10 psi

Alrighty. I cant mod up my car for another year but my 02 EX only has 22,000 miles on it and after i save up enough money i was hoping i could put in a turbo but i am not sure if the engine would like that or not. I was only thinking of pushing 10 lbs. how much faster will my engine start crapping out with 10 lbs of boost... it would be my daily driver and i dont plan on abusing it all the time.

Well, sohc vtec motors can only handle a max of 7 - 8 psi in stock trim. I sugest that if you would like to turbo your civic, then you should buy a pre fabricated turbo kit for it (a turbo kit for your car will have all neccesarry plumbing, wires, and engine management.)

The only problem is that i dont know who makes a kit for your car . . . . . .

[pdiggitydogg]

nah there are kits starting to come out for the d17...slowly

I also say stay under 10psi...and also agree to stay around 8 or so

the first thing thats going to go is the clutch...cant get around that...you can automatically opt for a newer tougher one right off the bat though.

whatever you do, get a GOOD fuel management system like an afc or something and get it tuned...without tuning you can blow the engine at 1psi...

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

if you either do a custom turbo set up or get a turbo kit, tuning is the key....

I thought my car had a dohc... i know its pushin 127 hp but for a sohc isnt that much?? well even if i throw on a small turbo i still need an IC and a BOV right? also, whats my engine called.

[pdiggitydogg]

wow...didnt even know

youre right, you need a ic (not need but i wouldnt go w/out), bov, wastegate (which may come in the turbo or not, depending on the model...it should say), piping (you can figure that out), and a slew of reading to do...I suggest Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. Clearly, if you didnt know what engine you had, you dont know much about what youre doing (not trying to be mean, just an observation)

oh, and your engine is, as I said, a D17a2 (the a2 is only in the ex)
and yes, its 127@6300rpm...that is of course, not wheel horse power

here
D17a2:
Displacement (cc): 1668
Power (bhp@rpm): 127@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 114@4400
Compression Ratio: 9.9:1
Bore (mm): 75
Stroke (mm): 94.4
Cam Design: sohc
VTEC?: yes
OBD: 2
Year(s) Produced: 2001+
In the following car(s): Honda Civic EX

[AzCivic]

please stop talking psi and start talking horsepower.

why?

10psi will blow his motor regaurdless of what turbo he uses.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by AzCivic
please stop talking psi and start talking horsepower.

anywhere between 130 and 193hp @ 10psi.

its all about tuning and fuel management. D series are good for about 200 HP with the proper tuning. The fuel system would be the only thing really that I can see to keep a stock D from running 10 pounds. Of course 10 pounds is like living on the dangerous side, but I think it can be done with fuel system upgrades, and tuning.
If u want to know, ThermafiedD16 is the man to talk to when it comes to turbo D series engines.

alrighty then, I guess i was trying to set my goals too high, I will come back to turbos after i start my easier upgrades, like thicker wires, plugs, and a new intake and exhaust. i didnt realize that 10 lbs would be in the red zone for my car. i need it as reliable as i can but still be an intimidating car. your time wasnt wasted, you just helped me realize how oblivious i am with my car. thanks a lot, i need to start saving $

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
why?

10psi will blow his motor regaurdless of what turbo he uses.

maybe you should tell that to all the people who run that and have no problems.

Originally posted by AzCivic
maybe you should tell that to all the people who run that and have no problems.

exactly!


I know someone who runs I/H/E, clutch, with a 75 shot of Nitrous (Zex kit to be accurate), and it runs fine on a D16Z6. He estimates about 210 to 220 flywheel HP. He runs the 75 shot constantly. Yes even on the street and that engine holds up just fine. So well infact it runs 13.0's in the quarter on drag radials.

Originally posted by AzCivic
maybe you should tell that to all the people who run that and have no problems.

Those are the same people who swap out bseries motors and put in dseries ones right?

whats the difference between all the series. and what does my engine have that the others dont... can i assume the difference between the D16 and D17 is 1.6l and a 1.7l?

The D16Z6 has a tire melting 125 hp, and your motor (i believe has 127hp).

[Wren57]

bwhahaaa

[Shaved &/or Laid]

B stands for Badass

D stands for DooDoo

*representing*


NO IM NOT BEING SERIOUS. I intend to keep my asshole un-reamed.

you can make a D fast, just depends, worst thing about a swap is having a mystery motor. I had a bad rod in mine and im replacing the block. so dont swap unless oure advanced, really.

Originally posted by Shaved &/or Laid
B stands for Badass

D stands for DooDoo

*representing*


NO IM NOT BEING SERIOUS. I intend to keep my asshole un-reamed.

you can make a D fast, just depends, worst thing about a swap is having a mystery motor. I had a bad rod in mine and im replacing the block. so dont swap unless oure advanced, really.

'
what does the H stand for then????

^^ H = Hellafast

[AzCivic]

B stands for, BUMMER. as in bummer i spent all this cash and i'm still slow.

[pdiggitydogg]

its driving me nuts
Come on guys....don't start again
Why cant the other person ever just be the bigger man and ignore it? Why cant the first person not start it in the first place??

Azcivic, i would love to smoke ur slow azz D.

So what if i spent a more money than i had anticipated, ill still smoke your car.

Even if you tried to go mod for mod with me or shave now that we have swaps you'd looze.

I dont understand how swaps are a bad idea at all.

[Shaved &/or Laid]

....i threw a rod.


give me two weeks.

Originally posted by cashizslick
^^ H = Hellafast

hell ya. sounds good to me.+

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by cashizslick
Azcivic, i would love to smoke ur slow azz D.

So what if i spent a more money than i had anticipated, ill still smoke your car.

Even if you tried to go mod for mod with me or shave now that we have swaps you'd looze.

I dont understand how swaps are a bad idea at all.

you spent freakin 5k$ for like 40hp, 2 others on this small board have both had freak problems with their swaps in the last couple of months.

NOW WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!

seeing as how you dont live near here i dont see us being able to race anytime soon. so go to the track and post some times along with a video of you doing it, then i'll do the same and we'll compare.

[thermal]

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
its driving me nuts
Come on guys....don't start again
Why cant the other person ever just be the bigger man and ignore it? Why cant the first person not start it in the first place??

Bwa ha ha ha haa ha ....

Originally posted by AzCivic
you spent freakin 5k$ for like 40hp, 2 others on this small board have both had freak problems with their swaps in the last couple of months.

NOW WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!

seeing as how you dont live near here i dont see us being able to race anytime soon. so go to the track and post some times along with a video of you doing it, then i'll do the same and we'll compare.

170 hp - 125 hp = 45 more hp, and a completely stock motor to work on.

Yes, i dont see us being able to race anytime soon, but even so - your car would loose to a completely stock integra LS (you know, the BSERIES 140 hp ls motor). Im not trying to flame at all, im just trying to back up the fact that a few boltons on a D16Z6 dont do very much at all. I know you dont wanna swap your motor, but why dont you just look around junkyards stateside (like i wish I had done) for a USDM B18C or B18B.

Just for sake of argument, since i run the same if not slightly faster than a stock GSR, i think you'd still come up with the short end of the stick on that one.

Have you ever taken your car to the track? Im just wondering - i plan on going when it gets warmer up here and i will post times. Im sure i will suck my first few times, but mistakes are to learn from and it will be fun regaurdless.

[ebpda9]

yeah 5hp will make your car melt the tires or not on take off , but for the 5k you could turbo a d or f series and blow the doors of a b16 civic anyday, and still have some change for rice mods.

Originally posted by AzCivic
B stands for, BUMMER. as in bummer i spent all this cash and i'm still slow.

I couldn't agree more. I've bought a jdm b16a and threw it in my 91 civic hatch. wasn't fast enough. stripped the car. wasn't fast enough. had to head allll redone with port/polish valve job etc etc etc etc still wasn't fast enough. sold the b16a and I was going to do a d16z6 turbo setup because I rode in my friends 91 si d16z6 turbo powered car and that thing was faster than mine. haha shitty!!!!! F U JDM!! keep your damn motors they sucks. TURBO IS THE WAY! d16z6 turbo setup owns you!

Originally posted by cashizslick
Azcivic, i would love to smoke ur slow azz D.

So what if i spent a more money than i had anticipated, ill still smoke your car.

Even if you tried to go mod for mod with me or shave now that we have swaps you'd looze.

I dont understand how swaps are a bad idea at all.

i'll race you

D16Z6 over a B Series? Are u all freakin mad?? Sure a turbo'd D16 will beat a stock B16. Problem with a B16 is its still a damn 1.6L. I never have liked the B16's to begin with. What about a turbod B18B ??? Well a stock B18B swap will cost u about 2000 dollars (depending on where u get it from). Then u throw the turbo on the B18 on there. Hmmm. Can u say BLOW THAT D16 AWAY!!!!!

A turbo'd B16 would woop on a tubo'd B18B - not to mention totally destroying a D16Zwhatever.

[thermal]

bah... it all depends on the build-up and tuning. My friend had a tuned Z6 slightly built internals with turbo running 18 psi against a B16A2 stock internals turbo with FMU. My friend whooped the shit out of this B16A2 turbo. Both coupes.

On the other hand. I know somebody locally pushing 611whp on a built B16A2 turbo.

Really, it all depends on the efficiency and harmony of each mods/upgrade/build/management.... peace!

Ahh, harmony - that is where it is at.

Lets just leave it that you can do whatever you want to do to your car - so long as all the pieces work together properly to achieve their maximum level of perf.

a good turbo on my car would run me about how much... rough estimate... and how old is too old to throw on a turbo, like how many miles, because i cant throw on a turbo until i have my car paid off, and that will be another 3 years... so is like 65,000 miles on a D17 too many miles to start talking turbo?

yea but for 2000 dollars I could have a semi built turboed d16z6 vs a stock b18b. I'm not talking straight hp. I'm talking more bang for the buck.

[thermal]

Dude, I can get me a full complete swap B18B here for less than $1K. Put a junkyard turbo together for another $1K...

it doesnt really matter....... to each is own. It's about the tuning and "harmony".

Midnight, for your first turbo set-up get a kit. Have you visited the maxrev website yet? They make your kit. And yes, those turbo are bad ass. Imagine a tuned T3T04 turbo on a D17.
http://www.maxrev.com/

I'm sure I could find a turbo setup for about 300 dollars and a d16z6 for less than 250. but yea that's cool.

^ right