Originally posted by chase i couldnt agree with you more. he has much better grip than the bone stock civic. he has larger and wider tires, he also has a drop, how much is really unimportant as the lower center of gravity will help some also. he also has larger sway bars and stabilizer bars. on top of the suspension stuff, the exhaust and intake will free up a little extra hp,. not a ton but hell even if its 5 hp thats more than the other guy. even if it is negated by the weight of the tires and wheels, he will be able to take the corners better by the better grip.