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11-20-2002, 02:03 PM

Has anyone here rebuilt an H22A4 ?? I'm looking for honing techniques on the FRM sleeves. Any comments or suggestions ??

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-20-2002, 11:09 PM

sorry cant help ya there. are you doing the rebuild yourself?

ebpda9 · 11-21-2002, 12:09 AM

never done it, but what are the frm sleeves ?

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 05:53 AM

a brand of sleeves i believe.

11-21-2002, 07:37 AM

yeah i'll be rebuilding it myself if I do it. I rebuild the B-series motors once in a while, but I haven't rebuilt an H22. The H22's have fiber reinforced metal sleeves. You need to run stock rings and cast pistons with them. I was wondering if there are any special honing techniques with these sleeves. I assume there would be.

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 08:29 AM

you cannot use the same type of sleve the h22's have in them if you plan on running new pistons, i am not sure what the stock sleeve is (iron? aluminum?) but basicaly, the fordged pistons will be like rubbing on sandpaper against a h22 stock sleeve, this is one thing i know is a huge difference between b and h serise motors. im going to do some research on your plans though, and report back with my findings

ebpda9 · 11-21-2002, 08:56 AM

in my chilton's manual it says to use just a regular hone when honing them, but then again that's a h22a1

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
in my chilton's manual it says to use just a regular hone when honing them, but then again that's a h22a1

the difference between a h22a1 and h22a4 is mines closed deck, his is open deck, my compression 10:1 his 10.2:1, and if he's putting new sleeves in, i believe he would convert to closed deck... right?

ebpda9 · 11-21-2002, 09:39 AM

what was closed deck again ?

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 09:52 AM

im not 100% on this, but i think open deck the sleeves arnt connected and theres a space ontop of the block(where a block gaurd would go) and closed deck is like an open deck motor with a block gaurd but one piece, has the oil lines run through the block better i think, and is a stronger design.

ebpda9 · 11-21-2002, 10:00 AM

makes sense now thanks

11-21-2002, 12:48 PM

This is a pic of a 92-96 closed deck H22A1.

And this is a pic of an open deck S2K block. Similar to the H22A4.
ouch !!

The H22A1 is a really strong block design compaired to the H22A4, although the H22A4 has superior cooling because it is open deck.

What all does it say about honing the sleeve in your book ??

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 03:12 PM

yeah.... thats what i was kinda trying to explane.

ebpda9 · 11-21-2002, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr Drew
And this is a pic of an open deck S2K block. Similar to the H22A4.
ouch !!

The H22A1 is a really strong block design compaired to the H22A4, although the H22A4 has superior cooling because it is open deck.

What all does it say about honing the sleeve in your book ??

ouch !!!

the book stops at 95. i think 96 was the last year for the h22a1, then in 97 it became the h22a4

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
ouch !!!

the book stops at 95. i think 96 was the last year for the h22a1, then in 97 it became the h22a4

i own the same book, it stops at 95 cause then honda switched over to obd2 i believe. the 96 h22a1 has more in common electricaly with the 5th gens than with the 4th gens i believe

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 03:54 PM

whats going on with the s2k engine? any parts you need to get rid of off of it?

ebpda9 · 11-21-2002, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
i own the same book, it stops at 95 cause then honda switched over to obd2 i believe. the 96 h22a1 has more in common electricaly with the 5th gens than with the 4th gens i believe

from what i saw in hondas the last year of a model shares so many things with ne next generation more than with the same cars from it's own generation

*ChrisCantSkate* · 11-21-2002, 04:00 PM

yeah, 5th gen preludes stole ALOT from 4th gens though. engine, suspension, brakes... definitaly not styling though

11-20-2002, 02:03 PM	#1
Dr Drew Posts: n/a	H22A4 REbuild... Has anyone here rebuilt an H22A4 ?? I'm looking for honing techniques on the FRM sleeves. Any comments or suggestions ??

11-20-2002, 11:09 PM	#2
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	sorry cant help ya there. are you doing the rebuild yourself? __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

11-21-2002, 12:09 AM	#3
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	never done it, but what are the frm sleeves ? __________________

11-21-2002, 05:53 AM	#4
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	a brand of sleeves i believe. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

11-21-2002, 08:29 AM	#6
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	you cannot use the same type of sleve the h22's have in them if you plan on running new pistons, i am not sure what the stock sleeve is (iron? aluminum?) but basicaly, the fordged pistons will be like rubbing on sandpaper against a h22 stock sleeve, this is one thing i know is a huge difference between b and h serise motors. im going to do some research on your plans though, and report back with my findings __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

11-21-2002, 07:37 AM	#5
Dr Drew Posts: n/a	yeah i'll be rebuilding it myself if I do it. I rebuild the B-series motors once in a while, but I haven't rebuilt an H22. The H22's have fiber reinforced metal sleeves. You need to run stock rings and cast pistons with them. I was wondering if there are any special honing techniques with these sleeves. I assume there would be.

11-21-2002, 08:56 AM	#7
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	in my chilton's manual it says to use just a regular hone when honing them, but then again that's a h22a1 __________________

11-21-2002, 09:39 AM	#9
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	what was closed deck again ? __________________

11-21-2002, 09:52 AM	#10
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	im not 100% on this, but i think open deck the sleeves arnt connected and theres a space ontop of the block(where a block gaurd would go) and closed deck is like an open deck motor with a block gaurd but one piece, has the oil lines run through the block better i think, and is a stronger design. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

11-21-2002, 10:00 AM	#11
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 43 Posts: 17,266	makes sense now thanks __________________

11-21-2002, 12:48 PM	#12
Dr Drew Posts: n/a	This is a pic of a 92-96 closed deck H22A1. And this is a pic of an open deck S2K block. Similar to the H22A4. ouch !! The H22A1 is a really strong block design compaired to the H22A4, although the H22A4 has superior cooling because it is open deck. What all does it say about honing the sleeve in your book ??

11-21-2002, 03:12 PM	#13
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	yeah.... thats what i was kinda trying to explane. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

11-21-2002, 03:54 PM	#16
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	whats going on with the s2k engine? any parts you need to get rid of off of it? __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

11-21-2002, 04:00 PM	#18
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	yeah, 5th gen preludes stole ALOT from 4th gens though. engine, suspension, brakes... definitaly not styling though __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

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