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V8killimports · 01-26-2005, 09:18 AM

Nonono.. I am not talking about iraq.. I am talking about the people being help at gitmo. I used iraq as an example.. and no I don't think what was done in the prison in iraq was right at all, and was so happy when that arrogant fuck got 10 years of ass pounding handed to him. What I was saying is that it amazes me when small shit which is NOT classified as torture (i.e. sleep deprivation) makes huge headlines, while a guy getting his head sawed off, of a suicide attack on a wedding is printed in tiny tiny writiing on page A22 on the newspaper shadowed by the walmart ad. Get what I am saying?

You make is sound like with the few.. very few inexcusable incidents tha have happened, that people are out here shooting people at random, anally raping people with bayonets and doig shit like that on a daily basis.. and that's not right.

Iraq aside, the detainees at gitmo do not fall under POW status. Like I said earlier.. Here I will give you an example...

Let's say we are at war with the USSR (former). I am captured and taken prisoner. I am to be treated as a POW and whether or not that happens is yet to be determined. But I have an opportunity to escape, but I may have to kill a guard in the process... here are the consequences of that:

A) if I kill the guard as a non combatant I am no longer a POW but now a national criminal.. just like anyone else. And can now be tried for murder. When the war is over, I no longer go home with the rest of the POWs. I am USSR property, and the US has no leverage to work with to get me back any longer.

B) I do not kill the guard. I am recaptured and maintain my POW status.

Now the choice is yours, but be aware of the consequences. If I knew I could get away without a doubt.. would I kill the guard? In a second.. but there will be consequences.

So let's look at the detainees/insurgants. They wear no identifiable uniform or markings which actually qualify them as spies or persons involved in acts of espionage. The difference is having something as little as an armband.. or "black pajamas" like the VC had.. whatever. But they choose to blend in with local population.. and are passig themselves off as civilians or NON COMBATANTS, which is not allowed. So because of this they are not considered POWs when captured.

Now with all that crap aside... no they don't fall under the GC.. and yes may be tortured..maybe. But should we? Who knows.. is there a right answer? Nope.. but like I said earlier.. let's get upset about brutally executing random people in the streets of Baghdad before we worry about a detainee not getting his full 8 hours sleep...

Priorities..

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01-26-2005, 09:18 AM	#1
V8killimports Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Beale AFB, CA Posts: 1,377	Nonono.. I am not talking about iraq.. I am talking about the people being help at gitmo. I used iraq as an example.. and no I don't think what was done in the prison in iraq was right at all, and was so happy when that arrogant fuck got 10 years of ass pounding handed to him. What I was saying is that it amazes me when small shit which is NOT classified as torture (i.e. sleep deprivation) makes huge headlines, while a guy getting his head sawed off, of a suicide attack on a wedding is printed in tiny tiny writiing on page A22 on the newspaper shadowed by the walmart ad. Get what I am saying? You make is sound like with the few.. very few inexcusable incidents tha have happened, that people are out here shooting people at random, anally raping people with bayonets and doig shit like that on a daily basis.. and that's not right. Iraq aside, the detainees at gitmo do not fall under POW status. Like I said earlier.. Here I will give you an example... Let's say we are at war with the USSR (former). I am captured and taken prisoner. I am to be treated as a POW and whether or not that happens is yet to be determined. But I have an opportunity to escape, but I may have to kill a guard in the process... here are the consequences of that: A) if I kill the guard as a non combatant I am no longer a POW but now a national criminal.. just like anyone else. And can now be tried for murder. When the war is over, I no longer go home with the rest of the POWs. I am USSR property, and the US has no leverage to work with to get me back any longer. B) I do not kill the guard. I am recaptured and maintain my POW status. Now the choice is yours, but be aware of the consequences. If I knew I could get away without a doubt.. would I kill the guard? In a second.. but there will be consequences. So let's look at the detainees/insurgants. They wear no identifiable uniform or markings which actually qualify them as spies or persons involved in acts of espionage. The difference is having something as little as an armband.. or "black pajamas" like the VC had.. whatever. But they choose to blend in with local population.. and are passig themselves off as civilians or NON COMBATANTS, which is not allowed. So because of this they are not considered POWs when captured. Now with all that crap aside... no they don't fall under the GC.. and yes may be tortured..maybe. But should we? Who knows.. is there a right answer? Nope.. but like I said earlier.. let's get upset about brutally executing random people in the streets of Baghdad before we worry about a detainee not getting his full 8 hours sleep... Priorities..