The hypocracy of political correctness (a tad long)

[GT40FIED]

I was sitting around tonight talking with friends and I was reminded of a radio program I heard a while back. The host posed a question to the audience. He talks of a scenario where a group of 3 armed white men kidnap and ultimately execute a group of 5 white black individuals and he leaves out any inference of motive or reasoning. He then asks his audience to call in and, based on those facts alone, assess whether or not it's a hate crime. Around 95% of the calls let in were from black folks and they all said yes, it's a hate crime. The other 5% said they needed more insight to render a verdits as it were. The host then cuts off all calls and explains the story. It's a true story in reverse...the 3 men were black and the 5 victims were white. He then re-opens the phones and most of the people who call in are trying to retain some sort of laughter at political correctness being caught in it's own bullshit. I may be wrong (though that's admitedly rare), but it almost seems like reverse racism. Hate crime laws are written rather broadly but they tend to have an emphasis on white on black crime or crimes against gays and jews. If you think about it, there's no such thing as a love crime...perhaps an assisted suicide of a terminally ill loved one, but that's it...so the words "hate" and "crime" are almost exclusively linked. You wouldn't commit a crime because you loved someone and if you hate someone enough chances are you'll commit some sort of crime against them. But the very fact that many of these laws discount (though don't totally eliminate) crimes NOT commited by whites spits in the very face of the equality such laws seek to reach. If a gay man kills or beats up a straight man for no other reason than that he's straight, is that a hate crime? Laws say yes, but I gaurantee no jury would convict him under a hate crime statute. so for these reasons you should all join with me in saying f@ck political correctness. I'll do what I want and say what I want so long as it isn't directed at an individual and I'll swear as often as I care to with no regard to others around me. This isn't a big change from the way I currently act, but I'm sick of people trying to tell me how to treat others.

[black95gs-t]

I can't agree with you more. In my opinion political correctness is one of the leading cancers in our society. I should not have to watch what I do or say (within reason) just because someone might be offended by it. If someone doesn't like what they hear or see, then don't listen or watch. Howard Stern is a perfect example of this. People listen to him for the sole purpose of being offended so they can then go to his sponsors and attempt to politically force them to stop their sponsorship of his show because they don't like his program. They say that his show offends them. Here is my simple way of dealing with that problem. Change to another radio station, put in a C.D., or just turn off the radio all together. Is it really that hard? Same thing with T.V. People write truck loads of mail trying to get certain shows off the air because it offends them. DON'T WATCH!!!! Maybe you being so easily offended offends me. Maybe you trying to force your morals upon others offends me. Does that mean I can sue you? No, it doesn't. Does that mean I can silence you with what ever means I deem necessary? No, it doesn't. Does anyone remember when the Chargers played the Dolphins earlier this year? Junior Seau, an outside linebacker for the Dolphins, was asked how he planned to stop the Chargers running back LaDannian Tomlinson. His answer was, "We just need to give him extra fried chicken and Kool-Aid before the game." It doesn't matter that they were team mates for three years, or that they are still close friends, or even that he actually does eat fried chicken and drink Kool-Aid before a game. What truly does matter is that he is black, and that fried chicken and Kool-Aid are both stereo types of black people, and that was a racist remark from Junior Seau. No one bothered to ask LaDannian if he was even offended until 3 weeks later at which time he replyied, "No, he's my friend. We always joke around like that." I hate political correctness. When you touched a hot stove when you were little, (don't lie, we all did) did you keep touching it because it pissed you off, or did you make sure it was cold the next time you touched it? Same freakin thing! Political correctness is such an enigma. Maybe instead being so easily offended by everything people should just mind their own business and try to be happy in this very privelaged place we call home.
J

[Wren57]

I'll throw in my thoughts, and say yup... screw what other people think, as long as you aren't threatening anyone, there is no reason you should not be able to say whatever you wish... basically what im saying is that if you don't like the conversation in my living room, get the f*ck out of my house

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

I have nothing to add except that I agree with all three of you

[AzCivic]

I agree political correctness is a bunch of crap but I still dont think just anything and everything should be allowed to come through the tv or radio. There are children we need to think about, and lets face it, kids are dumb.

[GT40FIED]

That may be true, but at the same time it's a parent's responsibility to monitor what children watch on TV, what net sites they visit, and what music they listen to. Besides, you think you can shield someone from what real life is like forever? I'd say by about 9 or 10 most kids are ready to see and hear what real life is like and what real people say and think...especially if a parent is there to put it into context for them. If you go through life holding your kid's hand for everything, they won't be well adjusted enough to make a transition into becoming a functional adult. For instance, when I was around 12 or 13 I used to rent those Faces of Death videos (don't lie...you've all seen at least one). My dad knew and I figured he'd be pissed but instead he was cool with it because he figured it would desensitize me enough that, in the event that I was faced with with something like that in real life, I wouldn't get all hysterical and lose my cool. He was right.

[mylittlecivic]

there is no government on earth that is correct becuase humans are imperfect

[DsBlu01CivEX]

yah I argee with everything said....I don't agree with the fact that parents try to used multi-media as baby sitters for their children. I didn't grow up that way, nor did most of us on this board.

My last semester at Millersville, they decided to make a new rule around campus. No swearing. Now, when you have ~5,000 18-23 yr olds on a fairly small campus, you're going to have swearing. I believe the reason why it was made a rule was because some dumb girl overheard someone dropping the F-bomb. No one said it to her, she just overheard it and threw a huge fit. It caused a HUGE problem on campus too. I think it actually made some of us swear more. Including myself.

It's just bull.

[AzCivic]

i think we should have violent hard core porn on PBS so kids can be "desensitized", and if some parents dont like it they can follow thier kids 24/7 to make sure they dont watch it.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
i think we should have violent hard core porn on PBS so kids can be "desensitized", and if some parents dont like it they can follow thier kids 24/7 to make sure they dont watch it.

Well...I'd sure watch a lot more PBS. Now see, you've taken my idea to an extreme. you can't readily turn on the TV and watch violent hardcore porn...that's what video stores are for. But if a kid happens to watch NYPD Blue and hear the word "bullshit" are they really hurt? Plus you also missed my point about having the parent there to put what the kid sees into context. And yes, usually the parents b!tching about how TV and music has corrupted their kids are the ones who could give a f@ck less what their kids are up to, watching, or listening to until something bad happens. Then it can't possibly be their fault. No...they're excellent parents. So yes, it HAS to be TV or video games or music. Try to etch some grey into that black and white world of yours.

[ChrisCantSkate]

political corectness? fvck it. i saw what i want how i want, and if you know me, i never intentionally offend anyone unless its clearly directed to someone. so if i say something that can be interpreted in 2 different ways, not only did i mean the good one, im not correcting myself because someone took something too far the wrong way.


for hate crimes... i hate how horrible people are going with em... trying to say any multi racial fight involving a white guy is a hate crime. get over it, sometimes 2 people "hate" each other for reasons that are more than skin deep.

real hate crimes such as athe mathew shepard incident a few years back, or some of the white power crimes are bad, and should be delt with as hate crimes, but if every time that someone can drop the words "hate crime", they do.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Well...I'd sure watch a lot more PBS. Now see, you've taken my idea to an extreme. you can't readily turn on the TV and watch violent hardcore porn...that's what video stores are for. But if a kid happens to watch NYPD Blue and hear the word "bullshit" are they really hurt? Plus you also missed my point about having the parent there to put what the kid sees into context. And yes, usually the parents b!tching about how TV and music has corrupted their kids are the ones who could give a f@ck less what their kids are up to, watching, or listening to until something bad happens. Then it can't possibly be their fault. No...they're excellent parents. So yes, it HAS to be TV or video games or music. Try to etch some grey into that black and white world of yours.

you cant do it...yet. If whats on now would shock the crap outa people 20-30yrs ago, whats gonna be on in another 20-30years?

That's an interesting story GT and I totally agree with you on most of the points that you made. It's an entirely too senstitive world we live in where everyone is doing their best to make anything that happens somehow about themselves being oppressed or some other such nonsense.

Now the question is what do we do? It's a sin to be a white male at this point in history.

Ben Folds said it best I think: "Y'all don't know what it's like, being male, middle class and white."

Ya better watch out 'cause he's gonna say ****.

One thing though GT, you mentioned somewhere in your original post that it might be some kinda reverse racism. That is a term I hear somewhat frequently and I have to say it angers me. When it happens to a white person it's not reverse racism and it's not reverse discrimination. It is racism. It is discrimination. If it were the reverse of either of those, there would be no problem.

It is that sort of attitude that gets the white folk in trouble I think. A term like reverse racism makes it sound like we think we're better than anyone else. If something bad happens to you because you are white, it's racism pure and simple. Not reverse racism because it used to happen the other way around and now it's happening to us. Makes white folk sound dumb and arrogant all at once.

Ah man, this was a good one. Where is everyone?

[DsBlu01CivEX]

Originally posted by SolPol
Ah man, this was a good one. Where is everyone?

I said my piece....and my views aren't going to change either. Think everyone else might feel the same way???

Could be. I just enjoy these threads.

[GT40FIED]

You mean the ones where I post controvertial issues and try to get people to argue over them? Lol...j/k. Just my small attempt to make people use different parts of their brains...the ones that TV and mundane small talk don't quite reach.

[DsBlu01CivEX]

Originally posted by SolPol
Could be. I just enjoy these threads.

Yah so do I....but I just find it impossible to "debate" on the internet. I'd much rather do that in person.

Yeah, me too, but I'm then I just get in fights

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by DsBlu01CivEX
Yah so do I....but I just find it impossible to "debate" on the internet. I'd much rather do that in person.

the only reason i like debating on the internet, is when your making a vaild piont, the opposition cant cut you off and start their rebuttel before your finished

[DsBlu01CivEX]

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
the only reason i like debating on the internet, is when your making a vaild piont, the opposition cant cut you off and start their rebuttel before your finished

Oh see I like that....cuz it pisses me off more and I get more of a rush out of debating then....damn i miss school cuz of that. We always used to have debates in my history and geog classes.

Late to the game....but oh well.

The main thing I have to say is.....amen brothas!!! There's too much truth in what's already been posted, no need to reiterate it to death.

I also agree though that the term reverse-racism is BS, racism is racism, by saying something is reverse-racism or reverse-discrimination when it happens to a white, you're basically saying racism and discrimination come from white people. Semantics, I'm sure that's not what you were trying to get across.

Religious people who try to force their religious beliefs and "morals" on me and others offends me....but I can't change their channel or avoid them cuz they step in front of me in public, perhaps I could get them banned?

The underlying point is that a very vocal portion of the public sees things certain ways, and they proactively try to force their beliefs down everybody's throats. Our laws and country are NOT really founded upon equality or freedom. Affirmative action is not equality. Laws on racism and some civil rights lawas are not equality. That it's ok to pray to jesus and not satan is not equality.

On the parents controlling what their kids watch......one word....South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut. Ok so it's' not 1 word, but that is a very accurate depiction of the vocal folks previously mentioned.....people like that piss me off. Spend more time with your kids rather than trying to get them off your back with video games and TV. Games and TV are all they've got to teach them these days.....

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[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by spoogenet
Religious people who try to force their religious beliefs and "morals" on me and others offends me....but I can't change their channel or avoid them cuz they step in front of me in public, perhaps I could get them banned?

Another good point. I constantly see ads on TV for the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints (or mormons). That and they come knocking on my door and step out in front of me in the street (a lot of small towns have this problem). On TV I can change the channel...but what am I supposed to do on the street? Hit them? Although I'd love to, I'd get arrested even though they're offending me with their beliefs (and, no offense if there are any mormons here, but their belief structure is the most insanely ridiculous load of shit I've ever heard). Since the constitution protects freedom of religion I can learn to put up with these douche bags and others like them to a point. I always liked the saying "spirituality is how I believe in my god. Religion is when I try to make others believe in him." Stick with spirituality.