.:HSTuners::::Hondas Wanted:: |
11-08-2003, 10:05 PM
|
#1 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The stixx
Age: 39
Posts: 1,550
|
What would this be?
How about a D16 with a compresion ratio of 12:1 and a reprogrammed ECU....i raced a hatch like that but he had to been lying the way he was hauling...
__________________
me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
|
|
|
11-08-2003, 10:22 PM
|
#2 |
|
4th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville
Age: 39
Posts: 853
|
D16s are gay.
*hides from Az*
__________________
Doody Ej1 Yse. |
|
|
|
|
11-08-2003, 10:28 PM
|
#3 |
|
Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze!
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Meanwhile, up in The D...
Age: 42
Posts: 10,579
|
thats damn crazy compression...
Ive heard that can be obtained w/ zc pistons...but Ive never seen actual results |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 12:04 AM
|
#4 |
|
Repost Wagon
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: over here
Age: 44
Posts: 17,266
|
wow, that's pretty high of a compression.
__________________
 
|
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 11:54 AM
|
#5 | |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
Quote:
No 1.6 liter engines are gay... at least most people with a D never payed EXTRA for it. Oh and I know I've pointed this out before but the world's fastest honda was a D15 block... So I think you kinda have your head up your ass on that one... A 12:1 D would put out WAY more power than a b16 swapped in would... even with some mods... Not to mention ALL of it's power wouldn't be hidden up top past vtec crossover... it'd have a MUCH more respectable power curve than the torqueless wonder. Oh and it'd cost you about a tenth as much as a swap... But yeah you're right D16's are gay.
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 03:20 PM
|
#6 |
|
4th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville
Age: 39
Posts: 853
|
dude you cant say taht i was HIDING see above.
__________________
Doody Ej1 Yse. |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 03:28 PM
|
#7 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
you cant knock the torqueless wonder. Having a fast honda is all about weight. The more crap you take out of your honda the faster it will go. Saying a 1.6 liter b16 is gay aint right - i can beat GSR's w/the same mods as i have, does that mean they are gay? does that mean my 1.6 is any better than their 1.8? No, not at all. The b16 just trades a little low rpm torque for a little more high rpm power (im talkin jdm b16's, since they put out the same final power as a us b18c1). Honestly, im sick of you people saying that having a b16 is a dumb idea - weather youve got a b16 or a b18, the race is gonna be a driver's race. From reading some of your posts, its obvious you have never raced against another Bseries honda while driving a Bseries honda, so please dont try and talk like a 1.8 is SSSSOOO much better than the 1.6. |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 06:01 PM
|
#8 | |
|
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The stixx
Age: 39
Posts: 1,550
|
Quote:
ok that entire post is poointless considereing that we are talking about the D16 not the B16..... but yea anyway that guy said 12:1 compression and hondata ecu....thats it....plus the no interior, 1/8 tank f gas......no 15 or passanger...but anyway he beat me 
__________________
me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
|
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 06:36 PM
|
#9 | |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
Before reading... please read my sig... I'm just a smart-ass... I'm not trying to put either of you or your motors down...
Quote:
Now having said all that... I couldn't care less if you guys got swaps... if YOU are happy with them then great... but don't come on here with TOTALLY inaccurate B.S. yammering on constantly to everyone how they should get a jdm b16... or how the D's suck... that's just BAD BAD BAD advise... you're exited because you just did (had) something MAJOR done to your car... that's great and all... but don't go telling people that D16's are "gay"... any 1.6 motor is a joke... it's TINY... like I said even a 1.8 is too small imo... If it's not turbo then the extra cam can suck my nut... you could make a Dseries MUCH MUCH faster NA or boost than a b16 swap for LESS MONEY... Of course that would take work... which is "gay" apparently.
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 07:40 PM
|
#10 | |
|
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The stixx
Age: 39
Posts: 1,550
|
Quote:
    sorry for setting him off...... LOL j/k
__________________
me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
|
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 08:17 PM
|
#11 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
Dont tell me about acurate bs - you are all flippin out because of 2 tenths of a liter which really isnt any big deal - obviously (id know from experience). Yes, i will agree that a 4cyl is slow and still will be even if it has a turbo. As far as you talkin about how much better having a 1.8 is than a 1.6 - you dont know what you are talking about. The extra torque just gives a slightly better launching pad, maybe 1/2 a carlenght off the line. As for what i said about racing, i have been to the races and raced many a hybrid civic, B16/B18 - its all the same and their is barely a difference in how the cars perform so dont get all hyped up over 2tenths of a liter. and BTW - I never said anything to discourage somebody building a D. |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 09:04 PM
|
#12 |
|
Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze!
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Meanwhile, up in The D...
Age: 42
Posts: 10,579
|
wow yeah...we're not doing this again, are we?
bad enough I gotta deal w/ this topic in the civic section...I dont wanna read it here too it is an endless problem d vs b...argue in your heads please |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 09:11 PM
|
#13 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
dude, id love too, its just that people keep bringin it up and this has been a sore topic lately on HST. |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 09:27 PM
|
#14 | |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Az
Age: 44
Posts: 3,804
|
Quote:
Well said! |
|
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 10:04 PM
|
#15 |
|
4th Gear
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Nashville
Age: 39
Posts: 853
|
hey guys lets not take a joke.
did i mention that i dont think my car is a lamborghini and it also looks like a piece of shit ?
__________________
Doody Ej1 Yse. |
|
|
|
|
11-09-2003, 11:48 PM
|
#16 | |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
Quote:
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 07:25 AM
|
#17 |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Elkhart, IN
Age: 42
Posts: 1,642
|
BTW mike it was a d16.
You asked him if he swapped a b16 and he said no. Not to metion a b16 with that kind of compression would crush you (and me) even worse than it did. And you didn't belive me  everyone here said the samething i did.....no faith |
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 07:34 AM
|
#18 |
|
Repost Wagon
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: over here
Age: 44
Posts: 17,266
|
geez ppl relax there. we all know b,d,h series from honda all suck. the best engine they ever made it's the f series, especially the f22a1's
 i hope you got my sarcasm
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 10:34 AM
|
#19 | |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Elkhart, IN
Age: 42
Posts: 1,642
|
Quote:
 . jfwy, i honestly didn't even read what everyone posted. For 1 it was too early in the morning, and two i really didn't care. But mike didn't belive me and had to make a thread about it, so i thought i would give him a hard time. And your opnion about the accord doesn't count. Although i will hand it to you, you are loyal |
|
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 12:29 PM
|
#20 |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Nonovurbuz - all of your statistical crap doent mean anything - there is no big performance difference between a B16a and B18c.
Say whatever you want about charts or physics, you cant sit there and tell me that the engines are a world apart (jeeze, its not even like we are comparing a Ford 289 to the Chevy 350). |
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 12:51 PM
|
#21 |
|
Thought Police
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: orlando florida
Age: 41
Posts: 9,662
|
thanks... now i have a headache from reading all that.
as far as all this goes... i no longer care about numbers. ive tried playing the number game, and its never right. honda motors dont put out face value. jdms are underrated, usdm's are over rated little things make too much of a difference when the major things dont. if you try to build your motor to the best of its potential you'll get an outcome different than what your projected hp or speed output is. ive seen my friends h22 go into the mid 13's in a prelude body with 95% of the interior on just intake, open headers, and cam gears. no one believes him, yet he runs it every day he goes to the track no matter the conditions(well a few tenths if its a extremely hot day) and our track is notouriously slow for everyone else ive ever talked to. i dont know what the argument is... if its b18 v b16 then get over it. they are both good motors, theres no reason at all to fight over it, both are very potential, and ive seen both put out nice numbers and times.
__________________
Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd  Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold. |
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 02:51 PM
|
#22 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
Xactly, nuff said. |
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 03:46 PM
|
#23 |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
To say there isn't a difference between a ctr motor and an itr motor is plain stupid...
to say that they will run equally is even more stupid... Yes you can get "good numbers out of any honda block". As mentioned in some other threads bisi's d15 was spanking EVERYTHING out there... does that mean you should run out and swap in a d15... I don't think so... The arguement is that .2 liters giving IDENTICAL everything else... the engine with more displacement will ALWAYS beat the smaller disp. engine... it's just that simple... to say the "numbers game is never right" is just wrong... a 1.8 is BETTER than a 1.6 given the same technology. The ONLY thing that will make a 1.6 better would be a superior build quality and tuning... It's plain awe inspiring to me that someone could even try to argue that .2 liters doesn't do much... if that's the case then why would honda have ever built anything but 1.6's... there are apparently NO benifits to more displacement... Whatever this is just rediculous... you're right your ctr motor is way better than an itr...
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 03:49 PM
|
#24 | |
|
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The stixx
Age: 39
Posts: 1,550
|
Quote:
I know what i asked him....and i said it was the D16 not the b....read the post weenie.   Try that on for size.... 
__________________
me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
|
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 04:10 PM
|
#25 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
First off, nobody ever mentioned the type r motors besides you. You just like the type r example because the motors are noticably different in power ratings. Second, we were arguing about the b16a and b18c1 motors which put out identicle final power ratings with slightly different torque and rpm numbers. And, although the GSR motor does have a whoping 2tenths of a liter more, it was concluded that the motors are only slightly different so there is no reason to wet yourself over such a small ammount of displacement. |
|
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 04:18 PM
|
#26 |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Oh yeah, and to adress your comment about stock civics being much slower than the same car with i/h/e.
A 94 civc ex will only get about 5 hp from all that, so there really is no difference. BTW, the only car i have seen make a lot of powe from just boltons was the new Hyundai tiberon (i dont like em, but this is interesting) - the thing made 13.5 more hp from just an intake. |
|
|
|
11-10-2003, 11:25 PM
|
#27 | |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
Quote:
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
|
11-11-2003, 06:35 AM
|
#28 |
|
Posts: n/a
|
YOU have got to be kidding me - the JDM b16 puts out 170 hp, same as a usdm GSR. The CTR puts out 185hp while the ITR puts out 195hp.
The JDM B16 and the Usdm GSR are extrmemely simmilar, much more so than the B16b and B18C5. |
|
|
|
11-11-2003, 11:23 AM
|
#29 |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
the itr and the ctr share just about EVERY component...
the b16 and the b18 share just about NO components... How are they similar???
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
11-11-2003, 11:32 AM
|
#30 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
They are similar cause they put out the same hp smart guy. |
|
|
|
|
11-11-2003, 10:57 PM
|
#31 |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ECUSA
Age: 48
Posts: 2,693
|
hp numbers DO NOT make engines comparable...
the b18c1 makes that power because it has higher torque... the b16b makes that power because it revs to 9k and has LOTS of technology built into it to squeeze out every last drop of NA power out of that engine... They are NOT similar engines... They have similar peak hp ratings...
__________________
I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... |
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 02:25 AM
|
#32 |
|
Banning Machine
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: My Garage, Va.
Posts: 5,547
|
ding ding ding ding................round 8
|
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 07:46 PM
|
#33 |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Yay turbo D16!!!!
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 07:47 PM
|
#34 |
|
Thought Police
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: orlando florida
Age: 41
Posts: 9,662
|
h22!!!!
__________________
Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold. |
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 08:45 PM
|
#35 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The stixx
Age: 39
Posts: 1,550
|
Uh..... YAY K20A3!!! WOOO!!!!.....
__________________
me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 09:25 PM
|
#36 |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Az
Age: 44
Posts: 3,804
|
why do people argue when they OBVIOUSLY dont know what they're talking about!!!!!!!!!!?????????
you know who you are!(c---------k) |
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 09:27 PM
|
#37 | |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Az
Age: 44
Posts: 3,804
|
Quote:
thats the engine Bisi is gonna use to get into the 9's, so it cant be too bad. http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2003..._Ezerioha.html |
|
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 10:03 PM
|
#38 | ||
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
Lemme help your post out::: Quote:
Thats better. |
||
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 10:05 PM
|
#39 |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Az
Age: 44
Posts: 3,804
|
if you really believe what you said, then you REALLY have no clue.
|
|
|
|
|
11-12-2003, 10:07 PM
|
#40 | |
|
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
no no no no - YOU have no clue - lol I have no problem arguing with you about something in particular, but when u try to alude to stuff it really doesnt work. Care to try again? |
|
|
|
 |
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Linear Mode
