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07-16-2003, 10:16 AM

I'm new with the swap topic. I need to know what is the best swap for a 94 civic 2 door. I have 3,500 to spend on the engine or an engine/turbo. Should i go with a 92 integra ls motor and a turbor or should i just get a gsr motor ?? Thanks guy

thermal · 07-16-2003, 11:07 AM

I say GSR engine. You can always turbo later. The GSR compression is not that bad to turbo. There are so many misconception about mid range compression + turbo. Get a GSR swap and start with a higher base HP.

An LS engine is not bad neither but your $3500 will not be enough with an LS plus turbo especially if you get a turbo kit. The turbo kit alone will run u dry. Are you doing the labor yourself?

If you want to be a little different, try a B20 swap. It has a higher torque base and is a great platform to turbo as well....

07-16-2003, 11:10 AM

What model GSR would be the best deal for me ?

07-16-2003, 11:12 AM

or should i just go with the ls/vtec....and then later put on a turbo...how much would the ls/vtec run me...I want to do it right...preferable the b20

thermal · 07-16-2003, 11:13 AM

All GSR's are B18c1 engines. Any of them will suffice.

An LS/VTEC can de done with a little over what you are paying for an LS swap. It all depends on where you're getting it done from. A CRVTEC is just about the same. But it is hard to find a B20 engine. An LS/VTEC and turbo can be an amazing machine man, eventhough I'm not a fan of the conversion. This coonversion can be unreliable, IMO......

07-16-2003, 11:15 AM

whats the cheapest place to get one?

thermal · 07-16-2003, 11:17 AM

Where are u located? If you're in SoCal, try: www.ARDperformance.com or www.speedupgrade.com
U might be able to get the engines from them. Installation is another story....

07-16-2003, 11:19 AM

i am in charlotte NC

thermal · 07-16-2003, 11:23 AM

Are you willing to drive to Virginia Beach? If so, email me at arceoa@porter.navy.mil
There is an awesome shop here who can help u out.....

07-16-2003, 12:36 PM

yeah i am willing to driving to viriginia..it isnt far from..what is the name of the shop..and what are the prices....

07-16-2003, 12:45 PM

i dont mind spending 3500 and getting my car up to about 200 hp,
i can wait on the turbo....later after my motor is built up to the max for it

nonovurbizniz · 07-16-2003, 01:09 PM

^ you won't have 200 hp with ANY swap.... unless you get a REALLY good running type R... but that's certainly not 3500...

also I'm not trying to insult you but I think you should save the money and do a LOT more research... you don't want to jump into this by throwing money and praying...

there should be a plan based on YOUR knowledge and experience of what you want in the long run and the best way to go about it...

if you ask me making any non-vtec into a vtec is a silly idea... if you want vtec get a vtec block... the non-vtec blocks are NOT designed for high reving and generally don't last too long... sure you COULD be the exception but I HIGHLY doubt it...

If I were you I'd get a gsr or ls swap... if you go ls, the turbo down the line should get you to whatever goals you have if you have the money...

Same goes for the gsr but with a little more cost up front but more power and the ability to hold the gears for a little longer...

In my opinion the best thing to do would be to figure out what YOU want.. by reading and doing research not by just asking what someone else thinks...

just my .02

07-16-2003, 02:07 PM

I am going with the gsr swap and turbo it up later....trying to find a place with the cheapest gsr .....i'll worry about the turbo at the end of the yr

thermal · 07-16-2003, 02:28 PM

I PM'd you Ryub

*AzCivic* · 07-16-2003, 02:30 PM

what model civic do you have???

07-16-2003, 02:35 PM

i have a 94 civic ex 2 door ...what does PM mean? this is my first day on the forum

*AzCivic* · 07-16-2003, 02:42 PM

have you considered just turbocharging the motor you have?

You dont gotta do a swap to be fast.

07-16-2003, 02:49 PM

I thought about just turboing up the motor i have but i would like to have a faster motor to play with plus the gsr would be able to handle more power

07-16-2003, 02:53 PM

thermalfi'd16
I didnt not get your PM yet

thermal · 07-16-2003, 02:58 PM

PM= Private Message

It should be there now bro......

07-16-2003, 03:04 PM

thanks man....let me check

07-16-2003, 03:09 PM

Where can i purchase a GSR motor for the best price....

*pdiggitydogg* · 07-16-2003, 05:08 PM

how long has this thread been here?! How did I miss it completely?...I mean Im here ALL THE DAMN TIME...........yeah......

anyways...

www.hmotorsonline.com is the most highly praised online shop for honda motors, besides www.importautosalvage.com. Both are very good and will give you a decent price on GOOD CLEAN motors

thermal · 07-16-2003, 07:13 PM

It started today man. You're okay

. It just happened to be that we were both online at the same time.

*AzCivic* · 07-16-2003, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryub
I thought about just turboing up the motor i have but i would like to have a faster motor to play with plus the gsr would be able to handle more power

how much power do you plan on making?

nonovurbizniz · 07-16-2003, 10:41 PM

A built turbo d16 won't make the same power as a stock turboed gsr... and it won't have ANYWHERE near the torque either...

I'm not slamming turboed D's but if he's looking for big power in the end, dumping money into a d16 is NOT the answer.

So what are your power goals?

*AzCivic* · 07-16-2003, 11:22 PM

I think if your looking for a car to make big power with, a civic is not the answer.

In the beginning everyones looking to make BIG power till they realize that a FWD car isnt really worth dumping all kinds of money into.

There are people making +300hp with just aftermarket pistons/rods(about 1k$) in dseries engines.(and a turbo, obviously)

07-17-2003, 07:28 AM

I'm hoping to hit around over 300 hp after i am down with the swap and the turbo if possible. I'll be happy with 300 hp on the two door civic

nonovurbizniz · 07-17-2003, 02:31 PM

^you want another platform...

a 300hp civic will be all but undrivable... unless that's a peak number...

even with a dif you'll be doing nothing but spinning wheels...

Is this a track car only or street driven?

Is this your first car... or first project?

07-17-2003, 02:36 PM

this is my first project...i have a couple of other cars to drive arouind

08-29-2003, 09:45 AM

So what GSR motor do I go with ...the easy to fit into a 94 Civic EX 2 Door coupe.....

nonovurbizniz · 08-30-2003, 01:30 PM

Like has already been said like 50 times....

ANY gsr motor will do... obd1 will be easier to wire... either way... I don't think you have ANYWHERE near the amount of info you need to make a good decision.. or to end up with anything...

Are you going to be doing this yourself or sending it to a shop?

If a shop then let them decide... they'll do what they do...

If it's you then I think you have a LOT more research to do.

Shaved &/or Laid · 08-30-2003, 02:04 PM

yeah man. GSR is ONE KIND of motor. b18c1 period. theres no better kind of GSR they are all the same.

also, try looking into homemadeturbo.com. Maybe youll be able to throw some kinda junkyard turbo setup on there. A prefab kit is no better, just a little less work for a WHOLE LOT more money. also, if you know anyone from hondatech, they might be able to get you a hookup on the DRAG turbo kit cauyse theres a place selling htem really reall really cheap to ht members, if hteyre still doing it. www.honda-tech.com is a good place to ask questions too. Theyre a more advanced forum as far as pure speed/ functional cars.

ebpda9 · 08-30-2003, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shaved &/or Laid
yeah man. GSR is ONE KIND of motor. b18c1 period. theres no better kind of GSR they are all the same.

umm there are 2 gsr engines: b18c1 for the 94-01 integras and b17something for the 90-93 integra (very very rare thou).

09-02-2003, 01:04 AM

well u got a bit of money aight, this is what u do Get a B20B thats 126hp or B20Z which is 146hp i would get that B20Z it only cost about $800 search for a b16a or b18c1 head and bolt it up, that combo is better than the GSR it self way mor torque and hp, then i would suggest u get a LS tranny, and like that guy said well he dont kno what he is talking about the non-Vetc block can withstand high rev trush me.

Shaved &/or Laid · 09-05-2003, 07:37 PM

yeah with a turbo

and i assumed he wanted the same model year. my bad

drdingo21 · 09-12-2003, 01:48 PM

Im surprised this idea hasn't been throwen out yet...
There is also the 225 hp H22 engine from a prelude. The engine itself is around 2k but you will have to upgrade the suspension of the car.

Its not near as bad as most people make it out to be. I drove one 2 weeks ago (the guy had just under 3k invested in it) the car handled great (don't remeber what upgrades he did to the suspension) and it was defintly fast.

Most people shoot down this idea because the engine is some work to fit into a civic, but once its done it is bad ass.

*AzCivic* · 09-12-2003, 02:02 PM

youre forgetting the problem of breaking axles, NOT due to the extra power but due to the akward angle they sit at in a civic w/ a h22.

09-13-2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryub
So what GSR motor do I go with ...the easy to fit into a 94 Civic EX 2 Door coupe.....

THe B16A is a great motor too - although the GSR is slightly superior, but i must say - the New motor in my car has made a BIG difference in the way the car behaves - im very pleased with it.

09-13-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AzCivic
youre forgetting the problem of breaking axles, NOT due to the extra power but due to the akward angle they sit at in a civic w/ a h22.

The Civic chassi is not designed to handle an H22 - plain and simple. The motor sits awkwardly in the car/not to mention it's power numbers require you to greatly beef up ur suspension in order to be able to drive properly.

BTW, if you put an H22 in ur car, consider it a car that will only run "the straight and narrow" cause the added weight on your front end will make you corner like crap.

07-16-2003, 10:16 AM	#1
Ryub Posts: n/a	Best swap for a 94 2 door civic I'm new with the swap topic. I need to know what is the best swap for a 94 civic 2 door. I have 3,500 to spend on the engine or an engine/turbo. Should i go with a 92 integra ls motor and a turbor or should i just get a gsr motor ?? Thanks guy

07-16-2003, 11:07 AM	#2
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	I say GSR engine. You can always turbo later. The GSR compression is not that bad to turbo. There are so many misconception about mid range compression + turbo. Get a GSR swap and start with a higher base HP. An LS engine is not bad neither but your $3500 will not be enough with an LS plus turbo especially if you get a turbo kit. The turbo kit alone will run u dry. Are you doing the labor yourself? If you want to be a little different, try a B20 swap. It has a higher torque base and is a great platform to turbo as well.... __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 11:13 AM	#5
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	All GSR's are B18c1 engines. Any of them will suffice. An LS/VTEC can de done with a little over what you are paying for an LS swap. It all depends on where you're getting it done from. A CRVTEC is just about the same. But it is hard to find a B20 engine. An LS/VTEC and turbo can be an amazing machine man, eventhough I'm not a fan of the conversion. This coonversion can be unreliable, IMO...... __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 11:17 AM	#7
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	Where are u located? If you're in SoCal, try: www.ARDperformance.com or www.speedupgrade.com U might be able to get the engines from them. Installation is another story.... __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 11:23 AM	#9
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	Are you willing to drive to Virginia Beach? If so, email me at arceoa@porter.navy.mil There is an awesome shop here who can help u out..... __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 11:10 AM	#3
Ryub Posts: n/a	What model GSR would be the best deal for me ?

07-16-2003, 11:12 AM	#4
Ryub Posts: n/a	or should i just go with the ls/vtec....and then later put on a turbo...how much would the ls/vtec run me...I want to do it right...preferable the b20

07-16-2003, 11:15 AM	#6
Ryub Posts: n/a	whats the cheapest place to get one?

07-16-2003, 12:36 PM	#10
Ryub Posts: n/a	yeah i am willing to driving to viriginia..it isnt far from..what is the name of the shop..and what are the prices....

07-16-2003, 12:45 PM	#11
Ryub Posts: n/a	i dont mind spending 3500 and getting my car up to about 200 hp, i can wait on the turbo....later after my motor is built up to the max for it

07-16-2003, 01:09 PM	#12
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 48 Posts: 2,693	^ you won't have 200 hp with ANY swap.... unless you get a REALLY good running type R... but that's certainly not 3500... also I'm not trying to insult you but I think you should save the money and do a LOT more research... you don't want to jump into this by throwing money and praying... there should be a plan based on YOUR knowledge and experience of what you want in the long run and the best way to go about it... if you ask me making any non-vtec into a vtec is a silly idea... if you want vtec get a vtec block... the non-vtec blocks are NOT designed for high reving and generally don't last too long... sure you COULD be the exception but I HIGHLY doubt it... If I were you I'd get a gsr or ls swap... if you go ls, the turbo down the line should get you to whatever goals you have if you have the money... Same goes for the gsr but with a little more cost up front but more power and the ability to hold the gears for a little longer... In my opinion the best thing to do would be to figure out what YOU want.. by reading and doing research not by just asking what someone else thinks... just my .02 __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

07-16-2003, 02:07 PM	#13
Ryub Posts: n/a	I am going with the gsr swap and turbo it up later....trying to find a place with the cheapest gsr .....i'll worry about the turbo at the end of the yr

07-16-2003, 02:28 PM	#14
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	I PM'd you Ryub __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 02:30 PM	#15
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	what model civic do you have???

07-16-2003, 02:35 PM	#16
Ryub Posts: n/a	i have a 94 civic ex 2 door ...what does PM mean? this is my first day on the forum

07-16-2003, 02:42 PM	#17
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	have you considered just turbocharging the motor you have? You dont gotta do a swap to be fast.

07-16-2003, 02:49 PM	#18
Ryub Posts: n/a	I thought about just turboing up the motor i have but i would like to have a faster motor to play with plus the gsr would be able to handle more power

07-16-2003, 02:53 PM	#19
Ryub Posts: n/a	thermalfi'd16 I didnt not get your PM yet

07-16-2003, 02:58 PM	#20
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	PM= Private Message It should be there now bro...... __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 03:04 PM	#21
Ryub Posts: n/a	thanks man....let me check

07-16-2003, 03:09 PM	#22
Ryub Posts: n/a	Where can i purchase a GSR motor for the best price....

07-16-2003, 05:08 PM	#23
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 42 Posts: 10,579	how long has this thread been here?! How did I miss it completely?...I mean Im here ALL THE DAMN TIME...........yeah...... anyways... www.hmotorsonline.com is the most highly praised online shop for honda motors, besides www.importautosalvage.com. Both are very good and will give you a decent price on GOOD CLEAN motors

07-16-2003, 07:13 PM	#24
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	It started today man. You're okay . It just happened to be that we were both online at the same time. __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

07-16-2003, 10:41 PM	#26
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 48 Posts: 2,693	A built turbo d16 won't make the same power as a stock turboed gsr... and it won't have ANYWHERE near the torque either... I'm not slamming turboed D's but if he's looking for big power in the end, dumping money into a d16 is NOT the answer. So what are your power goals? __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

07-16-2003, 11:22 PM	#27
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	I think if your looking for a car to make big power with, a civic is not the answer. In the beginning everyones looking to make BIG power till they realize that a FWD car isnt really worth dumping all kinds of money into. There are people making +300hp with just aftermarket pistons/rods(about 1k$) in dseries engines.(and a turbo, obviously) Last edited by AzCivic : 07-17-2003 at 01:50 PM.

07-17-2003, 07:28 AM	#28
Ryub Posts: n/a	I'm hoping to hit around over 300 hp after i am down with the swap and the turbo if possible. I'll be happy with 300 hp on the two door civic

07-17-2003, 02:31 PM	#29
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 48 Posts: 2,693	^you want another platform... a 300hp civic will be all but undrivable... unless that's a peak number... even with a dif you'll be doing nothing but spinning wheels... Is this a track car only or street driven? Is this your first car... or first project? __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

07-17-2003, 02:36 PM	#30
Ryub Posts: n/a	this is my first project...i have a couple of other cars to drive arouind

08-29-2003, 09:45 AM	#31
Ryub Posts: n/a	So what GSR motor do I go with ...the easy to fit into a 94 Civic EX 2 Door coupe.....

08-30-2003, 01:30 PM	#32
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 48 Posts: 2,693	Like has already been said like 50 times.... ANY gsr motor will do... obd1 will be easier to wire... either way... I don't think you have ANYWHERE near the amount of info you need to make a good decision.. or to end up with anything... Are you going to be doing this yourself or sending it to a shop? If a shop then let them decide... they'll do what they do... If it's you then I think you have a LOT more research to do. __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

08-30-2003, 02:04 PM	#33
Shaved &/or Laid 4th Gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 39 Posts: 853	yeah man. GSR is ONE KIND of motor. b18c1 period. theres no better kind of GSR they are all the same. also, try looking into homemadeturbo.com. Maybe youll be able to throw some kinda junkyard turbo setup on there. A prefab kit is no better, just a little less work for a WHOLE LOT more money. also, if you know anyone from hondatech, they might be able to get you a hookup on the DRAG turbo kit cauyse theres a place selling htem really reall really cheap to ht members, if hteyre still doing it. www.honda-tech.com is a good place to ask questions too. Theyre a more advanced forum as far as pure speed/ functional cars. __________________ Doody Ej1 Yse.

09-02-2003, 01:04 AM	#35
jaberg00 Posts: n/a	well u got a bit of money aight, this is what u do Get a B20B thats 126hp or B20Z which is 146hp i would get that B20Z it only cost about $800 search for a b16a or b18c1 head and bolt it up, that combo is better than the GSR it self way mor torque and hp, then i would suggest u get a LS tranny, and like that guy said well he dont kno what he is talking about the non-Vetc block can withstand high rev trush me.

09-05-2003, 07:37 PM	#36
Shaved &/or Laid 4th Gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 39 Posts: 853	yeah with a turbo and i assumed he wanted the same model year. my bad __________________ Doody Ej1 Yse.

09-12-2003, 01:48 PM	#37
drdingo21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Elkhart, IN Age: 42 Posts: 1,642	Im surprised this idea hasn't been throwen out yet... There is also the 225 hp H22 engine from a prelude. The engine itself is around 2k but you will have to upgrade the suspension of the car. Its not near as bad as most people make it out to be. I drove one 2 weeks ago (the guy had just under 3k invested in it) the car handled great (don't remeber what upgrades he did to the suspension) and it was defintly fast. Most people shoot down this idea because the engine is some work to fit into a civic, but once its done it is bad ass.

09-12-2003, 02:02 PM	#38
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	youre forgetting the problem of breaking axles, NOT due to the extra power but due to the akward angle they sit at in a civic w/ a h22.