Seriously...

[Wren57]

OK, lets face it. Hondas were NOT built for speed. Any type of speed. Some of you on here seem to understand that while others don't. Do not get me wrong, I love driving my friends civic, but it is neither fast nor has much potential to be fast. I know some people say they mod their civics to be "fast" so they are "different", but when every kid on every corner has one, are they really different? It is a parallel to "alternative" music becoming the norm with teenagers. And as far as having something cheap enough to modify, come on there are far cheaper things than civics to mod with the same amount of money to go faster in any competition. Lets think about this.

5k Civic + 5k mods < 5k 1st gen eclipse + 5k mods
5k Civic + 10k mods < 10k 240sx with 5k mods
5k Civic + 15k mods < BPU TT Supra

When looking at different price ranges of mods, a civic can be outclassed and outmatched in every category, AutoX, Drag, Road, Track, etc with the same amount of money by many other cars. I dont mean to sound like a dick, I just don't want people waisting their money for a mediocre product. Like I said before, they are cool cars and if having one is what you want, go for it, but if you are looking for a specific type of speed and not just fun in the car, you are using the wrong platform. Yes it is fun to mod cars that aren't practical to mod (I modded my highlander ), but I had no real end-goal in sight, no particular field of performance I wanted to dominate because I knew it was a futile effort. Basically what I am saying is if you like modding just to mod, a honda works, but if you are modding to serve a purpose (speed), a honda just isn't the proper car to start with. Just my thoughts.

[nonovurbizniz]

word... someone mark that down... that's twice highlander and I have agreed in less than a month... cat's and dog's will soon be sleeping together.

[AzCivic]

So if you already own a Honda why not make it fast??? I know the history of my car and how well it was taken car of. I'm within a couple of months of paying it off, so i'm not about to get rid of it for some one elses hoopty or get myself way into debt.

I see what your saying, but some people just want to keep what they got and make it faster.

Furthermore a civic isnt that bad of a platform, with the right combination and smarts they can be made really fast and handle really well. Its the smarts part that keeps you from wasting money on needless things.

[nonovurbizniz]

I think that's what he IS saying though...

if it's what you got then mod it and have fun...

but if your talking about building a super car or dumping 10k into your civic at once then just cut your losses now and get a better platform.

If you have a civic you can sell it and get ANY other same year/class car for cheaper. If I didn't have BD I'd sell mine and get an ser as soon as I could find one... they're just better to start with.

[Wren57]

Like I said, keeping what ya got to make it faster is one thing, but having a goal in mind eg. 1/4 speed, a civic isn't the thing to be going with...

[AzCivic]

AAAHHHH I see.

I totally agree then.

I totally agree with you. 110%

what? you meen a 1.6-2.0ltr 4 banger isnt fast?......man why you gotta ruin it for everyone?.......pecker.........

really thought......i dont care how fast the thing is......i just want people to say "damn thats a nice looking car" and after i do everything to make it a little quicker i know i wont be satisfied till i have a car that throws me back in the seat....so i'll buy something else and do the same to it......

oh and i'll prolly slap someone next time they say "man that car is pimp" its a honda......pimp and honda dont go together.......20s dont belong on a honda....makes it look like its 4 wheel drive.......you know what im sayin my nizzle

[Addict]

I think most people realize that Hondas are not a 'god-send'.
However.....
You can't beat a having a car that you can mod with basically anything off the shelf, and still maintain a good reliable daily driver.

[nonovurbizniz]

no comparable car is any less reliable when modded... exept maybe an eclips/talon... but they're just as un-reliable from the factory... but when you get a good one... MUCH better than a civic.

[ebpda9]

so here we are talking civics right ? i know i have a 2950 lbs powered by a blasting 125hp powerplant but the car is fun. IMO hondas are the best fun behind the wheel in their price range. You guys might be obsessed with the 1/4 times and HP but i could care less about that. i like a car that handles good, it's fun to drive and revs high.

[Racing Rice]

Another pointless thread woohoo.

Yeah, so what. Hondas arent factory bread race cars. But then again neither is any other econo car that people spend way to much money on. So what if I want to waste my money on a civic. If I wanted to make my civic run 10s, who are you to tell me that I shouldnt do it. Sure, its not built for speed. But it is still possible for a civic to run 10s in the 1/4. If it takes me a quarter of a million dollars to do it, so what. Thats my problem.

I want to make a honda run 10s. I cant do that with any other car because a toyota isnt a honda.

Sure it would be nice to be able to go out and buy a new G35. But reality is not everyone wants a new G35 or maybe they cant afford one. Thats what makes the world go around.

I agree with you. Spending a ton of money trying to make a Honda fast is kinda dumb. But if thats what someone wants to do. Who am I or you to stop them, or even try to redirect thier thinking.

Challenge is what drives people to become better.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
so here we are talking civics right ? i know i have a 2950 lbs powered by a blasting 125hp powerplant but the car is fun. IMO hondas are the best fun behind the wheel in their price range. You guys might be obsessed with the 1/4 times and HP but i could care less about that. i like a car that handles good, it's fun to drive and revs high.

i must agree here.... ive driven a few other cars, and although mine is not the fastest or anything, it is a blast to drive.

Honda is, without a doubt, the best all around car to have. From price, to perfomance and handling out of a stock car. Not to mention the most fun to mod.

Oh yeah, and one of the longer lasting.

Originally posted by Addict
I think most people realize that Hondas are not a 'god-send'.
However.....
You can't beat a having a car that you can mod with basically anything off the shelf, and still maintain a good reliable daily driver.

Ahh yes, the term "RELIABLE". That word should not be in the same sentance as Eclipse or 240.

Originally posted by highlander
OK, lets face it. Hondas were NOT built for speed. Any type of speed. Some of you on here seem to understand that while others don't. Do not get me wrong, I love driving my friends civic, but it is neither fast nor has much potential to be fast. I know some people say they mod their civics to be "fast" so they are "different", but when every kid on every corner has one, are they really different? It is a parallel to "alternative" music becoming the norm with teenagers. And as far as having something cheap enough to modify, come on there are far cheaper things than civics to mod with the same amount of money to go faster in any competition. Lets think about this.

5k Civic + 5k mods < 5k 1st gen eclipse + 5k mods
5k Civic + 10k mods < 10k 240sx with 5k mods
5k Civic + 15k mods < BPU TT Supra

When looking at different price ranges of mods, a civic can be outclassed and outmatched in every category, AutoX, Drag, Road, Track, etc with the same amount of money by many other cars. I dont mean to sound like a dick, I just don't want people waisting their money for a mediocre product. Like I said before, they are cool cars and if having one is what you want, go for it, but if you are looking for a specific type of speed and not just fun in the car, you are using the wrong platform. Yes it is fun to mod cars that aren't practical to mod (I modded my highlander ), but I had no real end-goal in sight, no particular field of performance I wanted to dominate because I knew it was a futile effort. Basically what I am saying is if you like modding just to mod, a honda works, but if you are modding to serve a purpose (speed), a honda just isn't the proper car to start with. Just my thoughts.

i personaly dont think you have a ****ing clue... i will agre that MOST "honda enthusiasts" are a bunch of dilusional highschool kids.. but using YOUR logic why even buy a supra or a first gen eclipse when a late 80's mustang will completely RAPE it for less overall cost.. late 80's mustang + slicks + juice + gears..... you could EASILY do this for less than 5k and it would run great in the 1/4 (mid 11 second car unless its carb and you go fogger then you could see 10's) so lets ALL buy mustangs im still trying to figure out why you are even here.. you are NOT a honda owner... you suffer from the "its stilla honda syndrome.."... so then get the **** out.. BOUNCE.. no one cares about your truck... in fact i HATE trucks a LOT.. and i hate your shitty additude.. and i also why we are on the subject.. hate your OBSESION with porn.. and your posting it all over the board..grow the **** up.. get a girl.. and MAYBE we will ALL be better off..

Originally posted by oc civic
but using YOUR logic why even buy a supra or a first gen eclipse when a late 80's mustang will completely RAPE it for less overall cost.. late 80's mustang + slicks + juice + gears..... you could EASILY do this for less than 5k and it would run great in the 1/4 (mid 11 second car unless its carb and you go fogger then you could see 10's)

. . . . .untill the mustang breaks down (shouldnt take long) and/or you melt your pistons and crack your block.

Guys I think you misunderstand the point of his thread. He's not talking about people who just want a car to drive daily and casually add a mod or two to make it look/feel up to their standards.
He's talking about the people who want to get a civic to dump 5, 10 etc etc grand into it to make it 'fast'. If you want a fast car, Honda isn't really the best platform to choose. If you want a fun/reliable/not so expensive car, then Honda is.
Get it?

Originally posted by cashizslick
. . . . .untill the mustang breaks down (shouldnt take long) and/or you melt your pistons and crack your block.

just admit you have not a clue about what you are talking about

Originally posted by oc civic
grow the **** up.. get a girl.. and MAYBE we will ALL be better off..

Funny thing is he's better set off in that department than you too. He never once started swearing did he? So why do you have to be a dickhead. If you don't get the point of his post then why don't you zip your little mouth, PUNK! Read my above post, and you'll get what he means!

Originally posted by juvenile
Guys I think you misunderstand the point of his thread. He's not talking about people who just want a car to drive daily and casually add a mod or two to make it look/feel up to their standards.
He's talking about the people who want to get a civic to dump 5, 10 etc etc grand into it to make it 'fast'. If you want a fast car, Honda isn't really the best platform to choose. If you want a fun/reliable/not so expensive car, then Honda is.
Get it?

no i don't "get it" i dumped a decent amount into my car to make it "fast" and i plan to dump more.. my friend eric has a 92/95 hatch with a turbo h22... tell him his car is stupid.. its fater than just about everything on this board... i plan to make one more purchase for my car then get a domestic.. to make that MUCH faster.. dumping 10k into a civic would make it VERY fast... dumping 5k into it.. IF you do your own work.. would make it reasonably fast..

Originally posted by oc civic
no i don't "get it" i dumped a decent amount into my car to make it "fast" and i plan to dump more.. my friend eric has a 92/95 hatch with a turbo h22... tell him his car is stupid.. its fater than just about everything on this board... i plan to make one more purchase for my car then get a domestic.. to make that MUCH faster.. dumping 10k into a civic would make it VERY fast... dumping 5k into it.. IF you do your own work.. would make it reasonably fast..

What kind of fast are we talking about here? Give me times, times boy!

Originally posted by juvenile
Funny thing is he's better set off in that department than you too. He never once started swearing did he? So why do you have to be a dickhead. If you don't get the point of his post then why don't you zip your little mouth, PUNK! Read my above post, and you'll get what he means!

i cursed because of my extreme tiredness of him.. cursing is extreme expresion.. its JUST a word.. and what does "hes better set off in that department" mean anyway????what is he better than me at?? **confused**

[VR4_Craver]

ok lets look at it this way.

2001 Toyota Highlander ratails at 23,330
lets say that a oh an 2002 Civic SI retails at 19,460


thats 3870 that i would have to toy with. lets see...
75 shot of nitrous. -500
3370 i could use the rest on turbo and just then be reachinm what you paid for your your car. Are you starting to catch on yet? I didnt even take into account the mods you have done. so must this go on?

Originally posted by oc civic
i cursed because of my extreme tiredness of him.. cursing is extreme expresion.. its JUST a word.. and what does "hes better set off in that department" mean anyway????what is he better than me at?? **confused**

"get a girl.. and MAYBE we will ALL be better off.." That was directed to that comment...

I see your point, highlander, but I think you're missing another. My civic couldn't be as fast 1/4 mi as an older stang or 240 or supra that I spent the same money on. And those cars couldn't be as fast as a motorcycle I spent the same money on. And it wouldn't be as fast as a homemade Al frame dragster I spent the same money on.

However, there's a challenge to taking an ordinary car (what's more ordinary than a civic?), personalising it and making it better than it was. There will always be something that's quicker, faster, handles better, cooler looking than whatever you drive, no matter what it is. That's not the point - the point is that it's fun to tune a car. It's a project. People have been doing it for as long as there have been cars.

Anyway, rereading your post - if you have X dollars and your only goal is to do a 1/4 mi in X seconds and you have no other objective or subjective goals, then yes, I agree, don't use civic. Your argument is very specific and you try to generalize it into "hondas aren't built for speed" which is dumb. No car is built only for speed. The S2000 is pretty fast. So is the NSX. A 240 is pretty fast, but it's not built for speed either. It has a truck engine in it.

In summary, your post and argument were just as useless as this reply.

Originally posted by juvenile
What kind of fast are we talking about here? Give me times, times boy!

well lets see... i can't even imagine spending 10k.. eric spent much less that that and JUST finished the car and made a high 12 sec pass on lame tires.. im sure its a solid 12 sec car...he probably spent more than 5 but less than 7 id have to ask to give you an exact $$ amount.. im usign his car and NOT mine as an example since it is faster and fits the criteria of going fast with not a whole lot INCLUDING the car in the argument

Originally posted by juvenile
"get a girl.. and MAYBE we will ALL be better off.." That was directed to that comment...

i have a girl.. she satisfies me enough that i dont need to look at porno.. so obviously I am better at that level.. or maybe it is just a maturity thing

Originally posted by oc civic
i have a girl.. she satisfies me enough that i dont need to look at porno.. so obviously I am better at that level.. or maybe it is just a maturity thing

And how do you what kind of relationship he is having with his girl? Do you assume?

Originally posted by VR4_Craver
ok lets look at it this way.

2001 Toyota Highlander ratails at 23,330
lets say that a oh an 2002 Civic SI retails at 19,460


thats 3870 that i would have to toy with. lets see...
75 shot of nitrous. -500
3370 i could use the rest on turbo and just then be reachinm what you paid for your your car. Are you starting to catch on yet? I didnt even take into account the mods you have done. so must this go on?

HA nice.. thats SO true... or lets do it with a 92-95 hatch with a blown motor.. lol as the platform car.. wonder what it looks like after 20 THOUSAND dumped into it..

or wait lets do the oh, but its a truck argument im sure there are cheaper nicer trucks out there (in PEOPLES opinion) that you could dump the extra money into nice rims or whatever teh hell you buy for trucks.. lol some fog lights eh? lol HHHHHAAAA

Originally posted by oc civic
well lets see... i can't even imagine spending 10k.. eric spent much less that that and JUST finished the car and made a high 12 sec pass on lame tires.. im sure its a solid 12 sec car...he probably spent more than 5 but less than 7 id have to ask to give you an exact $$ amount.. im usign his car and NOT mine as an example since it is faster and fits the criteria of going fast with not a whole lot INCLUDING the car in the argument

So that's ~7gs just on mods or mods + car?

Originally posted by juvenile
And how do you what kind of relationship he is having with his girl? Do you assume?

obviously it is inadiquate if he needs to SEARCH the internet for pics of dirty whores and girls who look like they are 14... im ASSUMING that it is not good enough for him by his ACTIONS

Originally posted by juvenile
So that's ~7gs just on mods or mods + car?

car was a was since it was bough with LIGHT body damage and no motor..well a blown motor at least..

You know what people, **** this, I'm done since people read the entire thread and just posts off. VR4 Craver, Mushroom, if you would have read what I said numerous times and what he said, you would have gotten that he didn't buy that car to make it fast. His grandparents actually gave him the car. And notice that he's selling it now?!?! No, oh well I'm sorry, I guess you weren't reading enough. What he is talking about in this thread, AND I REPEAT IT AGAIN, is about the people that buy a civic for the sole purpose of making it go fast! If that's the end result you want to achieve, there are other better cars, ones that are still somewhat reliable and can also handle the power better to get.

To oc civic, I still think that spending the same amount of money on another car with the proper combination would give you a better result. If your friend's civic is as fast as you say, that's really good. But I bet your friend didn't buy the civic to make it the fastest car around or to make it amazingly fast. I bet he bought it for other reasons too. I could be wrong cuz I'm just guessing here.

Originally posted by oc civic
obviously it is inadiquate if he needs to SEARCH the internet for pics of dirty whores and girls who look like they are 14... im ASSUMING that it is not good enough for him by his ACTIONS

Ummm...where did you get this from? And second of all, why even mention shit like that in this thread? Is it called "Highlander's relationship issues thread?" No, we're discussing civics

Originally posted by juvenile
Ummm...where did you get this from? And second of all, why even mention shit like that in this thread? Is it called "Highlander's relationship issues thread?" No, we're discussing civics

i highjacked it..


the new name is why i think hes a ***got.. thanks

Originally posted by juvenile


To oc civic, I still think that spending the same amount of money on another car with the proper combination would give you a better result. If your friend's civic is as fast as you say, that's really good. But I bet your friend didn't buy the civic to make it the fastest car around or to make it amazingly fast. I bet he bought it for other reasons too. I could be wrong cuz I'm just guessing here.

no he DID build it to be fast..

12's is not amazingly fast.. but its good for ANY car in the 7k range.. a mustang would have been faster.. but still its NOT a bad amount of cash to go 12's..

Originally posted by oc civic
i highjacked it..


the new name is why i think hes a ***got.. thanks

Whatever, you want to be immature, go ahead. In order to "backup" your point, you have to flame people and be a dickhead. Well, we'll see where this attitude gets you in life.
See ya later. I'm done trying to share some info with children like you.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by oc civic
...hate your OBSESION with porn.. and your posting it all over the board..grow the **** up.. get a girl.. and MAYBE we will ALL be better off..

i think that is mt. biker not highlander