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[thermal]

Daym.... whatever happened to boost heads on this site? I dont see them anymore. It feels as if I'm the last mofo here..... Gotta do somethin. I just dont know what.......

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Buy me a turbo setup and I'll join you

[ebpda9]

help me piece out mine . it just has to work with a high compression engine.

[thermal]

High compression plus inline pro head gasket equals decent boost. Take the FMU out of the equation too. Use Hondata or EMS. U can run 8 psi on that stock H22 and kick some ass dude. Use a T3T04e 57 A/R wheel and 63 A/R turbine.

[ebpda9]

nah, i don't have a h22, i have a f22 sohc non-vtec. it will go from 8.5:1 to 9.4:1 with ceramic coating on the pistons

[4g63t]

I'm a boost head.

[thermal]

Welcome boost head..... DSM style

[4g63t]

What do you run in the 1/4 mile?

[thermal]

I was very busy trying to help other friends to get their car fixed. My plan was to finish my civic before the end of the season. I was one mod too late. Now the track is closed until spring.

Hey I've got several questions for ya, so that I too will be a boost head.

[thermal]

ask away bro. Are you the same kaoticcivic from SHO and HV?

[ebpda9]

well bro i am gonna make a new thread soon about my new custom turbo kit

[ShEaNy]

So The F22 is a Good engine to Turbo cause of the low compression ratio? what else would u have to do to it mod wise? H22 is outa hand for me price wise..

[thermal]

It will cost close to $3000 to get a decent turbo set-up on any car. If you have 6 digits on the mileage, you have to get a leak down and compression test first to ensure that the motor can at least hold low boost (about 5psi). I know somebody on a different board who has an F22 turbo. He loves it!

Yes, generally low compression motors are great for turbocharging. Mod wise, I say get a high flow catalytic converter and a minimum of 2.25 inch exhaust pipe diameter. This will allow for better exahsut flow therefore spooling the turbo quicker. It makes so much of a difference. Other than that, running low boost is not as complicated. A boost dependent FMU will work for fuel enrichment at boost. i also advice to get your injectors cleaned or enlarged to at least a 310 prelude injectors or any aftermarket brands.

[ShEaNy]

I already have the 2.25 inch diameter exhaust with no cat. does anythin like PnP, and building the head help ... Is your $3000 in U.S. funds? and exactly what do i get for that price...

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

i can't wait to get my Greddy 19T kit! so i guess i'm not a boost head til next spring..

i don't think 3k is really necessary...
fmu- 150
fuel pump- 100
intercooler and piping- depends on how big you want it
turbo- 50-100
manifold- i've seen them as low as 100
injectors- as low as 200
you'll need to modify your exhaust, or... just go with 3" from the turbo back, no cat, that's what i have
you'll obviously need new internals for high boost, the non-maintenance stuff is just icing on the cake
did i forget anything? it's getting late for my brain...

[4g63t]

If you can afford 3k, here's what i'd do......buy a jdm 4g63t with like 40k on it from japan for like 1400 and spend like another 500-100 to make it fit. Then you have extra money for mods. Total sleeper. Or get a 2jz engine. In my opinion your gonna run into some problems if you turbo an engine that wasnt meant to be trubo'd. I mean sure you could run 5psi, but what's the fun in that? It's almost not even worth it. I dont kno though, i'll never get you honda guys? It must be that you have the money to buy a 5k car and then spend several hundred dollars to add a couple horse. If your into honda engines though i suppose it'd be pretty cool to have a turbo'd one with a big fmic. Make all the ricers out there . What do you all wanna talk about in the turbo talk section?

[ShEaNy]

k well i have a low compression engine and i cant afford a new engine...i only have like 130k on a 91 accord....im sure ill pass
the compression test if not ill do what it takes to get it right

come on man, i'm in the same boat that you are, at least offer some advice... we both know that a 2jz is going to bring his total WAY over 3k, just for the engine. the 4g63 i could see, i'm mildly surprised that more people haven't tried it yet.

i think you should drive your car all winter the way it is. keep saving $$$ until spring. if your car is still is good mechanical condition by spring, then go through it from front to back, top to bottom to make sure it's healthy. at that point, begin modding.

[thermal]

Okay I was misinterpreted. I guess a "decent" set-up is too general of a category. Out there is right. If you just want a turbo set-up, providing that your leak down and compression test is excellent, you can do this:
-Internally gated T28, T3 super 60, TD05 (junkyard)= $100-200
-custom turbo manifold= $300-500
-custom piping= $150
-custom intercooler= $250
-Eclipse blow off valve (BOV)= $50-100 (used)
-Fuel management (APEXi SAFC)= $200 (used)
-DSM 450cc injectors/resistor box= $75 (used)
-Oil lines, tubing, fittings, clamps,= $100-150
-Autometer boost gauge= $60
-Autometer A/F ratio gauge= $60 (acurate only at WOT) or EGT gauge= $120-200
-Timer= $75-100
-255LPH intank fuel pump= $100
-NGK 7 series spark plugs= $15-25

With the list on top, the average will be $1500-1700. The SAFC, DSM 450cc/resistor box is only required on an AFC hack set-up. If the hack is not incorporated, a boost dependent FMU can be used.

With $3K, you may even be able to get some internals upgraded. What's gonna kill you on this project is the labor. If you do not do most of these yourself. You'll end paying close to $3000 still but without internal build. www.homemadeturbo.com/forum has so much info and different routes to take. If you are serious about this mod, I'll email my turbo accord F22 buddy and have him give you pointers......

Note: All prices is in U.S. dollar currency

[ebpda9]

ok the 2 dsm heads there: we are talking about the f22a engines here. to make another engine fir in there will be a pain in the ass. Also the f22 is a very detuned engine: 8.5:1 CR, not too much lift, and the cam duration is under 160 degrees of the crank rotation. with a proper cam the engine will easily be boosted to 160-170hp. a new set of turbo pistons( 8.8:1cr or 9.4:1) will run only 500 with the rings and wrist pins, then ceramic coat them for 150 more and you will get one sweet ass engine that is ready to be boosted to about 15psi. and about 280hp on a fwd car is more than enough to get you killed.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by sohc_vtec 2NR
i can't wait to get my Greddy 19T kit! so i guess i'm not a boost head til next spring..

having a turbo won't make you a boost head

[sohc_vtec 2NR]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
having a turbo won't make you a boost head

yeah yeah...

having a turbo installed in a vehicle that is tuned to run a decent amount of boost; does that count?

[thermal]

Being addicted to boost makes you a boost head

[4g63t]

I dont know how much boost youve felt in your honda, but im suprised you could be addicted to it with only 10psi. Youve got a respectable car though. Way more suffisticated than several others and the typical rice ive seen.

[thermal]

My car is not the only boosted Honda I've driven. I have driven a 24 psi boosted built B18 Integra with full interior. Drove it several times. It was a crazy feeling, both fear and excitement. He ocasionally takes it to the track, but he couldnt do more than a few runs because they require him to have a roll cage. He was running mid to low 11's on slicks.

Funny thing is, I really am not interested on driving any other car unless it is boosted.... and it doesnt matter what car. GSX rocks by the way.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by 4g63t
If you can afford 3k, here's what i'd do......buy a jdm 4g63t with like 40k on it from japan for like 1400 and spend like another 500-100 to make it fit. Then you have extra money for mods. Total sleeper. Or get a 2jz engine. In my opinion your gonna run into some problems if you turbo an engine that wasnt meant to be trubo'd. I mean sure you could run 5psi, but what's the fun in that? It's almost not even worth it. I dont kno though, i'll never get you honda guys? It must be that you have the money to buy a 5k car and then spend several hundred dollars to add a couple horse. If your into honda engines though i suppose it'd be pretty cool to have a turbo'd one with a big fmic. Make all the ricers out there . What do you all wanna talk about in the turbo talk section?

putting any of those engines in is a stupid waste of time. a stock honda engine can handle more than 5psi.

[ShEaNy]

ok now that we're talkin about MY engine, thanx to hondaman, for lettin those guys know. when you say cam do you mean cam shaft, and/or gears?

[thermal]

^cam shaft

[ebpda9]

yeah, we are reffering to camshafts.

anyway to make this topic more interesting: i've heard lots of comments that an auto is better if you have a turbo cause you don't rip the clutch that much. is it true? knowing the honda trannies especially the APX4's i tend to believe that is bull. my tranny is out with only 125 hp 137ft-lbs in it's n/a form

[4g63t]

lol..........auto is never better. Having an auto turbo car is wierd. Stick you have way more control. Say if im cruising down the road in 4th gear(dsm auto=4spd) And i stand on it....it'll drop to like 3rd, then 2nd really quick and it's jerky, the rpm's get all screwed up and your turbo spooling curve is jacked up. Maybe dsm auto's just suck though?

I'm a boost head, and I don't even have my car boosted yet. I am doing an HMT setup, extreme low budget. *coughghettocough*

I have all my stuff except for injectors, plan on grabbing them real soon, installing over Christmas break. I have yet to figure out exactly how I am going to install my VAFC, since I am colorblind... I guess I will need some help... anyone here from mid to southeastern VA and had experience installing/tuning VAFC that would be interested in helping a "disciple of boost" out?

you ask, how can I be a boost head and not be boosted? let me explain. I have been addicted to boost, or the quest for boost, for several months now. I am buried with school work now, this has left me with no other choice but (in the spare minutes I have between work) to sit and look at my turbo/mani/dp, to disassemble it, to clean my turbo, to reassemble it, and then to dream of that elusive day when I will actually have the time to install it on my car. This addiction has also led me to spend several hours every single day scouring HMT, HT/FI, D16Turbo, HST, and others to learn something new, to pass something along that I have learned to someone else, or to try to figure out how the heck the VAFC hack works, which I still don't fully understand even after spending probably 50-some hours reading up on it. I think I will just have to install and play with it to understand it.

haha, goodnight people.

[4g63t]

Disgard what i said earlier about autos. Looking back on what i wrote i dont think i got my point across. I'm really smarter than that.

[thermal]

Right. Turbo auto tranny is not as bad as people think. Car manufacturers wouldnt design it if it wouldnt be effective. I've seen mustangs....... yes mustangs....... auto with turbo and rip the track with 11's. If the tranny can be set to where it doesnt shift to higher RPM, it will surely kick some ass since it will be a consistent air flow applied to spool the turbo. Auto tranny can actually keep the turbo spooled up better if given the right tuning and set-up....

WOW! this thread has grown!

[ebpda9]

ok, just a change of plans. i found a tsi turbo kit for 1800 which has a garret t25 turbo. it is able to spool up to 15psi. Is that turbo pretty much adequate for my f22 ?

[thermal]

A little small but it will be great for auto. I think a T3 super 60 will be the best for you. It will be fine tho. Lots of bottom end torque like the TSi.

[4g63t]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
ok, just a change of plans. i found a tsi turbo kit for 1800 which has a garret t25 turbo. it is able to spool up to 15psi. Is that turbo pretty much adequate for my f22 ?

Hairdryer turbo man. 15 is maxing it out to be honest. I think it would be alright though if your looking for a little extra boost. It'll be spooled soo fast though. I think you should go for a 14b possibly. Same exhaust housing if im not mistaken. If you can find a tsi turbo kit then you should be able to find a 1g tsi turbo kit.