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02-17-2003, 10:41 AM
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GSR or B18?
alright i've decided that i'm gonna do a swap sometime but nothing too soon.....but i havent decided on wich motor...wich would be easier to put in? and wich has more HP stock?
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02-17-2003, 10:56 AM
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they are both B18's, the GSR is a B18c and the LS motor is the B18b. They both take about the same time and money to put in. The B18c1(GSR) has 170hp stock while the b18b has 140stock. It all depends on how much you want to spend and what you want in the end. the gsr motor costs more(the engine its self) but has more power while the LS motor is cheaper and lets you have money left over for other mods. Do a LONG search on google and you'll find any and all info there is on these swaps.
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02-17-2003, 12:49 PM
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 when you say B18, please specify which one you're talking about. Pretty much, this guy is correct...but IMO, I would get a second gen B16A which is the same HP as a B18C1 (USDM GSR motor) with a little less tq, but costs on the regular about $800 less than the B18C1. With that extra cash, you can do all sorts of things to your motor It all depends on what you want in the end though...do you want to stay NA or do you want to go FI? |
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02-17-2003, 02:47 PM
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ok i'm an idiot when it comes to motors not of the 8 cylender kind
What NA and is FI fuel injection? i'm hoping i wont have to dump a tone of $ into the motor anyway....if i'm lucky i'll find a trashed car in the junkyard with what i want in it......ohio has tons of junkyards and what used to be the biggest in the US.......so i shouldnt have too much trouble finding a motor for cheep.......i'll even pull it myself since i have my uncle who is a mechanic help me.......... i just want something thats gonna be decently quick and that i can find plenty of parts for when i'm looking for that stuff...... |
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02-17-2003, 02:52 PM
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NA is naturally aspirated and FI is forced induction. Forced induction means you have air being forced into your engine basically, which means you have a supercharger or turbo. Some people consider nitrous to be a form of FI.
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02-17-2003, 03:59 PM
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any b-series motor will have plenty of aftermarket parts available, but i would go w/ a gsr or type r is you got the $
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02-17-2003, 04:23 PM
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eventually a turbo deffinately but for the start it would be just a short ram intake
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02-17-2003, 04:37 PM
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don't forget that the LS motor is NON-vtec and the gsr is vtec... both of these engines have great potential as long as you have the money anything is possible..
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02-18-2003, 11:15 AM
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you could always get the b18b (ls) block and then a b18c1 (gsr) head (=ls/vtec conversion) for it and then get all the other necessary parts...this could also be cheaper if you get them from different places (those not in the know) and youd get to know even more about the engine when you put it together...doing it this way also makes it easier to build up the engine for the FI with better parts like rods and what not
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02-20-2003, 06:54 AM
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oh...and when i go to do it where can i find motor mounts? and are they expensive?
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02-20-2003, 10:57 AM
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nitrous is a form of forced induction. you are forcing the combustion chamber to have a higher amount of o2 than normal
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02-20-2003, 03:29 PM
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yes, some people don't consider it as one, some people do, I for one, do. What do you mean the "combustion chamber"? There are several types of nitrous systems out there...direct port, dry, wet, fogger. What nitrous actually does, is when it reaches a certain degrees of temperature, the molecules seperate and releases a lot of oxygen. |
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02-20-2003, 03:36 PM
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actualy, its at a certain pressure it separates. nitrous(actualy the gas used isnt nitrous(n2), its nitrous-oxide(n2o) ) isnt flamable at all. when pressurized you raise the % of oxygen from the normal ~7% to roughly 33% i believe. you are altering(forcing) the amont of oxygen that your car intakes normaly. all 3 types of nitrous work off the same principal, dry hopes all cylenders get equal amount of n2o and fuel will correct its self, wet hopes the n2o makes it to all cylenders also, but also sends supposably enough fuel with it. direct port directly puts equal amounts to each intake runner.
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02-21-2003, 04:34 AM
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LS/Vtec is good if done properly. I say go GSR(B18C) and if you plan to turbo in the future like you mention then you'll be good. I think the LS bottom end is very strong though, which is what makes it a popular turbo setup. It's just not reliable if not done properly.
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02-21-2003, 08:02 AM
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The air you and your engine breathe is made up, at sea level, of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and just 1% other gases. Nitrous oxide (N2O) is made by simply taking the 2 major components of earth's atmosphere (in this case 2 molecules of nitrogen and 1 molecule of oxygen) and attaching them together with a chemical bond. When the nitrous oxide goes into your engine the heat of combustion breaks the chemical bond to provide your engine more oxygen with which to burn fuel. THANK YOU COME AGAIN |
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02-21-2003, 08:04 AM
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OH, and I know that it's n2o, don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about when you sir are the one with the BS coming from his keyboard
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02-21-2003, 10:32 PM
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You both just expained the same process with different wording.
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02-22-2003, 10:04 PM
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b16a2 has a tad less HP and cost mucho less!
but if it were me, i'd want b18c (it ryhmes but i didn't plan that...)  |
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02-23-2003, 10:52 PM
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bah.....who cares about the N02 crap? i might go ith the b16a2....what car would i look for it to be in? ex,lx,dx?? and year......some dick at a junkyard call all foreign autopartsd told me that the GSR motor would cost me $3800 and thats with 60k miles on it and i told him to stick up his ass......
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02-23-2003, 11:05 PM
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at a junkyard the only cars you could find w/ a b16 would be..
b16a3---94-95 del sol b16a2---96-97 del sol and 99-00 civic si |
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02-24-2003, 12:24 AM
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no shit? i just say a 95 delsol in the junkyard saturday...and when we popped the hood the only thing missing was the oil cap.....but that could be serious problems if the hood had been left open during rain and crap
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02-24-2003, 01:37 AM
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i forgot to say the b16's are only in the del sol vtec models, the si and s models have d-series |
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02-24-2003, 01:39 AM
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i d have to say get the ls then do a vtec head swap. ls block is one of hondas strongest blocks u can get.
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02-24-2003, 01:41 AM
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what would the head cost me?
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02-24-2003, 02:54 AM
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i've seen them go for $500 or so.
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02-24-2003, 01:52 PM
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not likely. |
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04-24-2003, 08:44 PM
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I'm mainly coming to these forums to find out as much as possible, so heres a somewhat dumb question, whats a block and whats a head?
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04-24-2003, 08:58 PM
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block be da engine yo! head be the top part of the engine yo! nuff said... IF I WERE YOU... since u are planning on the turbocharger then i would go for the B18C (GS-R motor) though all the other motors are nice turboed to0... um yea if u do the Del Sol thing MAKE sure u get a VTEC engine and not a D-series... cuz u ain't going anywhere fast with them... believe me... *cough* |
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04-25-2003, 09:19 AM
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no, actually the B16A2 is more than a B18C1 since it's not a very "plentiful" motor. I think you're thinking of a Second Gen B16A, which is usually about $800 less like I already stated once in this thread. |
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04-25-2003, 09:20 AM
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B16A2 is only found in the 99-00 Civic SI or SiR in Canada. |
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04-25-2003, 09:20 AM
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read above post |
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04-25-2003, 09:23 AM
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No dude, the a2 is in the 1996-97 del sol vtec too
(I can take a pic of the engine code for you if you want) |
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04-25-2003, 09:28 AM
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if you can't give a straight answer, don't answer at all. The block of the motor is the bottom part of the engine, it contains the crank, connecting rods, pistons etc. and has the tranny attached to it. The head of your motor is the top part which contains the valves, valve springs, cams, rockers etc. The head has the valve cover on top where the spark plugs are located, where the intake manifold connects and where the exhaust manifold connects. Also, if you are planning to go turbo, get a B18B (Integra LS engine) due to it's lower compression ratio um yea, there are D series motors that are VTEC (D16Z6, D16Y8 etc) And yeah, there are plenty of fast D series motors out there, it is just easier with the DOHC motors since they have more HP to begin with. |
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04-26-2003, 01:49 PM
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What is the block and what is the head? i'm really confused on that, someone plz help me.
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04-26-2003, 01:51 PM
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oops, i guess i asked the question to late, sorry.
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04-26-2003, 01:57 PM
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What if you were planning on going supercharge? would it still be better to get an LS motor?
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