.:HSTuners::

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-17-2005, 05:37 PM

Mine wont...
The beginnings of 8000rpm LS head

I paid $310 shipped for the set. I could only get them at this price by showing the dealer GE's cost of $315 shipped...He wouldnt do 300 :o

And here's where theyre going

Cams will be Crowers 403 N/A cams. Ive seen dyno plots of people using the 404 strip cams, but I dont want a lumpy idle. The 403 cams will have a bit of lope to them, but I'll just turn the idle screw open so it sits around 1000. She will then spin happily to 8000

I could take it further, if the rods werent rated for only 8500...
Before they go in, Im taking the head to a local shop and having a mild port/polish done just to smooth it out and take advantage of the valvetrain.

The block is in the shop right now, getting the cylinders honed and bored, .003, for the wiseco flat tops, helicoil'd for 2 damn stripped mount holes, and the blockguard installed (yes, pressed and welded in 1/4" down).

Grip72 · 08-17-2005, 08:30 PM

wow..i have no idea what this entire thread meant lmao

IALuder · 08-17-2005, 10:58 PM

nice, i want to see pics of install and dyno numbers.

*ChrisCantSkate* · 08-18-2005, 02:11 AM

wow badass motor man.

sicones · 08-18-2005, 09:17 AM

thats awsome, I want to start a project like that too

ebpda9 · 08-18-2005, 09:54 AM

those look good as hell. what are the specs on the cams that you intend to buy ?

Racing Rice · 08-18-2005, 10:18 AM

*Deliverance Voice* You sure do got a perdy cover boy.

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-18-2005, 11:03 AM

Specs on the cams are
"Advertised Duration":
264/264
Duration @ .050":
221/220
Gross lift @ .075":
422/411

Stock is (234/236) (194/196) (395/380), respectively.

Seems like a lot for turbo, but Ive seen this is the way to go

Quote:

Originally posted by Racing Rice
*Deliverance Voice* You sure do got a perdy cover boy.

I love gooooooold

Racing Rice · 08-18-2005, 12:13 PM

Sounds like it'll be a beast once its done.

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-18-2005, 12:51 PM

Well, Im only hoping for around 140whp before turbo.
I really doubt I'll dyno it before I tune for boost...just seems like a waste of time and money to me. I dont know though...we'll see. Maybe some special dyno day will happen and I can get a deal

*AzCivic* · 08-19-2005, 01:08 PM

sweeeet!!!!!! sounds like an awesome project!

ebpda9 · 08-19-2005, 01:33 PM

yeah, once i finish the body work on my car i will go with a pyr chip, delta cams regrounds and crower dual springs. should boost the power up a bit. ohh and next year a l10 torque converter.

JDMFantasy2k · 08-19-2005, 04:15 PM

good price. You got valves yet?

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-19-2005, 04:48 PM

Im really happy that this project is moving along at a steady pace...not exactly speedy, but steady

I wont be using SS valves, because I dont want to change out the guides for bronze. Plus, the head only had around 60k miles on it and theyre in good shape. Down the road I might, but I dont think anytime soon.

As soon as I shell out the fat wad for the gsr tranny, it will be ready to go in. I might just wait until next spring to do that - Im not swapping over the winter

Mischief · 08-20-2005, 03:33 AM

why going with a GSR tranny?

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-20-2005, 08:58 AM

ls gearing is waaay too long for what Im building
b16 is too short for highway driving
gsr is just right w/ 2 long and 3 medium

JDMFantasy2k · 08-20-2005, 10:41 AM

are the stock valves light enough to hit 8K?

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-20-2005, 11:42 AM

I dont see why not

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-20-2005, 01:57 PM

Found a hydro LS 5th set!

Now I could get that b16 tranny and do highway without going nuts! YAY

JDMFantasy2k · 08-20-2005, 02:24 PM

what RPM do you think a stock b16 tranny would turn on the highway anway? any ideas what you'll turn now?

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-20-2005, 02:40 PM

4000+ at 80
Should be just over 3000, at the same speeds, but Ive never been in an ls on the highway to know for sure.

ebpda9 · 08-20-2005, 02:59 PM

mine is at 3500 @70mph but it is an auto. i would imagine the manuals would be a bit lower.

JDMFantasy2k · 08-20-2005, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
mine is at 3500 @70mph but it is an auto. i would imagine the manuals would be a bit lower.

see i would think it would be the other way around becuause usually they put taller ratios in to compensate for that.

So if the Si trans turns about 4k @80, i'm assuming it does the same on a stock Si? Shit is short. thought mine was bad

*pdiggitydogg* · 08-20-2005, 03:16 PM

yeah, the b16 is nuts for ratios
Ive always heard the manual ls is really tall (taller than auto)

-.NsaNiTi.- · 09-07-2005, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
yeah, the b16 is nuts for ratios
Ive always heard the manual ls is really tall (taller than auto)

thats what Ive heard too.

*AzCivic* · 09-12-2005, 07:49 PM

you can use this to find out exactly what RPM's you'll be at:
http://nonsense.netfirms.com/speed.html

the prelude is at just under 4k rpms @ 80mph, i need a Prelude S 5th gear so I can cruise at around 3350rpms.

*ChrisCantSkate* · 09-13-2005, 02:12 AM

yeah i wish the preludes would be a little lower... when i wana cruse at 85 or 90(florida highways people haul ass) im getting close to 5200.. and that cant be saving fuel

*AzCivic* · 09-13-2005, 09:17 AM

what i'd really like is an AccordR 1-4th and a prelude S 5th, that with a quaife would be sick.

dabouncerx24 · 09-19-2005, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
yeah, the b16 is nuts for ratios
Ive always heard the manual ls is really tall (taller than auto)

80mph @ 3500RPM.

thermal · 09-27-2005, 09:49 AM

THat's gonna be a bad ass set-up man. I'm glad to see you are doing it right the first time Pat. Cam profile has always been a mystery to me cuz I see so many people making more power on N/A cams applied on turbo set-up. I'm using JDM ITR cams for mine. I've seen people make more power on CTR cams that actual aftermarket turbo cams.....

08-17-2005, 05:37 PM	#1
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	"The b18b's power drops off at 6800" Mine wont... The beginnings of 8000rpm LS head I paid $310 shipped for the set. I could only get them at this price by showing the dealer GE's cost of $315 shipped...He wouldnt do 300 :o And here's where theyre going Cams will be Crowers 403 N/A cams. Ive seen dyno plots of people using the 404 strip cams, but I dont want a lumpy idle. The 403 cams will have a bit of lope to them, but I'll just turn the idle screw open so it sits around 1000. She will then spin happily to 8000 I could take it further, if the rods werent rated for only 8500... Before they go in, Im taking the head to a local shop and having a mild port/polish done just to smooth it out and take advantage of the valvetrain. The block is in the shop right now, getting the cylinders honed and bored, .003, for the wiseco flat tops, helicoil'd for 2 damn stripped mount holes, and the blockguard installed (yes, pressed and welded in 1/4" down). Last edited by pdiggitydogg : 08-17-2005 at 05:51 PM.

08-17-2005, 10:58 PM	#3
IALuder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Des Moines IA Age: 37 Posts: 7,908	nice, i want to see pics of install and dyno numbers. __________________ 93 Si H23vtec......soon to be 12lbs 95 Civic EX....automatic DD if you cant dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullshit.

08-18-2005, 02:11 AM	#4
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	wow badass motor man. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

08-18-2005, 09:54 AM	#6
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	those look good as hell. what are the specs on the cams that you intend to buy ? __________________

08-18-2005, 10:18 AM	#7
Racing Rice Project Combat Honda Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Highland,OH Age: 45 Posts: 7,985	Deliverance Voice You sure do got a perdy cover boy. __________________ Racing Rice

08-17-2005, 08:30 PM	#2
Grip72 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Calgary, AB Canada Age: 39 Posts: 2,962	wow..i have no idea what this entire thread meant lmao

08-18-2005, 09:17 AM	#5
sicones Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the MVP garage, New York City Posts: 516	thats awsome, I want to start a project like that too

08-18-2005, 12:13 PM	#9
Racing Rice Project Combat Honda Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Highland,OH Age: 45 Posts: 7,985	Sounds like it'll be a beast once its done. __________________ Racing Rice

08-18-2005, 12:51 PM	#10
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	Well, Im only hoping for around 140whp before turbo. I really doubt I'll dyno it before I tune for boost...just seems like a waste of time and money to me. I dont know though...we'll see. Maybe some special dyno day will happen and I can get a deal

08-19-2005, 01:08 PM	#11
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	sweeeet!!!!!! sounds like an awesome project!

08-19-2005, 01:33 PM	#12
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	yeah, once i finish the body work on my car i will go with a pyr chip, delta cams regrounds and crower dual springs. should boost the power up a bit. ohh and next year a l10 torque converter. __________________

08-19-2005, 04:15 PM	#13
JDMFantasy2k Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: northeastern connecticut Age: 37 Posts: 1,765	good price. You got valves yet? __________________

08-19-2005, 04:48 PM	#14
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	Im really happy that this project is moving along at a steady pace...not exactly speedy, but steady I wont be using SS valves, because I dont want to change out the guides for bronze. Plus, the head only had around 60k miles on it and theyre in good shape. Down the road I might, but I dont think anytime soon. As soon as I shell out the fat wad for the gsr tranny, it will be ready to go in. I might just wait until next spring to do that - Im not swapping over the winter

08-20-2005, 08:58 AM	#16
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	ls gearing is waaay too long for what Im building b16 is too short for highway driving gsr is just right w/ 2 long and 3 medium

08-20-2005, 10:41 AM	#17
JDMFantasy2k Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: northeastern connecticut Age: 37 Posts: 1,765	are the stock valves light enough to hit 8K? __________________

08-20-2005, 11:42 AM	#18
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	I dont see why not

08-20-2005, 01:57 PM	#19
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	Found a hydro LS 5th set! Now I could get that b16 tranny and do highway without going nuts! YAY

08-20-2005, 02:24 PM	#20
JDMFantasy2k Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: northeastern connecticut Age: 37 Posts: 1,765	what RPM do you think a stock b16 tranny would turn on the highway anway? any ideas what you'll turn now? __________________

08-20-2005, 02:40 PM	#21
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	4000+ at 80 Should be just over 3000, at the same speeds, but Ive never been in an ls on the highway to know for sure. Last edited by pdiggitydogg : 08-20-2005 at 02:43 PM.

08-20-2005, 02:59 PM	#22
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	mine is at 3500 @70mph but it is an auto. i would imagine the manuals would be a bit lower. __________________

08-20-2005, 03:16 PM	#24
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	yeah, the b16 is nuts for ratios Ive always heard the manual ls is really tall (taller than auto) Last edited by pdiggitydogg : 08-20-2005 at 10:36 PM.

09-12-2005, 07:49 PM	#26
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	you can use this to find out exactly what RPM's you'll be at: http://nonsense.netfirms.com/speed.html the prelude is at just under 4k rpms @ 80mph, i need a Prelude S 5th gear so I can cruise at around 3350rpms.

09-13-2005, 02:12 AM	#27
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	yeah i wish the preludes would be a little lower... when i wana cruse at 85 or 90(florida highways people haul ass) im getting close to 5200.. and that cant be saving fuel __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

09-13-2005, 09:17 AM	#28
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	what i'd really like is an AccordR 1-4th and a prelude S 5th, that with a quaife would be sick.

09-27-2005, 09:49 AM	#30
thermal Banning Machine Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: My Garage, Va. Posts: 5,547	THat's gonna be a bad ass set-up man. I'm glad to see you are doing it right the first time Pat. Cam profile has always been a mystery to me cuz I see so many people making more power on N/A cams applied on turbo set-up. I'm using JDM ITR cams for mine. I've seen people make more power on CTR cams that actual aftermarket turbo cams..... __________________ Project Teg Visit the Turbo Forum

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