Lightened Flywheels

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

I'm just curious to hear some views on getting a lightened flywheel.

I know they make the revs drop/rise faster, make it easier to bog off the line, etc. I also know that they will improve acceleration, more in the low gears than higher gears.

I would just like to know how "streetable" they are. I'm going to be changing my clutch sometime in the near future, and I was looking at throwing a lightened flywheel in at the same time to save labor. If they make it too difficult to drive, I'm not going to do it though. I don't have very much done to my car right now, but since I need a new clutch anyways... :yes:

Thanks for any help :cool:

[BlazinCrx]

light weight flywheels kick ass, and paired with that act clutch you are looking at, you will love it.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
I'm just curious to hear some views on getting a lightened flywheel.

I know they make the revs drop/rise faster, make it easier to bog off the line, etc. I also know that they will improve acceleration, more in the low gears than higher gears.

I would just like to know how "streetable" they are. I'm going to be changing my clutch sometime in the near future, and I was looking at throwing a lightened flywheel in at the same time to save labor. If they make it too difficult to drive, I'm not going to do it though. I don't have very much done to my car right now, but since I need a new clutch anyways... :yes:

Thanks for any help :cool:

Im still toying with the idea.. I just have to convince myself to pay for it.. I have the clutch sitting at home already, Im trying to decide if I want to get it yet.. I heard it really rocks with a Turbo..:yes:

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

What are some good quality flywheels out there that won't kill my wallet? I'm also thinking that I don't want an ultra-light flywheel for street driving, right?

And yeah BlazinCRX, I haven't forgotten about getting that clutch from you :)

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
What are some good quality flywheels out there that won't kill my wallet? I'm also thinking that I don't want an ultra-light flywheel for street driving, right?

And yeah BlazinCRX, I haven't forgotten about getting that clutch from you :)

Theres a groupbuy going on For clutchmaster flywheel for $280 shipped.

Clutch Master Flywheel Group Buy (http://www.groupbuycenter.com/buy.asp?row_id=4195)

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Thanks for the link RR

The only thing I'm concerned about it going to a 7.5 lb flywheel. That is extremely light, and from what I've heard, it will be a pain to start from lights, etc. each time. Any truth to that?

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
Thanks for the link RR

The only thing I'm concerned about it going to a 7.5 lb flywheel. That is extremely light, and from what I've heard, it will be a pain to start from lights, etc. each time. Any truth to that?

Thats my set back too.. Sometimes I have a hard enough time driving.. I couldnt imagine this helping.. lol

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Yeah, when you get your turbo though, you will really benefit from a lightened flywheel.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Anyone else have opinions/experiences with lightened flywheels?

[Accord Man]

Hello Fellas!

It really isnt harder to launch a car with a lighter flywheel.


You will have adapte you driving methods..


It's a bit lik getting used to driving a stock Accord, then going to an S2000.. (S2000 rock!!)

It will take a little more concentration for the frist times, but you'll get the hang of it.


No big deal.

:)

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Thanks Accord Man :cool:

[Addict]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


Thats my set back too.. Sometimes I have a hard enough time driving.. I couldnt imagine this helping.. lol

Yeah I have that issue too... Weren't we just discussing this?;)

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Yeah I have that issue too... Weren't we just discussing this?;)

Umm why yes.. I think we were... Your issues stem why beyond the Flywheel tho... :eek: :rolleyes: I cant believe that stuff with the tranny..

[Accord Man]

Your synchro's on 2nd & 3rd were messed up right?

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Accord Man
Your synchro's on 2nd & 3rd were messed up right?

They have to rebuild his transmisson...

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


They have to rebuild his transmisson...

That kinda sucks..

they should give him a full new tranny!

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by Accord Man


That kinda sucks..

they should give him a full new tranny!

true...

[Addict]

Originally posted by Accord Man


That kinda sucks..

they should give him a full new tranny!

No. That really sucks. Fortunately I have a warranty on it. And with all the parts the are replacing it will very close to new.

Its the actual gears that they have to replace along with some retainers. Pretty crazy.....

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Thanks for jacking my topic guys :no:


j/k :P


Any others on this board have anything to say on this topic? Thanks for the replies I've gotten, but I know someone else has something to say :)

[Addict]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
Thanks for jacking my topic guys :no: ...


No problem! ;)

I honestly wouldn't get one unless you had a pretty hefty build or were planning on a strip only car. Wouldn't make much sense anyway.....

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Wouldn't make much sense anyway.....

Well, I was told that it is a good bang for the buck, and I'm getting a clutch anyway.

Are you saying it doesn't make sense b/c you won't see any gains from it? Either that or non-streetability would be the main reasons I wouldn't get one. Other than that, I feel that every little bit helps, as I'm planning on upgrading much more on my car in the future.

[Addict]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX


Well, I was told that it is a good bang for the buck, and I'm getting a clutch anyway.

Are you saying it doesn't make sense b/c you won't see any gains from it? Either that or non-streetability would be the main reasons I wouldn't get one. Other than that, I feel that every little bit helps, as I'm planning on upgrading much more on my car in the future.

Well what I'm saying is that unless you've got some serious mods(Turbo, SC, N2O, or heavy NA), I doubt it'd be that beneficial. Not to mention that would annoy me just driving around town.

That money could be put towards other mods. Maybe down the road it'd be a good investment.

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by Civic_Addict


Well what I'm saying is that unless you've got some serious mods(Turbo, SC, N2O, or heavy NA), I doubt it'd be that beneficial. Not to mention that would annoy me just driving around town.

That money could be put towards other mods. Maybe down the road it'd be a good investment.

Definately worth it IMO. If you drive even a little in an aggressive way, its worth it.


For daily driving, there's nothing anoying about it. Give a little more gas, get off the clutch musch faster.. During which time, you're not actually burning the clutch!

[Addict]

Originally posted by Accord Man


Definately worth it IMO. If you drive even a little in an aggressive way, its worth it.


Well I'm not saying its not worth it at all. I'm saying that unless he has some mods, its not all that worth while. You could divert that money into other mods. Then maybe the flywheel upgrade would be more helpful.

[Accord Man]

Ya but since he will be doing more..

Anyways..

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Civic_Addict, I appreciate you opinion, but I think that I'd do it now so I wouldn't have to pay so much labor in the future.

Accord Man - thanks again for the info

One more question though... are there any that weigh around 10-11 lbs instead of 7-8?

[Accord Man]

uh.. SPecs of each, I dont really know..

BlazinCrx is your best bet.


:)

[B18C-EJ1]

Worth every penny in my book! Very streetable, and I've had one for about 3 years now.

If you go the groupbuycenter.com you'll find the clutchmasters flywheels on there from nrg-racing.com

$280 shipped!

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Sounds good then. I guess its between ClutchMasters - 7lb and Fidanza (sp?) - 8 lb.

I've heard good things about both, but that groupbuy is a pretty good price.

[Accord Man]

Sitck with Clutchmaster..

[B18C-EJ1]

Originally posted by Accord Man
Sitck with Clutchmaster..

It's funny you say that.

I guess most people don't know....

Clutchmasters flywheel = Fidanza flywheel.

That's right, clutchmasters has Fidanza make the flywheel for them.

They're identical units.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by B18C-EJ1


It's funny you say that.

I guess most people don't know....

Clutchmasters flywheel = Fidanza flywheel.

That's right, clutchmasters has Fidanza make the flywheel for them.

They're identical units.


Thanks, that is good info :yes:

[Accord Man]

Really?

I had no clue.

I suggested Clutchmaster, cause thats the choice of my racer friends.
Never really had problems with em.

However with the Fidanza, 2-3 guys had issues with em.. 1 was at the install..


Do they both use the same quality controle?

[B18C-EJ1]

Originally posted by Accord Man
Really?

I had no clue.

I suggested Clutchmaster, cause thats the choice of my racer friends.
Never really had problems with em.

However with the Fidanza, 2-3 guys had issues with em.. 1 was at the install..


Do they both use the same quality controle?

Did you not read my post? I'll word it again for you.

Clutchmasters has FIDANZA make the flywheels for them.

Is that clear enough?

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by B18C-EJ1


Did you not read my post? I'll word it again for you.

Clutchmasters has FIDANZA make the flywheels for them.

Is that clear enough?



Why the hostility?

Obviously I read your post.

It's entirely possible for a company that has its products built by another, benifits from a higher level of quatliy than the identical product sold under a different social reason (NAME), manufactured by the mother co.

It's even possible for, within the same co, different levels of quality controle be established. This is the case in 95% of the companies in Asia which manufacture for export.
For example, Sony Corp.'s product which is destined to the North American market will be of a superior quality than the same product destined for the South American market (or equivalent markets).

I'll give you an example that is closer to our situation. LG and Goldstar. LG is the subsidiary of Goldstar. Now guess who has a higher level of quality controle. You guessed right! Goldstar's standardization plateau is not even in the same league as LG's.
Funny isnt it? 2 identical products sold under different brand names aren't even of the same quality.


That's what I meant.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by B18C-EJ1


Did you not read my post? I'll word it again for you.

Clutchmasters has FIDANZA make the flywheels for them.

Is that clear enough?

Come one man, we don't need the attitude, he's just asking a question. Accord Man has an entirely valid point in his post.

[B18C-EJ1]

Well, in response I wasn't hostile, just to the point. And since you all don't know me very well, I'll say this. If I do get hostile you'll know it.

I was trying to be informative about the flywheels, and when people don't read what I post, I get a bit upset. I never beat around the bush, I just get to the nitty gritty.

Is it possible that Fidanza had some problems with their flywheels?, sure, I'll go with that.

Here's the deal. And I talked with Fidanza directly about the CM flywheels.

Fidanza sells clutchmasters their (Fidanza) flywheels. They make a few revisions, the color is different (blue for CM, silver for Fidanza) and Fidanze engraves the CM logo into the flywheel for them, other than that, they are identical units.

So, if Fidanza has problems, it's most likely that Clutchmasters will have the same problems.

I personally have had a Fidanza flywheel for about 2 years now, and have no problem. The offer excellent product support and you can easily get replacement disks if necessary.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

I have another flywheel question guys. I'm ordering an ACT clutch tomorrow (HA3-HDSS), and SOHFAST sells a stock lightened flywheel for $150 +$75 core. It weighs 13 lbs (which is about the weight I wanted to start with). This is 7 lbs off the stock flywheel if I'm correct. Jerome Soh says this is totally safe as long as you don't exceed 500 RPMs over redline. Is this a safe thing to have? Any comments?

Thanks :cool:

[Addict]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
I have another flywheel question guys. I'm ordering an ACT clutch tomorrow (HA3-HDSS), and SOHFAST sells a stock lightened flywheel for $150 +$75 core. It weighs 13 lbs (which is about the weight I wanted to start with). This is 7 lbs off the stock flywheel if I'm correct. Jerome Soh says this is totally safe as long as you don't exceed 500 RPMs over redline. Is this a safe thing to have? Any comments?

Thanks :cool:

My concern would be if it was balanced. If he, or whoever, didn't balance it after they lightened it correctly it could cause some issues. Just a thought.

[Accord Man]

I dunno about the flywheel man..

IS it warrantied? Is this guy certified??

:confused:


Wouldnt you rather go aftermarket?

[Racing Rice]

He is pretty big in the race world he should know what hes talking about.. The problem I have with the flywheel is, all it is, is a stock flywheel that been machined. Youll probably be ok as long as its been balanced correctly and everything.

[Accord Man]

Ditto, even if the guys says that the strength and integrity of the flywheel is the same.. I dunno, cause the original manufacturer wouldnt put the extra metal in for fun.. you know what i'm saying??

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Well, he claims that it is balanced to withing stock specs, but I am skeptical also. He's been around and should know what he's doing, but still... I really don't want to go aftermarket and spend $300 when I can get this. I'd rather put the extra money toward suspension. Well, if I don't do this, I'll probably just stay stock as far as the flywheel goes.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Well guys, I don't like to do anything half-assed, so I'm not going to get this flywheel. There's a good group buy going on for the clutch alone, so I'm going to do that. I was going to get it from BlazinCRX, but he's going to be busy for awhile and isn't starting any new sales.

Here's the quote that Jerome Soh gave me... The flywheel is balanced to within factory specs. We haven't shaved 10 lbs. We've only shaved about 7 lbs. This is totally safe for street use as long as the rev's don't exceed 500 rpm over the stock redline.


500 rpms over redline isn't that much, and I just don't want to mess with it.

Thanks for the help guys :)

[Accord Man]

Wise choice.

Well Trev, I hope everything goes down smooth with the clutch.

;)

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by Accord Man
Wise choice.

Well Trev, I hope everything goes down smooth with the clutch.

;)

Thanks JP. I just ordered it, so it should be here middle of next week hopefully. I wish I didn't need a clutch though, I really want to do my suspension ;( ;)

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX


Thanks JP. I just ordered it, so it should be here middle of next week hopefully. I wish I didn't need a clutch though, I really want to do my suspension ;( ;)

YA it makes a while you've been talking about the suspension..

Hey, you still didnt post any pics of your car!!?? :eek: :confused: :P

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by 94_AcCoRd_EX
500 rpms over redline isn't that much, and I just don't want to mess with it.

Thanks for the help guys :)

Not to mention if you ever got a new cam that would do like 8800 RPMs... Youd kinda be screwed..:rolleyes:

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by Accord Man


YA it makes a while you've been talking about the suspension..

Hey, you still didnt post any pics of your car!!?? :eek: :confused: :P

Yeah, one thing at a time. Other expenses keep popping up, and it just gets thrown on the back burner.

Hey, I'm going to my parents' house this weekend and they have a nice digi cam. Maybe I'll wash my car and take some pics. Not like you haven't seen a stock looking Accord before though. :P

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by Racing Rice


Not to mention if you ever got a new cam that would do like 8800 RPMs... Youd kinda be screwed..:rolleyes:

Yeah, I'd rather not limit myself at the time being.:yes:

[Incubus]

Lightweight flywheels kick ass. I've had mine for about a year and a half now and I never noticed any problem associated with launching or anything, plus when you throw revs it's nice and quick and aggressive.
One thing, when I installed mine, a day later when I started my car I was grinding the starter. It made the sound like if the car is already running and you try to start it. Anyway, the problem was fairly simple, the flywheel was made so well, as opposed to the stock one that the starter wasn't lining up correctly every time when I started the engine. So the mechanic dude bevelled the starter and I haven't had a problem since.

[hondabob]

So, would you guy say that a 7 lb flywheel is a bad choice for a stock clutch on a '96 Civic Ex? I want faster revs and a little more acceleration, but will I be ok with that light of a flywheel? It is a clutchmaster for $280. I drive well with my manual and don't have a hard time with it. I don't want to get it if I can't safely install it right now without a new clutch. ???:crazy: