Anybdy heard of this?

This thread is great.

Okay lemme see here. I was at Ennis (1/4 mile track) awhile ago with some friends, there was an F-body club and a mustang club doing grudge matches against each other. There was a Boss Mustang there and it came nowhere near 11's. It ran lower 13's on sticky mickeys. The car had been restored so you can't say anything about it being nearly 40 years old.

And "69 Roadrunner 440 six pack - high 12s
70 hemi cuda - high 12s" Now I'm a mopar guy. I have a 73 charger in the garage, but those cars ran in the 13's man. My dad has had a 69 Roadrunner and a 69 GTX with the 440 six packs. Most of the big block musclecars ran high 13's, because of their weight. The mustang only did marginally better.

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by diligent_dave
This thread is great.

Okay lemme see here. I was at Ennis (1/4 mile track) awhile ago with some friends, there was an F-body club and a mustang club doing grudge matches against each other. There was a Boss Mustang there and it came nowhere near 11's. It ran lower 13's on sticky mickeys. The car had been restored so you can't say anything about it being nearly 40 years old.

And "69 Roadrunner 440 six pack - high 12s
70 hemi cuda - high 12s" Now I'm a mopar guy. I have a 73 charger in the garage, but those cars ran in the 13's man. My dad has had a 69 Roadrunner and a 69 GTX with the 440 six packs. Most of the big block musclecars ran high 13's, because of their weight. The mustang only did marginally better.

Those cars I mentioned including the boss429 were named 4 of the 5 fastest production cars of their time BTW.. and there were actually 2 versions of the boss429.. a single 4v version which didn't sell as much, and the more popular dual 4 barrel.. I will send you a pic if I find it... And which boss are you talking about? There were 2 bosses... the 302 and the 429... and many variations of both depending on how streetable you wanted it.. you had the option from drive it every day to race car...

[Kyle]

Originally posted by V8killimports


Ok I will spell it out for you V E R Y slowly for you. YOU claimed that the boss429 did 14s in the 1/4. Let's say they did....now why the hell would Ford use this engine in Nascar? You think they said.. "hey let's use the 429 that run's 14s in the 1/4... I know it runs slow 1/4 but maybe it'll do better for 200 miles". All I asking is to use some logic.. We are no longer talking about the car.. the new subject is how you may be mildly retarded. You said the car did 14s.. you are wrong. Even though the mighty internet told you so.. you are wrong.. Do me a favor, get off the internet.. and do real reasearch.. talk to someone who has owned this car.. read books on it, reports, etc.. BTW I saw on the internet that your car comes with 25hp and does 32 secs in the 1/4...must be true!

lol...this post made me laugh..."I will spell it out for you V E R Y slowly for you"
LOL, man you are still crackin me up...how long did it take to you type that post?
an hour maybe?...or 2?

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude

dude... slicks car on high hp cars that have trouble getting traction will help that much. really, you sound like your not understanding the power of a mucle car.

I know what slicks are and what they're for. Look i understand perfectly the "power" of a muscle car. I also understand that when i go to a track i never see old Muscle cars running low12's and certainly not high 11's stock, in fact the only cars the get close to that are ones with a cam that can barely be idled or one with the whine of a supercharger.

[ChrisCantSkate]

well.. i see 11 second muscle cars every time i goto the track

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic


I know what slicks are and what they're for. Look i understand perfectly the "power" of a muscle car. I also understand that when i go to a track i never see old Muscle cars running low12's and certainly not high 11's stock, in fact the only cars the get close to that are ones with a cam that can barely be idled or one with the whine of a supercharger.

Ummm...those lopy cams you hear are the sweetest sound you will ever hear.. and they idle fine it tuned properly. I have a large cam in mine and it sounds simply sweet with no problems idling at all. Nothing like 3" exhaust with a lopey cam... And yes muscle cars ran 13s and 12s.. add slicks to that and what do you get? I ran slicks once and like I said, almost mad a second difference. Without slicks I burn the tires down the track.. Hard to plant a pair of 245/50/15s with a 2.97 first gear 6 speed and 373 rear gears..

[ebpda9]

wow.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by V8killimports


Ummm...those lopy cams you hear are the sweetest sound you will ever hear.. and they idle fine it tuned properly. I have a large cam in mine and it sounds simply sweet with no problems idling at all. Nothing like 3" exhaust with a lopey cam... And yes muscle cars ran 13s and 12s.. add slicks to that and what do you get? I ran slicks once and like I said, almost mad a second difference. Without slicks I burn the tires down the track.. Hard to plant a pair of 245/50/15s with a 2.97 first gear 6 speed and 373 rear gears..

They weren't just lopy cams, and they sounded like crap. Nothin like watching a car go by thats so loud you have to cover your ears and then see it get a low 13, when judging from the sound of it, should've ran a 10. Face it, muscle cars are not super cars and they all just don't run low 12's like its nothing.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
well.. i see 11 second muscle cars every time i goto the track

Stock!? Really! Are you living in the same domestic dream world that "V8killimports" lives in?

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic


Stock!? Really! Are you living in the same domestic dream world that "V8killimports" lives in?

He never said stock.. now you are really looking like a fool.. getting too excited, not reading the full message, typing too fast... why are you so jealous?? You are so upset that the boss 429 was a badass mofo.. you won't own one, never will, and neither will I.. move on for gods sake.. go put a sticker on your 4 foot aluminum wing or something..

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic


They weren't just lopy cams, and they sounded like crap. Nothin like watching a car go by thats so loud you have to cover your ears and then see it get a low 13, when judging from the sound of it, should've ran a 10. Face it, muscle cars are not super cars and they all just don't run low 12's like its nothing.

Sigh.. you really don'y know anything about power do you? They had their mufflers uncorked and were running open.. that's why it was so loud.. yes it is loud.. I can't even stand it when I do it.. but it's worth it for another 20 or so hp. Sounded like crap??? lol ..you're right..not nearly as good as those coffee can exhaust you prob have.. rofl

[AzCivic]

What the hell did IIIII type! IIIII said stock, he came back with " well I see muscle cars run 11's all the time" so what! Unless he's referring to what I just said, who gives a rats ass.

[ChrisCantSkate]

the boss429 is a stock production engine.... but it was built like the 11 second cars i see run.... please.. your not connecting the most obvious points... its like a performance upgrade package... but provided by ford before you buy the car.. like saying a lingenfiller(sp) c5 corvette is stock.. as far as a stock lingenfiller goes... but its much faster... and that package is from a different company. look at the z06... its an upgraded c5, now imagine an all out upgrade

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude
the boss429 is a stock production engine.... but it was built like the 11 second cars i see run.... please.. your not connecting the most obvious points... its like a performance upgrade package... but provided by ford before you buy the car.. like saying a lingenfiller(sp) c5 corvette is stock.. as far as a stock lingenfiller goes... but its much faster... and that package is from a different company. look at the z06... its an upgraded c5, now imagine an all out upgrade

What 4thgenlude said... he's got it.. and they didn't make 300,000 of these cars.. they either made 299 of 499 I forget which..

[AzCivic]

I really don't care all that much if this car can run 11's or not, it just sounded unbelievable so i looked it up on the internet, and couldn't find anything that even hinted that the car was that fast, so I started a little argument seeing how i was just sitting at work doing nothing. But now I'm tired of talking about it. If it is that fast Great! Ford actually did something right. If it isn't that fast, oh well I don't care any more. Lets move on to something else.

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic
But now I'm tired of talking about it. If it is that fast Great! Ford actually did something right. If it isn't that fast, oh well I don't care any more. Lets move on to something else.

You forget about the 427 cobra that runs 12.2 easily.. That's a ford too..

[AzCivic]

Was the whole car Ford or just the engine?

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Was the whole car Ford or just the engine?

It was a shelby.. as in shelby mustang? The ford motor is what put it in the 12s anyways..

[AzCivic]

Or was it the fact that it hardly weighed anything?

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Or was it the fact that it hardly weighed anything?

You keep dancing around the fact these cars are fast.. I am done with this thread..

[Racing Rice]

Here are a couple more.

# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH/ENGINE
1 1997 Viper GTS 12.05@116 V10
2 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427
3 1990 ZR1 Corvette 12.80@113.8 350
4 1966 L72 Corvette 12.80@112 427
5 1969 Roadrunner 12.91@111.8 440
6 1997 Hurst/Firebird 12.99@103.11 350

Also keep in mind.. Climate, track conditions, etc. affects 1/4 mile times.

[AzCivic]

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml


HMMMM, the BOSS 429 runs what???

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml


HMMMM, the BOSS 429 runs what???

Man, the internet runs your life doesn't it? How sad.. Let's see.. you have shown me different places on the internet that says anywhere from high 14s to 13s now.. And if you pay attention, I have told you that there was a single carb and dual carb 429. The single carb was the more streetable cam, less carb, etc motor. The dual carb being unstreetable.. you know what a carb is right? what about a cam?

[AzCivic]

The diference in times was a whopping .5 sec, or 14.1-13.6
Just keep living in your dream world.
So an extra carb and little wilder cam can drop 2 sec's off your ET???
And why are you so afraid of the internet? Did you watch "The Matrix" one too many times???

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by AzCivic
The diference in times was a whopping .5 sec, or 14.1-13.6
Just keep living in your dream world.
So an extra carb and little wilder cam can drop 2 sec's off your ET???
And why are you so afraid of the internet? Did you watch "The Matrix" one too many times???

You know nothing about engines I see. Where do you get 2 seconds? But yes, 2 large carbs (2 1050 cfm carbs) and a radical cam can easily shave major time off... you don't know jack about V8s. Don't try to pretend you do. Camshafts are the brain of the engine, and the carbs are the heart... 2 most important pieces in an engine.. mismatched they cam make a car run like ass... properly matched and tuned they can make a car scream.

[drdingo21]

man a new cam a carb will take 2 seconds off my times in truck?!?! time for an upgrade! no really it doesn't

[Kyle]

Originally posted by V8killimports


You know nothing about engines I see. Where do you get 2 seconds? But yes, 2 large carbs (2 1050 cfm carbs) and a radical cam can easily shave major time off... you don't know jack about V8s. Don't try to pretend you do. Camshafts are the brain of the engine, and the carbs are the heart... 2 most important pieces in an engine.. mismatched they cam make a car run like ass... properly matched and tuned they can make a car scream.

didn't you say you were done with this thread?...shut up already...we don't care

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by drdingo21
man a new cam a carb will take 2 seconds off my times in truck?!?! time for an upgrade! no really it doesn't

The cam has to match the intake manifold, which has to match the flow on the heads, which has to be backed by a higher compression ratio. More overall flow needs more air from larger or another carb. Go here and read a little about motors.. http://ls1tech.com/ Look at the internal section.. MINOR head porting and a new cam took a LS1 camaro from 305 rwhp to 415 rwhp. 2 seconds? Maybe not.. depends on the car.. but who said anything about 2 seconds anyways? YOU said 13.6 - ONE second = 12.6 which = 12s in the quarter.. and mobbo, I am trying to explain something to him.. arguing somewhat civilized.. yet once again you poke you fat head in here and add your usual amount of brilliance.

[drdingo21]

oh yea how about **** you,its my thread you pice of shit, i was merely saying what he said you ****ing worthless bastard. its not my fault your a stupid pice of shit, and what do you mean with my usual amout of brillance. i ve post in maybe 2 threads with you in there. not to metion your post wasn't there when i posted mine so i didn't see yours. you know you don't have to be an asshole all the time.

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by drdingo21
oh yea how about **** you,its my thread you pice of shit, i was merely saying what he said you ****ing worthless bastard. its not my fault your a stupid pice of shit, and what do you mean with my usual amout of brillance. i ve post in maybe 2 threads with you in there.

ROFL.. I was talking about mobbo..not you

[drdingo21]

oh... well then i fell bad : ( sorry

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by Mobbo

didn't you say you were done with this thread?...shut up already...we don't care

keep personal attacks to yourself

[ChrisCantSkate]

honda guys should know.. a fully built motor can run 13's.. but tnue it and it is 12's.. c'mon guys.. its not jsut the mods done to the engine but the proper tuning as well. its like mis-matching a intercooler or a turbo.. or hell.. even cams on you car. if you jsut add "better" ones then you'll gain a little.. but if you add the best ones for the application you need.. and tune it, then your going to pick up ALOT more hp.

on a side note: 415whp.. i'd hate to see the gigantic tq number that thing is putting out

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by V8killimports

The cam has to match the intake manifold, which has to match the flow on the heads, which has to be backed by a higher compression ratio. More overall flow needs more air from larger or another carb. Go here and read a little about motors.. http://ls1tech.com/ Look at the internal section.. MINOR head porting and a new cam took a LS1 camaro from 305 rwhp to 415 rwhp. 2 seconds? Maybe not.. depends on the car.. but who said anything about 2 seconds anyways? YOU said 13.6 - ONE second = 12.6 which = 12s in the quarter.. and mobbo, I am trying to explain something to him.. arguing somewhat civilized.. yet once again you poke you fat head in here and add your usual amount of brilliance.

The mysterious 2 seconds came from an earlier post that had a link to a 1/4 mile time which was a 13.6 and your argument being that the car (supposedly) came with the option of dual carbs and a wilder cam, and I went out on a limb and thought you were saying that the time came from a car that DIDN'T have those options.

So lets get to the basics: You say the BOSS 429 can run 11's stock. You also say the Shelby Cobra can run low 12's.
I'm sure the Cobra makes as much if not MORE power than the BOSS. And as YOU said it runs low 12's, which makes sense since the car weight in at around 2500lbs(about the weight of a damn civic!) While the BOSS weighs in at a hefty 3500lbs if not more. But yet according to YOU the BOSS can run 11's and the cobra low 12's. I guess that extra half a ton helped out the BOSS in some magical way???
Another link from the scary internet, be careful: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/D...7/Boss429.html

NASCAR. Also known as the Hillbilly Lottery. "Stock" cars, with nothing in common with production cars but the names only, driven by superstar "athletes" with beer bellies and severe halitosis, chase each other around a circle track, which smells heavily of mayonnaise based salads. All the excitement of greyhounds darting after the rabbit at your local dog track, with the exception that the greyhounds sometime explode, much to the enjoyment of the crowd. Beer is also served, much to the enjoyment of the crowd.

Recommended methods of watching NASCAR: Watch the first turn for all the glorious esplosions, then watch Bea Arthur in the Golden Girls or whatever else is on the Lifetime Network. Randomly pick a winner, and be prepared to discuss the most audacious esplosions tomorrow, as well as what Dale would have done with Darryl, Darryl, Darryl and Darryl at the Pick and Pull Used Parts Lot.

Max

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by AzCivic
A full second huh? Well I didn't know that slicks could take THAT much time off you ET. If they can, then I agree it shouldn't be too hard to get a car in the 11's if they can run high 12's on street tires. I guess you learn something new everyday.

right there you admit to it running 12's.. which he is saying it does.

Originally posted by V8killimports
Dunno... I am cool..you are getting too excited though.. the car runs low 12s with street tires.. 11s with cheater slicks. Then we agree then...

there he says it runs 12's

will you give it up already... or post exactly what you want to know.. not a essay on a tangent of this topic..

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 4thGenlude

right there you admit to it running 12's.. which he is saying it does.

there he says it runs 12's

will you give it up already... or post exactly what you want to know.. not a essay on a tangent of this topic..

Perhaps you read my post too quickly...I said IF a car runs 12's and IF slicks can take a second off your ET then the car should be able to run 11's. Where's the part where I "admit" that it runs 12's?????????

[ChrisCantSkate]

im done waisting my breath... im only gonna reply if i see fit.. im done trying to talk logicaly

[V8killimports]

Ok AzCivic.. I dunno about the cobra hp, but the boss429 was written as 375. I can tell you that is wrong.. ford did it so they sould simply sell the car. Actual hp was speculated somewhere in the neighborhood of 600+. I think the cobra was somewhere around 400.. not sure though.. this thread is too long.. I am done for good with this thread... I don't even care anyone what the goddamn thing runs.. I know what mine runs and that's what's important...