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08-26-2002, 02:04 AM

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A B16A (IN A 94 HATCH) TO RUN 12'S ALL MOTOR

*AzCivic* · 08-26-2002, 10:24 AM

My guess would be to strip out everything in the car that isn't necessary. Then upgrade everything on the engine to allow it to rev higher and have a higher compression, upgraded cams are also probably needed.

TonitrusEN · 08-26-2002, 10:32 AM

And pushing the caps locks key shaves .5 off your ET so im told...

ebpda9 · 08-26-2002, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by TonitrusEN
And pushing the caps locks key shaves .5 off your ET so im told...

LMAO.

anyway i think it's nealy impossible to hit 12's with all motor

*AzCivic* · 08-26-2002, 03:59 PM

I think it'd be possible but in addition to what i said earlier he'd probably have to replace all the body panels with carbon fiber, and replace the window with some plastic ones. Unless this is going to be a drag car its going to be damn hard. Boring the cylinders would help also. All motor with a 4 cyl engine just isn't worth it, unless its the H22 or some ls,crv/vtec.

2ndGenTeg · 08-26-2002, 11:03 PM

I love these kinds of questions!

It may or may not be possible.

To give you an example, my buddy has the fastest all motor Honda in Colorado. It's a 95 GSR that runs a 14.2 (12.8 at sea level), and that's gutted, on slicks, and no cat. Advantage over a 94 hatch with a B16A: The 94 hatch chassis is much lighter. Disadvantage: it's missing 200cc.

The good news is that if you're gonna build the thing anyway, you can do it right- and I think in a 94 hatch, you've got a legit shot at 11s. The other good news is that the B16A already has a perfect rod ratio, so it'll rev to the moon with a good build, with good camshafts will love. If you're really serious about it, here's what I would do:

Internal:
Bore/sleeve with Golden Eagle to 85mm
Port/Polish/Titanium valvetrain- Portflow
Rods- Eagle
Pitsons- Arias/Wiseco
Cams- Jun Stage 2 or 3, Toda Spec B or C

External:
Port matched intake manifold
Bored throttle body- Spoon
Short Ram, large bore intake- Injen, RS Akimoto
JDM spec 4-1 or 4-2-1 header with longer primaries, 2.5" collector
Matched cat (2.5" collector)- Spoon
Any exhaust except Tanabe
ECU management

Optional, albeit expensive: Toda ITBs

Assuming everything else falls into place (weight, grip, driving), I think you could hit 12s. With the ITBs, you might even be able to hit 11s.

08-26-2002, 02:04 AM	#1
yelizardking Posts: n/a	All Motor B16a WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A B16A (IN A 94 HATCH) TO RUN 12'S ALL MOTOR

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08-26-2002, 10:24 AM	#2
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	My guess would be to strip out everything in the car that isn't necessary. Then upgrade everything on the engine to allow it to rev higher and have a higher compression, upgraded cams are also probably needed.

08-26-2002, 03:59 PM	#5
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	I think it'd be possible but in addition to what i said earlier he'd probably have to replace all the body panels with carbon fiber, and replace the window with some plastic ones. Unless this is going to be a drag car its going to be damn hard. Boring the cylinders would help also. All motor with a 4 cyl engine just isn't worth it, unless its the H22 or some ls,crv/vtec.

08-26-2002, 11:03 PM	#6
2ndGenTeg 4th Gear Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO Age: 43 Posts: 830	I love these kinds of questions! It may or may not be possible. To give you an example, my buddy has the fastest all motor Honda in Colorado. It's a 95 GSR that runs a 14.2 (12.8 at sea level), and that's gutted, on slicks, and no cat. Advantage over a 94 hatch with a B16A: The 94 hatch chassis is much lighter. Disadvantage: it's missing 200cc. The good news is that if you're gonna build the thing anyway, you can do it right- and I think in a 94 hatch, you've got a legit shot at 11s. The other good news is that the B16A already has a perfect rod ratio, so it'll rev to the moon with a good build, with good camshafts will love. If you're really serious about it, here's what I would do: Internal: Bore/sleeve with Golden Eagle to 85mm Port/Polish/Titanium valvetrain- Portflow Rods- Eagle Pitsons- Arias/Wiseco Cams- Jun Stage 2 or 3, Toda Spec B or C External: Port matched intake manifold Bored throttle body- Spoon Short Ram, large bore intake- Injen, RS Akimoto JDM spec 4-1 or 4-2-1 header with longer primaries, 2.5" collector Matched cat (2.5" collector)- Spoon Any exhaust except Tanabe ECU management Optional, albeit expensive: Toda ITBs Assuming everything else falls into place (weight, grip, driving), I think you could hit 12s. With the ITBs, you might even be able to hit 11s.