Mitsubishi Eclipses are so much better.. [Archive]

GT40FIED

02-13-2003, 03:28 AM

Wow...tough talk for a guy with (at the moment) 3 posts. If there's one thing I've learned from branching out onto other message boards it's that with the right amount of work just about any car can be fast (relative to stock, that is). Stock vs. stock you're probably right. A GSX probably would kick a Civic in the ass. But Civics have some potential for their size and motor availability. And for that matter...GSX's aren't that great if you think about it. Lemme run down to the local Ford dealer and pick up an '03 Cobra or a Mach 1 and we'll see who comes out on top. Now I'm sure you'd whine that such a race isn't fair...but look at the arguement you're making. GSX's are kind of cool cars but they aren't the end-all-be-all car so please, for my sanity's sake, don't knock other cars that have potential.

ford50forlife

02-13-2003, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Wow...tough talk for a guy with (at the moment) 3 posts. If there's one thing I've learned from branching out onto other message boards it's that with the right amount of work just about any car can be fast (relative to stock, that is). Stock vs. stock you're probably right. A GSX probably would kick a Civic in the ass. But Civics have some potential for their size and motor availability. And for that matter...GSX's aren't that great if you think about it. Lemme run down to the local Ford dealer and pick up an '03 Cobra or a Mach 1 and we'll see who comes out on top. Now I'm sure you'd whine that such a race isn't fair...but look at the arguement you're making. GSX's are kind of cool cars but they aren't the end-all-be-all car so please, for my sanity's sake, don't knock other cars that have potential.

word, this guys never gonna come back prolly...

drdingo21

02-13-2003, 04:27 AM

awhile ago there were a couple od bmw dicks just going around and posting stupid stuff about honda in genral. People like this piss me off, the gsx is turbo charged and if remeber right awd. vs a 1.6 civic... hhmmm

I agree with GT40FIED. well put

TonitrusEN

02-13-2003, 05:21 AM

Yea the GSX would win.. til the tranny fell out..

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 07:06 AM

Not another one..:no:

Lets compare a couple facts..

Take a new GSX (I know there arent any GSXs anymore, that aught to tell you something right there.)..Take a new civic... A new GSX use to cost around $30K and new civic, about $18K. Insurance is a killer, they dont get that great of gas mileage, they arent that reliable, they are a b!tch to work on. I have several friends with DSMs. They are cool, but they arent anything special. It basically boils down to what you like, and what you want.

Why did you waste your money on a GSX when you coulda bought a Formula1 TA?

Go back to your DSM board and stop trolling here. If you want to learn something good. If not, we can arrange for your disposal.;)

pdiggitydogg

02-13-2003, 07:34 AM

you know the big point is that the damn gsx has a turbo stock and the si doesnt...so if the dsm didnt beat the honda...theres something seriously wrong with it...and as much as I know about their reliability...it wouldnt surprise me

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by IronMike
than civics...why is there such a fuss over civics? any GSX would rip apart any Si...

please explain this..

Quite true, but that is not why we modify Civics. By the way, have you just come to this board to start trouble? If you have, you should leave.

ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 11:05 AM

are you retarted? i dont think anyone would think a civic is better than a gsx... ive seen some guy i know go through a few engines and locked his transfer case though. my friend has a tsi talon(same as a gst eclipse) and it was fast. your the kind of person who is going to buy a ferrari and go make fun of people who drive neons. get a life troll.

IronMike

02-13-2003, 11:06 AM

IronMike

02-13-2003, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
are you retarted? i dont think anyone would think a civic is better than a gsx... ive seen some guy i know go through a few engines and locked his transfer case though. my friend has a tsi talon(same as a gst eclipse) and it was fast. your the kind of person who is going to buy a ferrari and go make fun of people who drive neons. get a life troll.
the difference between a Turbo Eclipse, and a Civic Si...isnt very far to begin with.
certainly not like comparing a ferrari and a neon. therefore your argument is invalid, next.

ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by IronMike
the difference between a Turbo Eclipse, and a Civic Si...isnt very far to begin with.
certainly not like comparing a ferrari and a neon. therefore your argument is invalid, next.
i would put a turbo eclipse/talon way above a civic si. im just saying your going to a class of cars under you. it was an overexageration to make a point. you own a suppioror car to a civic... theres no getting around it. AWD turbo>fwd n/a i know the potential of a properly working 4g63, and apparently you think all honda peple dont. i sugest if your looking for a fight go check out supraforums or rx7club. maybe you should look into racing wrx's and lancer evo8's when they make it over. find someone thats actualy a race. i dont find fun in picking on cars weaker than me, too bad you havnt got the memo that said the world grew up

IronMike

02-13-2003, 11:17 AM

thank you, i was just trying to prove the point that Eclipses are better cars, ;)

ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by IronMike
thank you, i was just trying to prove the point that Eclipses are better cars, ;)
are you ****ing serious? you felt the need to trash a car to prove that? ciivcs have potential but ive seen too many 11 second street gsx's to not give them credit where due

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 11:33 AM

Any car with a Turbo is cool, add all wheel drive to it and it just makes it even better. A GSX isnt an econobox like a civic is. It was never claimed to be either.

As for the GSX being better then a civic, in a performance aspect your right. But for an overall car, it just depends on your taste.

The WRX is better then your GSX IMO. That does mean that the GSX is crap, it just mean that I like the WRX better.;)

second, the new GSX's were not 30k

Oh, my bad.. $27K + options, Is that better?:crazy:

HondaTypeJ

02-13-2003, 12:25 PM

ya know what guys, it's true eclipse's are better

Civickid0to60

02-13-2003, 12:47 PM

dude your so gay, number one my friends eclipse had been in the shop 18 times before i even had to get a checkup for the first time. Second, just because they are faster stock doesnt rule civics out. They have a stock turbo and thats it, you spend 3000 on a greddy turbo kit, and work on the engine a bit to the point where a civic souped up couldnt touch it, then you have a nice car. thats my opinion.

ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Civickid0to60
dude your so gay, number one my friends eclipse had been in the shop 18 times before i even had to get a checkup for the first time. Second, just because they are faster stock doesnt rule civics out. They have a stock turbo and thats it, you spend 3000 on a greddy turbo kit, and work on the engine a bit to the point where a civic souped up couldnt touch it, then you have a nice car. thats my opinion.
dude... not to bash you, but 3000 into that car and you wont touch it. my friend has *edit* $500 *edit* into his and he's running 13.9. stock internals and a 100k mile turbo.

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
thank you, i was just trying to prove the point that Eclipses are better cars, ;)

Its all a matter of what you are into as an enthusiast. A civic just happened to be the best choice for me at the time when i bought it. I needed a reliable car, that got good gas milage, and a civic was the best choice. Now, i want to get reliablility and make my car more fun to drive - therefore, i want to modify my civic.

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
dude... not to bash you, but 3000 into that car and you wont touch it. my friend has *edit* $500 *edit* into his and he's running 13.9. stock internals and a 100k mile turbo.

This is true.. Stock turbo cars have a big advantage from the factory since thier motors are built to handle boost. Usually a couple hundred dollars and cranking up the boost a little will drop an easy second of the time. It goes the same way with about any stock turbod car. You cant beat them in terms of power per dollar for mods.. :no:

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
This is true.. Stock turbo cars have a big advantage from the factory since thier motors are built to handle boost. Usually a couple hundred dollars and cranking up the boost a little will drop an easy second of the time. It goes the same way with about any stock turbod car. You cant beat them in terms of power per dollar for mods.. :no:

That is true, but then you need to remind yourself why you bought a Civic. You got it because you wanted a reliable car - DSM's do not fit that description. BTW - one could put a greddy turbo (2k with Intercooler) on their Civic Ex and set the boost at 7psi - that would level the playing field (and the price range)between the civic and a turbo eclipse.

firstgeardude

02-13-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
therefore your argument is invalid, next.

NO.. your arguement is invalid... Fatty

AJ1978TA

02-13-2003, 01:16 PM

Of course you think your GSX is the shit, you haven't gotten crank walk........yet. ;) I like the 2G DSM's a lot, and I am thinking of getting one for a next car, but with my luck, I'll get ****ing crank walk, or the tranny will take a shit when I get a bigger turbo, etc etc. Speed costs money, no matter what. There is no way around it...........................I agree with you on the point about "what's all the fuss about civics...." ;) But you can make some of them fast for a reasonable price, it's just however you want to do it..................size of the pockets win the race.........my goddamn mullet mobile won't be going much faster until I change everything over again and get ino the tranny, rear, and driveshaft as well. I'm broke as ****, so I will continue to get stomped.......:no:

spoogenet

02-13-2003, 01:25 PM

A GSX is no better a car than a Civic and vice versa. What makes one car better than another is purely a matter of perspective and opinion, not fact. You could argue all day that a 360 Modena is a better car than my '88 Volvo but it would be a meaningless waste of your time to do so, cuz I'll just tell you to come back with a 360 Modena that has a lot more than 200k miles on it and we'll compare mechanic and gas bills. You'll argue that your 360 outruns my Volvo and I'll argue I pay a hell of a lot less each month. You'll claim you've got a better car, I'll claim I've got a better car.

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Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by cashizslick
That is true, but then you need to remind yourself why you bought a Civic. You got it because you wanted a reliable car - DSM's do not fit that description. BTW - one could put a greddy turbo (2k with Intercooler) on their Civic Ex and set the boost at 7psi - that would level the playing field (and the price range)between the civic and a turbo eclipse.

You could put a $2K on a civic, and boost at 7 psi. Youd probably be running Mid to high 14s if your a decent driver..

Now think about it from this perspective. If you bought a honda for reliability, you have just compromised the reliability by adding the turbo. You now probably have more reliability from a stock Turbocharged car. ;)

A 1.8L VW motor can put out nearly 400Hp on stock internals. Try that with a Turbocharged Honda Civic on stock internals, it wont happened because they arent made for that.

Im not saying civics are bad, They arent.. Civics are decent little cars and do the job they are intended too. Like I said before, it all just depends on what you like and what you want to accomplish. If you dont mind spending a ton of money to make a stock NA car fast, cool..

The moral of the story is, instead of Bashing eachother's cars.. Why dont we try to evolve the sport together so we all can enjoy it. :)

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
You could put a $2K on a civic, and boost at 7 psi. Youd probably be running Mid to high 14s if your a decent driver..

Dont Turbo eclipses run mid 14's? I thought they did. And yes, i couldnt agree more with your point - do what you want with your car, dont let anybody try to convince you otherwise.

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by cashizslick
Dont Turbo eclipses run mid 14's? I thought they did. And yes, i couldnt agree more with your point - do what you want with your car, dont let anybody try to convince you otherwise.

Yes a stock one will run higher 14s. But the key word is stock. The thing about it is, you still have room for improvements unlike the civic which you have to start dropping compression and such to increase boost over 7 psi and keep it pretty reliable.

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Yes a stock one will run higher 14s. But the key word is stock. The thing about it is, you still have room for improvements unlike the civic which you have to start dropping compression and such to increase boost over 7 psi and keep it pretty reliable.

True, i agree, but dont turbo eclipses cost at least 2k more than Civics? If so, then by spending 2k on your Civic, you have just given your car the performance of a turbo eclipse for less money.

Now, not that i agree with this perspective, but i do understand that the eclipse is made for the turbo as the Civic is not - and one could turn up the boost on their eclipse or talon and have a faster car for virtually no money.

Addict

02-13-2003, 01:53 PM

Where'd the DSM trolls come from?

Yes the Eclipses are a "god-send". I'm not sure what the world would do without them.

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by cashizslick
True, i agree, but dont turbo eclipses cost at least 2k more than Civics? If so, then by spending 2k on your Civic, you have just given your car the performance of a turbo eclipse for less money.

Yeah, for the first half of the race.. You would have less money in it.. But by the end of the race you would either be slower or have more money in it.;)

IronMike

02-13-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by HondaTypeJ
ya know what guys, it's true eclipse's are better
there ya go, glad i changed ya over :yes:

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Where'd the DSM trolls come from?

Yes the Eclipses are a "god-send". I'm not sure what the world would do without them.

True, i wouldnt mind having a Talon TSI instead of my car.

IronMike

02-13-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by firstgeardude
NO.. your arguement is invalid... Fatty
yous ****ers need to learn how to spell. :paranoid:

IronMike

02-13-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by cashizslick
True, i wouldnt mind having a Talon TSI instead of my car.
ahah..even your fellow civic owners are turning againist civics

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
yous ****ers need to learn how to spell. :paranoid:

WTF is a yous? You my friend have no room to talk.:o

IronMike

02-13-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
WTF is a yous? You my friend have no room to talk.:o
you edited my post, very funny

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
you edited my post, very funny

:D

Yeah, sure.. I would have messed it up worse then that.

IronMike

02-13-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by a96710
eclipse do look better then civics though IMO
:bow:

Addict

02-13-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
ahah..even your fellow civic owners are turning againist civics

Just because he likes other cars doesn't mean he's "turning against" us. I like cars other than Hondas. I just hate most of the drivers in them.;)

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
ahah..even your fellow civic owners are turning againist civics

Nope, wrong, i wouldnt turn on my civic - i like it - even if it is a little slower than an eclipse.

IronMike

02-13-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Just because he likes other cars doesn't mean he's "turning against" us. I like cars other than Hondas. I just hate most of the drivers in them.;)
dont give me your technical BS..

he-said-he-would-rather-own-a-DSM-then-his-civic!
and since those are the two cars we are talking about, hes on my side
thank you,

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
:bow:

The new eclipses look ugly.

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
:bow:

Exactly what are you trying to accomplish? Just because we like Eclipses doesnt mean we dont like civics or visa versa. A true car enthusiast likes all cars. Im down for a Turbocharged Mazda powered Festiva that runs 13s. That doesnt mean that I dont like civics.

Grow up bro. You not doing anything but wasting bandwidth.:rolleyes:

RU_Teg

02-13-2003, 02:12 PM

hmmm...someone keeps messin' around with Jason's post...he thinks eclipse's are ugly and so do I...:loco:

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
dont give me your technical BS..

he-said-he-would-rather-own-a-DSM-then-his-civic!
and since those are the two cars we are talking about, hes on my side
thank you,

Im not on ur side, i do like DSM's, but i dont want one - i want my civic. Sure it will take more money for me to make my civic fast, but i dont care. I dont care about the fact that i have to drop 3k on putting a B18C1 in my car this summer - so what?

Addict

02-13-2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
dont give me your technical BS..

he-said-he-would-rather-own-a-DSM-then-his-civic!
and since those are the two cars we are talking about, hes on my side
thank you,
Technical?

I guess I'm using the big words. Let me see if I can break it down for you.

Cars are good. Me like cars. Me no like the drivers of most cars.

Simple enough for you cave man?

cashizslick

02-13-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Technical?

I guess I'm using the big words. Let me see if I can break it down for you.

Cars are good. Me like cars. Me no like the drivers of most cars.

Simple enough for you cave man?

Cave men do not have a written language - they only understand grunting noises (you are still confusing him).

ford50forlife

02-13-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Not another one..:no:

Lets compare a couple facts..

Take a new GSX (I know there arent any GSXs anymore, that aught to tell you something right there.)..Take a new civic... A new GSX use to cost around $30K and new civic, about $18K. Insurance is a killer, they dont get that great of gas mileage, they arent that reliable, they are a b!tch to work on. I have several friends with DSMs. They are cool, but they arent anything special. It basically boils down to what you like, and what you want.

Why did you waste your money on a GSX when you coulda bought a Formula1 TA?

Go back to your DSM board and stop trolling here. If you want to learn something good. If not, we can arrange for your disposal.;)

im sorry if this was already adressed but.... i definately have to disagree that they are hard to work on lol, guess what? they are on of the reasons thats people started working on there own cars.... at least the first gens were ;)

firstgeardude

02-13-2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by IronMike
yous ****ers need to learn how to spell. :paranoid:

Originally posted by Racing Rice
WTF is a yous? You my friend have no room to talk.:o

Originally posted by Civic_Addict
Technical?

I guess I'm using the big words. Let me see if I can break it down for you.

Cars are good. Me like cars. Me no like the drivers of most cars.

Simple enough for you cave man?

*Cough* IronMike is a REJECT *Cough*

ford50forlife

02-13-2003, 03:01 PM

Now honestly i think ironmikes arguement holds truth, a STOCK gsx would rip apart a stock si, roll stop you name it. and we are AND ARE SUPPOSSED to be argueing stock to stock PERFORMANCE. hes entitled to his opinion, and so are you guys, but i side with him, and i hope to god anyone with over 5 iq would to on this arguement, but this is stock to stock modded to modded ,its anyones game (as said before about the pockets thing), but keep in mind the gsx is a hella better starting point from a performance aspect either stock to stock, dollar per dollar

but when you get into the BETTER CAR THING, THAT WASNT EVEN MENTIONED lOL, there is no reason to bring this up unless he said that civics are terrible in reliability which i BELIEVE he didnt, thats like someone saying that 5.0's are slow and me responding with WELL YOUR CAR IS UGLY! thats just like admiting your wrong right there.

IM SORRY even though he only posts a sentence at a time hes making some of you guys look stupid.

pdiggitydogg

02-13-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by cashizslick
Cave men do not have a written language - they only understand grunting noises (you are still confusing him).

nah cavemen could talk and had language...most of the different species of past humans had hyoid bones...sorry...science...i just got back from anatomy so its still on the brain...:paranoid:

Alright let me address some stuff..and I'll try to keep it to that 1 smiley because IMO theyre being waaay overused lol...

Yes DSMs are good cars, I have wanted an eclipse/talon for years, even the new ones, I think they are impressive and powerful...I almost bought a ESI talon a week before my civic but then I found out they cost way too much for what I can afford (initially, for fixes, and for the insurance w/ the stock turbo); so I kept shopping and found my EX...and I am very happy with it.

Many of the other posts are dead on saying that the civic and the eclipse are in two different levels of vehicle, I think thats obvious so dont start comparing them; unless you can compare a grand am GT to a Cavalier (there is that a better comparison for you?)...you cant...and if you do just shut the hell up because youre clearly confused on what a car even is.

To get down to a simple point and put aside all bashing: We mod our cars for the same reason that everyone else does it for...for fun, a hobby, and the thrill of it when our "little econobox" goes faster; and in some cases looks better in the process.

So now that I have said what I wanted to say I will now b*itch you out: IronMike you are a childish, immature person who truely and honestly needs to grow up. If you were one of those people that rev on others that are on the other side of the road...even when you are stopped at a light...between 2 other cars, it would not surprise me, in the least. Get off your flimsy high horse and come down to where the real car modifiers live, in reality. Either respect all that in the sport or dont play...b*tchass

ford50forlife

02-13-2003, 03:11 PM

lol now you guys are stereotyping him, im sorry but this is funny, i personally prolly dont like the kid, cause he PROLLY IS cocky, but you guys just post some good points and very valid assumptions, then its all washed away by 3rd grade name calling, keep em coming lol

Addict

02-13-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by ford50forlife
lol now you guys are stereotyping him, im sorry but this is funny, i personally prolly dont like the kid, cause he PROLLY IS cocky, but you guys just post some good points and very valid assumptions, then its all washed away by 3rd grade name calling, keep em coming lol

Its humorous isn't it? :D

There's no doubt in my mind that stock vs. stock, a GSX or GST would win. I'm not arguing that.

mt.biker

02-13-2003, 03:22 PM

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C's 94 InTeGrA

02-13-2003, 03:23 PM

ok well... thought i would shed some light on this too.. i had a Talon TSI before i got my Acura and i loved that car.. first car i got it was stick and the AWD trubo kicked ass.. i never lost one race in that car. And from switching from that to the acura was like unreal.. i liked havin all the power i had in the TSI and then switching to it was kinda hard.. problem with the Eclipses and Talons and Lasers.. break down easy... i tell ya for having my Talon a year i had to replace everything!! i put so much money into that car just fixing it i couldnt do a damn thing to it other than exhaust and intake. Untill finally the motor went goodbye and i got rid of it. i stil love the Tsis and i aint saying the Eclipses are crap cause they are some sweet cars but just mechanical problems are a *****. after 81,000 miles i had on the TSI everything went wrong like Radiator, valve cover gasket, head gasket, power steering pump and hose and thas i can think of right now.. just a warning..

firstgeardude

02-13-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by mt.biker
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AHAHAHAHHA

the message in that picture is hilarious

mt.biker

02-13-2003, 03:29 PM

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ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 03:34 PM

ok... what is being argued?

performace? he wins... no question

economy, gas milage? civic wins..

what are 95% of the people here doing? performance. i hate to break it to anyone here, but the more mods you do to your car your gas milage is going to start going to hell. i think the 4th gen prludes and new ITR's are about the only cars that can beat/race a gsx or gts and give them a good race. i know i've beaten my fair share of them over the 2 years i've had my car. 1st and 2nd gen. the only problem i have with DSM owners are they are too cocky. they think they have a car sent from god.. but like most other turbo cars, they have their problems. crank walk and transfer cases freezing. not to say honda performance engines arnt problem free either. i honestly dont know where the myth that honda engines are bulletproof came from, because i've had more problems than my friends had their engines.. sr20de and 4g63. i dunno... this guy definitaly came across the point he was trying to make the wrong way. if he would have asked a question like what car has better performance or what car is faster stock vs. stock i think he would see that people with 1/2 a brain realize the potential of a awd 4g63. hell... not long ago i thought i posted a video of a fwd clipse pulling 612fwhp and 575 ft/lb of tq. im sorry... ive NEVER seen a honda engine put numbers close to that

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by ford50forlife
im sorry if this was already adressed but.... i definately have to disagree that they are hard to work on lol, guess what? they are on of the reasons thats people started working on there own cars.... at least the first gens were ;)

Okay, I guess you have to compare them to something.. Working on a civic and working on a DSM (Talon or eclipse).. Compared to working on the civic they are a b!tch.. I put a clutch in a 96 GSX. That was quite the PITA compared to a civic. ;) Just about anything under the hood of a civic you cant get to. I know, its because it has such a small motor. (The hamster is so much easier to change.) :D

ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Okay, I guess you have to compare them to something.. Working on a civic and working on a DSM (Talon or eclipse).. Compared to working on the civic they are a b!tch.. I put a clutch in a 96 GSX. That was quite the PITA compared to a civic. ;) Just about anything under the hood of a civic you cant get to. I know, its because it has such a small motor. (The hamster is so much easier to change.) :D
did a awd clutch change? you are a brave man

Racing Rice

02-13-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
did a awd clutch change? you are a brave man

Heh, yes. Me and a couple friends did it. We arent the best mechanics, but usually when we are all together we can get most things figured out. It was an adventure to say the least.. And the cars still rolling after well over a year.:yes:

ChrisCantSkate

02-13-2003, 03:56 PM

yeah.. thats how almost all of my engine swaps ive done, got done. get friends together, and you'll figure it out

ford50forlife

02-13-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by mt.biker
http://members.rogers.com/mt.biker911/images/car/homo.jpg

lol i got the same one on my car domain page

Quevv

02-13-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by C's 94 InTeGrA
ok well... thought i would shed some light on this too.. i had a Talon TSI before i got my Acura and i loved that car.. first car i got it was stick and the AWD trubo kicked ass.. i never lost one race in that car. And from switching from that to the acura was like unreal.. i liked havin all the power i had in the TSI and then switching to it was kinda hard.. problem with the Eclipses and Talons and Lasers.. break down easy... i tell ya for having my Talon a year i had to replace everything!! i put so much money into that car just fixing it i couldnt do a damn thing to it other than exhaust and intake. Untill finally the motor went goodbye and i got rid of it. i stil love the Tsis and i aint saying the Eclipses are crap cause they are some sweet cars but just mechanical problems are a *****. after 81,000 miles i had on the TSI everything went wrong like Radiator, valve cover gasket, head gasket, power steering pump and hose and thas i can think of right now.. just a warning..

Wow same thing happened to me before I got my civic. I had a Talon Tsi AWD. I loved the car because if it's cheap thrill that it provided. The thing is that that car was a POS. Everything that could go wrong did and finally the tranny went. Good thing I got into a wreck with it which wasn't my fault and got a new car out of the situation and full cash value of the talon back. Moral of the story is that a civic couldn't touch a talon performance wise, but a talon couldn't touch a civic reliability wise. Or at least that's what i'm trying to prove:loco:

ShEaNy

02-13-2003, 06:31 PM

lol.....there cars with potential..who cares....this guy didnt have the intent to make a legit debate whos better then who....he wanted to bash civics in the end....Might i ADD the Turbo car would be better no?...call up honda tell em to make the civic with a turbo..see what happens...y not compare apples with apples not oranges buddy....A N/A car vs turbo...whatever....