 09:36 AM

If the police asks someone to do something and he refuses to cooperate, then I would be pretty damn suspicious of the guy as well.

I was watching a news report on this a couple weeks ago and they say the told the guy to stop several times. I don't know that they really needed to fill the guy full of lead, but I could only imagine whats going through the cops mind at a time like that.

GT40FIED · 08-23-2005, 10:43 AM

That whole thing is proof positive that NO ONE lies like the U.S.

We would've had our story straight from day one, constructed a complex web of lies thatched together with bullshit, and then probably would have gone to war with Brazil for things they may or may not have had. Solid proof? That only hinders manifest destiny.

Ahhhh...what a great time to be alive.

Edit: Also, am I the only one wondering how this happens virtually THE SECOND England gave it's cops guns? I mean shit...you'd think they'd be a bit more hesitant about using them.

Racing Rice · 08-23-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by GT40FIED

Edit: Also, am I the only one wondering how this happens virtually THE SECOND England gave it's cops guns? I mean shit...you'd think they'd be a bit more hesitant about using them.

Why? They probably have itchy trigger fingers. Combine that with the lack of experience on when to and not to pull the trigger, its not surprising at all.

GT40FIED · 08-23-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Racing Rice
Why? They probably have itchy trigger fingers. Combine that with the lack of experience on when to and not to pull the trigger, its not surprising at all.

True. I just figured if I had never fired a gun in my life and was forced with a decision to take someone down, I'd probably think twice about it. That...and look at all of the casing there are in that subway car. They just fuckin unloaded on that guy. I wouldn't be suprised if someone reloaded.

Mischief · 08-23-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by GT40FIED
True. I just figured if I had never fired a gun in my life and was forced with a decision to take someone down, I'd probably think twice about it. That...and look at all of the casing there are in that subway car. They just fuckin unloaded on that guy. I wouldn't be suprised if someone reloaded.

Wasn't there like five cops chasing him down?

CD5Passion · 08-23-2005, 02:59 PM

Citing security footage, a British television station reported Tuesday that Menezes entered the Stockwell subway station at a normal walking pace, stopping to pick up a newspaper before boarding a train and taking a seat.

he wasn't even running from the cop and if you read it even says that the cops grabbed him and threw him into where he was sitting and then began to shot the fuck out of him.

he never ran from the cops in the first place so it says

Mischief · 08-23-2005, 03:15 PM

well wasn't there like five cops shooting him then?

08-22-2005, 06:49 PM	#1
CD5Passion Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, California Age: 39 Posts: 5,446	London bombing fuck up Footage Contradicts London Police Reports LONDON - A Brazilian shot to death a day after botched bombings in London had walked casually onto a train before being gunned down by undercover officers, according to leaked footage that appeared to contradict earlier police reports that said the man disobeyed police orders. ADVERTISEMENT Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old electrician, was shot eight times last month in front of terrified commuters on a subway train, after undercover police tailed him from a house under surveillance. Police first said the shooting was related to the failed bombings on the London transit system July 21 — two weeks after four suspected suicide bombers blew themselves up in three Underground stations and aboard one double-decker bus. Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, called the death regrettable, but said it appeared "the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions." Citing security footage, a British television station reported Tuesday that Menezes entered the Stockwell subway station at a normal walking pace, stopping to pick up a newspaper before boarding a train and taking a seat. The ITV News broadcast, citing an investigation report into the shooting, also said Menezes was wearing a light denim jacket when he was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder. Witness reports described a terrifying scene of the man — wearing a bulky jacket on a warm July day — running through the train station, being tackled by a group of undercover police officers, then being shot several times at close range. The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the shooting, refused Wednesday to comment on the veracity of the documents cited by ITV News. A police spokeswoman also refused to explain what Blair meant when he said it appeared Menezes disobeyed orders. She noted, however, that police never said Menezes had tried to vault the barriers at the Underground station or tried to run from police. Lawyer Harriet Wistrich, acting for the Brazilian's family, said police had no reason to suspect Menezes was a bomber. "He was not carrying a rucksack. He simply had a denim jacket," Wistrich told British Broadcasting Corp. TV. "Was it necessary to shoot him dead as opposed to trying to confront him at an earlier stage? There was no indication he was about to blow himself up at all." ITV News said that, according to the IPCC report, a member of the team that tailed Menezes into the subway train said he heard shouting including the word "police" before turning to face the Brazilian. "He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the ... officers ... I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side," the unidentified officer was quoted as saying. "I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. ... I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage." A man sitting opposite Menezes saw a man boarding and firing his first shot from a handgun at the Brazilian's head from 12 inches away, according to the report obtained by ITV. The report also said that, while Menezes was shot eight times, three other bullets were fired but missed. __________________

08-23-2005, 09:36 AM	#2
Racing Rice Project Combat Honda Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Highland,OH Age: 46 Posts: 7,985	If the police asks someone to do something and he refuses to cooperate, then I would be pretty damn suspicious of the guy as well. I was watching a news report on this a couple weeks ago and they say the told the guy to stop several times. I don't know that they really needed to fill the guy full of lead, but I could only imagine whats going through the cops mind at a time like that. __________________ Racing Rice

08-23-2005, 10:43 AM	#3
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	That whole thing is proof positive that NO ONE lies like the U.S. We would've had our story straight from day one, constructed a complex web of lies thatched together with bullshit, and then probably would have gone to war with Brazil for things they may or may not have had. Solid proof? That only hinders manifest destiny. Ahhhh...what a great time to be alive. Edit: Also, am I the only one wondering how this happens virtually THE SECOND England gave it's cops guns? I mean shit...you'd think they'd be a bit more hesitant about using them. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika Last edited by GT40FIED : 08-23-2005 at 10:50 AM.

08-23-2005, 02:59 PM	#7
CD5Passion Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, California Age: 39 Posts: 5,446	Citing security footage, a British television station reported Tuesday that Menezes entered the Stockwell subway station at a normal walking pace, stopping to pick up a newspaper before boarding a train and taking a seat. he wasn't even running from the cop and if you read it even says that the cops grabbed him and threw him into where he was sitting and then began to shot the fuck out of him. he never ran from the cops in the first place so it says __________________

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