.:HSTuners::

CivicSlug · 09-29-2003, 06:18 PM

I've got a bad rod. Its about to go, need too....
1) Get engine rebuilt
2) Buy a replacement/rebuilt engine of the same kind
3) Buy a Civic Type R JMD spec engine
These are my options as I see it.

Before anyone starts talking about engine swaps, STOP!! I need to do this on a budget, and I want to be able to use exsisting mods.

I'm looking for some good advice on each of my options, Thanks!

*AzCivic* · 09-29-2003, 07:54 PM

take this problem as a blessing and replace the rods/pistons w/ aftermarkets and you'll be ready for +300hp(with turbo obviously)

so for about 1500$ total (includes labor so even cheaper if you do it yourself)you'll have basically a new engine that can with stand a good deal of boost.

*pdiggitydogg* · 09-29-2003, 08:13 PM

I agree...in this particular instance, Id rebuild as well...upgraded parts of couse

CivicSlug · 09-29-2003, 08:58 PM

I do take this problem as a blessing, seeing how I do have/an had planned on installing a JSC. So rebuilding is the best idea?, Thanks. Any suggestions on which aftermarket comp. to go with, maybe even a rough estimate on prices.

*AzCivic* · 09-29-2003, 09:01 PM

do you already have the JRSC?

CivicSlug · 09-30-2003, 04:17 AM

Yes, I already have the JRSC, but it has not yet been installed.

*pdiggitydogg* · 09-30-2003, 09:58 AM

personally, i say sell the jrsc and get a turbo with the money you make from it

*AzCivic* · 09-30-2003, 06:26 PM

hmmm well since you already have it, either sell it and get a turbo kit or better yet go ahead and rebuild the engine, put on the supercharger then when funds are available put on a turbo too.

*pdiggitydogg* · 09-30-2003, 09:17 PM

turbo/sc combo??

CivicSlug · 09-30-2003, 09:22 PM

Thanks for the advice. Sorry, no turbo for me. The supercharger will be plenty... for now, maybe in the future if this engine holds up. Remember, I'm working on a budget. If I end up loosing this engine, then I'll think about it.

Can I get some ideas on what type/make of rods and pistons to use? What would be the best set up for my ride?

*AzCivic* · 09-30-2003, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
turbo/sc combo??

yup!

*AzCivic* · 09-30-2003, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CivicSlug
Thanks for the advice. Sorry, no turbo for me. The supercharger will be plenty... for now, maybe in the future if this engine holds up. Remember, I'm working on a budget. If I end up loosing this engine, then I'll think about it.

Can I get some ideas on what type/make of rods and pistons to use? What would be the best set up for my ride?

since you're just running a JRSC you could actually just use OEM components, a step up from that would be Eagle rods and SRP pistons.

CivicSlug · 09-30-2003, 09:31 PM

Yeh? Whats with Turbo/SC combo?? That can't be what you meant, is it?

*AzCivic* · 09-30-2003, 09:37 PM

yes! thats what i mean! just run the supercharger till you have enough for the turbo, then add on the turbo. resulting in good low end power and less turbo lag from the supercharger and lots of top end from the turbo. its the best of both worlds! granted you'll need to do some good tuning and have a standalone ecu w/ larger injectors. just something to think about.

Shaved &/or Laid · 10-02-2003, 09:56 PM

IALuder · 10-03-2003, 11:46 AM

well sorry to say but with a turbo/sc combo one will cancell out the other. youll either end up with a sc or turbo in your run. most of the time the sc wins and you never feel your turbo kick in(becuase it doesnt).

ben

*AzCivic* · 10-03-2003, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SFKing
well sorry to say but with a turbo/sc combo one will cancell out the other. youll either end up with a sc or turbo in your run. most of the time the sc wins and you never feel your turbo kick in(becuase it doesnt).

ben

ummm no, you're wrong.

*pdiggitydogg* · 10-03-2003, 12:29 PM

dude...can i see some pics and dynos of this combo? I've thought about it before...but gave it up as just being some of my wild imagination...

edit**i know some rally cars do it..but id like to see it on a normal street car

*AzCivic* · 10-03-2003, 12:48 PM

hmm i havent really seen any dyno sheets.
theres this: http://www.teammeguiars.com/feat_typer.asp
but it doesnt really give you any info.

most people just deal with a little lag from a well thought out turbo setup, and make all the power they want.

*pdiggitydogg* · 10-03-2003, 12:58 PM

yeah ive seen that too...oh well
i tried h-t and found nothin there either really...
no biggie

*AzCivic* · 10-03-2003, 01:48 PM

you should take out a loan and be the first!

*pdiggitydogg* · 10-03-2003, 10:51 PM

loan...yeah right...I got enough things to worry about than another loan

nonovurbizniz · 10-05-2003, 06:19 PM

I think that thing is twin supercharged... not turbo/sc...

but this....

http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...P8020012_2.jpg

Has both (look below the twin turbo's).

CivicSlug · 10-11-2003, 08:17 AM

OK, SC/Turbo combo, I hear you. I'll keep that in consideration. Sorry I haven't responded sooner, its been a bad week! I blew my rod, spent the last week with my mech looking at different options for this problem.
First; we were going to go with a JDM Civic Type R motor swap, including trans, ECU, and front suspention. That turned out to be a bad idea. More money would be needed in the long run to make it all work properly. So scratch that.
We decided that a complete rebuild was in order- not just a typical rebuild- a Civic 1.6L SOHC VTEC Blower motor.

See what you think about this?

Bored/Stroked, Port/Polish, Polished crank, Forged rods, Low-compression pistons, Twisted valves, Titanium springs, JR cam, Copper headgasket, -my JRSC-, Fuel pressure regulator, JR ECU upgrade, Stage III clutch, and all guages (boost,fuel press,oil press,h2o temp,a/f ratio) + all my other mods.

Installed with warrenty- (parts/labor) for the same price of a 1.6L SOHC VTEC new from "Jasper" or "Mid-Atlantic"

What do you think of that? Does it sound like a good deal?

10-20-2003, 10:17 AM

so tell me... how would the sc cancel out the turbo... it's not like the turbo will stop work, as long as there's exhaust, there's turbo

VR4_Craver · 10-30-2003, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
I think that thing is twin supercharged... not turbo/sc...

I was just gonna say that but that would certainly be neat to see that work..... Would you need to intercoolers though? And two different BOV or wastegates or something of the such?

nonovurbizniz · 11-01-2003, 05:15 PM

to see what work?

All of the things mentioned exist and have worked for people..

dual sc
dual turbo
turbo/sc

09-29-2003, 06:18 PM	#1
CivicSlug 1st Gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 25	need some serious opinions! I've got a bad rod. Its about to go, need too.... 1) Get engine rebuilt 2) Buy a replacement/rebuilt engine of the same kind 3) Buy a Civic Type R JMD spec engine These are my options as I see it. Before anyone starts talking about engine swaps, STOP!! I need to do this on a budget, and I want to be able to use exsisting mods. I'm looking for some good advice on each of my options, Thanks!

10-02-2003, 09:56 PM	#15
Shaved &/or Laid 4th Gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 37 Posts: 853	sex __________________ Doody Ej1 Yse.

10-03-2003, 11:46 AM	#16
IALuder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Des Moines IA Age: 38 Posts: 7,908	well sorry to say but with a turbo/sc combo one will cancell out the other. youll either end up with a sc or turbo in your run. most of the time the sc wins and you never feel your turbo kick in(becuase it doesnt). ben __________________ 93 Si H23vtec......soon to be 12lbs 95 Civic EX....automatic DD if you cant dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullshit.

10-05-2003, 06:19 PM	#23
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 46 Posts: 2,693	I think that thing is twin supercharged... not turbo/sc... but this.... http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...P8020012_2.jpg Has both (look below the twin turbo's). __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

11-01-2003, 05:15 PM	#27
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 46 Posts: 2,693	to see what work? All of the things mentioned exist and have worked for people.. dual sc dual turbo turbo/sc __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

09-29-2003, 07:54 PM	#2
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	take this problem as a blessing and replace the rods/pistons w/ aftermarkets and you'll be ready for +300hp(with turbo obviously) so for about 1500$ total (includes labor so even cheaper if you do it yourself)you'll have basically a new engine that can with stand a good deal of boost.

09-29-2003, 08:13 PM	#3
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	I agree...in this particular instance, Id rebuild as well...upgraded parts of couse

09-29-2003, 08:58 PM	#4
CivicSlug 1st Gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 25	I do take this problem as a blessing, seeing how I do have/an had planned on installing a JSC. So rebuilding is the best idea?, Thanks. Any suggestions on which aftermarket comp. to go with, maybe even a rough estimate on prices.

09-29-2003, 09:01 PM	#5
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	do you already have the JRSC?

09-30-2003, 04:17 AM	#6
CivicSlug 1st Gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 25	Yes, I already have the JRSC, but it has not yet been installed.

09-30-2003, 09:58 AM	#7
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	personally, i say sell the jrsc and get a turbo with the money you make from it

09-30-2003, 06:26 PM	#8
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	hmmm well since you already have it, either sell it and get a turbo kit or better yet go ahead and rebuild the engine, put on the supercharger then when funds are available put on a turbo too.

09-30-2003, 09:17 PM	#9
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	turbo/sc combo??

09-30-2003, 09:22 PM	#10
CivicSlug 1st Gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 25	Thanks for the advice. Sorry, no turbo for me. The supercharger will be plenty... for now, maybe in the future if this engine holds up. Remember, I'm working on a budget. If I end up loosing this engine, then I'll think about it. Can I get some ideas on what type/make of rods and pistons to use? What would be the best set up for my ride?

09-30-2003, 09:31 PM	#13
CivicSlug 1st Gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 25	Yeh? Whats with Turbo/SC combo?? That can't be what you meant, is it?

09-30-2003, 09:37 PM	#14
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	yes! thats what i mean! just run the supercharger till you have enough for the turbo, then add on the turbo. resulting in good low end power and less turbo lag from the supercharger and lots of top end from the turbo. its the best of both worlds! granted you'll need to do some good tuning and have a standalone ecu w/ larger injectors. just something to think about.

10-03-2003, 12:29 PM	#18
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	dude...can i see some pics and dynos of this combo? I've thought about it before...but gave it up as just being some of my wild imagination... edit**i know some rally cars do it..but id like to see it on a normal street car

10-03-2003, 12:48 PM	#19
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	hmm i havent really seen any dyno sheets. theres this: http://www.teammeguiars.com/feat_typer.asp but it doesnt really give you any info. most people just deal with a little lag from a well thought out turbo setup, and make all the power they want.

10-03-2003, 12:58 PM	#20
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	yeah ive seen that too...oh well i tried h-t and found nothin there either really... no biggie

10-03-2003, 01:48 PM	#21
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 43 Posts: 3,804	you should take out a loan and be the first!

10-03-2003, 10:51 PM	#22
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 40 Posts: 10,579	loan...yeah right...I got enough things to worry about than another loan

10-11-2003, 08:17 AM	#24
CivicSlug 1st Gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 25	OK, SC/Turbo combo, I hear you. I'll keep that in consideration. Sorry I haven't responded sooner, its been a bad week! I blew my rod, spent the last week with my mech looking at different options for this problem. First; we were going to go with a JDM Civic Type R motor swap, including trans, ECU, and front suspention. That turned out to be a bad idea. More money would be needed in the long run to make it all work properly. So scratch that. We decided that a complete rebuild was in order- not just a typical rebuild- a Civic 1.6L SOHC VTEC Blower motor. See what you think about this? Bored/Stroked, Port/Polish, Polished crank, Forged rods, Low-compression pistons, Twisted valves, Titanium springs, JR cam, Copper headgasket, -my JRSC-, Fuel pressure regulator, JR ECU upgrade, Stage III clutch, and all guages (boost,fuel press,oil press,h2o temp,a/f ratio) + all my other mods. Installed with warrenty- (parts/labor) for the same price of a 1.6L SOHC VTEC new from "Jasper" or "Mid-Atlantic" What do you think of that? Does it sound like a good deal?

10-20-2003, 10:17 AM	#25
Mirkwo0dForest Posts: n/a	so tell me... how would the sc cancel out the turbo... it's not like the turbo will stop work, as long as there's exhaust, there's turbo

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