Military School

[Kyle]

YEah, thats true...
I'm not saying i'm totally sure animals are gonna evolve to have technology or whatever...just saying it could happen...their brains could become more comlex than ours.

[AzCivic]

Only time will tell, and it aint gonna tell us cause we'll be long gone.

[Kyle]

:o

[4jacks]

Originally posted by Kyle
I don't believe in god...
The thing is...i wanna smoke, and drink...and do whatever else i want, be it illegal or legal, and this might be the only thing that can stop me from doing all that "bad stuff."
I know that if i stay where i am...nothing's going to change...i'll keep doing what i'm doing except i'll just be more careful abotu getting caught.
And I'm kinda fond of the fact that going to military school will help me in the Navy or AF(it will right?)
I'm a smart guy...could do well if i cared...
And even if it doesn't work out...and i feel like i'm gonna kill myself if i go to a military school...maybe that hanging over my head will help me work stuff out...

No going to military school will not HELP you in the AF or Navy, ROTC in HS will help you, but going to military school, only lets people know that you were a troubled youth.

If you WANNA smoke, drink, and all that other stuff, then nothing will change, you wont' change any of your habits unless you first admit that it is a stronghold in your life. Once you Admit that you have a stronghold in your life, you have to reliaze that you need more than will power to overcome a strong hold.

If you have a stronghold in your life, whether it be sex, drugs, gambling, violence, or whatever. You just need to let god fix it, the people who rely on themselves are the ones who fail over and over again.

First you have to start with what you opened with, "You don't believe in God" How can you live in this world and not admit that someone had to create it, we are much more than an evolved animal. If you need a more scientifical approach, ask anybody to scientically explained the existense of Good and Evil. To deny that there are good and evil forces acting in our world is insane. And evolution will never be able to explain it. The fact remains there is a God. Once you reliaze that there is a God, finding him is not hard, just sincerely pray that god would show himself to you and he will, keep praying don't stop.

Well I hope that helps a little, it's the only way of which i know how to overcome a stronghold.
Please e-mail me if you have any Q's.. i don't read off topic as much as I would like .

[Kyle]

I don't believe in god..
i believe that there is no heaven, hell, god, devil and probably any other of the crap in the bible...there is good and evil because some people are dickheads and some are nice...it's as simple as that...i'm sick of people trying to force their stupid ass beliefs on me...just stfu...i don't need people giving me crap about religion...my religion is no religion...and it's gonna stay that way.

[4jacks]

Originally posted by Kyle
well, just think about it...we were just like them once...except our bodies were totally dif...we didn't have machines and other comlex shit like that...but eventually we learned..and we eventually started evolving and starting learning more...it makes sense...

Stating that some atoms got together and exploded, forming our world and eventualy humans evolved, is like saying that I'm going to take my watch apart into the 200 peices that make up my watch, I'm going to take all those 200 peices and throw them up in the air until they all get together and form my watch again.

[Kyle]

it's just like saying some dude came and waved his hands and heaven and earth was there...

[Kyle]

If there truly was a god, there wouldn't be death...there wouldn't be pain. EVeryone would live in peace...it's bs

[Rob]

Originally posted by Kyle
If there truly was a god, there wouldn't be death...there wouldn't be pain. EVeryone would live in peace...it's bs

Alright....I was done with this thread but felt that I had to put my $0.02 in again....first of all, Kyle is right...we can't force religion on him if he doesn't want to believe....everyone has they're right to believe what they want to....just know this Kyle, you have to have some kind of structure in your life or you are going to be traveling down a road of shit for the remainder of your life....

Second, about your comment.....if there wasn't such a thing as death they're would be a slight problem with over population of the planet which we are having issues with as it is right now in certain countries/places....as for pain, well...true on earth, there is alot of pain...in a lot of different forms but if you believe in the afterlife (which you don't and that's fine), then all pain disappears when your soul leaves your body but that's a whole other story and we won't get into that.......

And as for living in peace, since you don't believe in Heaven and GOD, then no.....there's no such thing.........

Originally posted by AzCivic
Be a mechanic in the military.

good point, listen to me bro, you like working on cars...correct? i'll try to help you out, you can go to the marines, after bootcamp, get your MOS, and work on HUMMERS, and all kinds of shit, learn all about it, AND, where i'm going to be stationed, they have a state of the art shop for all marines to use, NO cost, liftes, tools, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING you need to fix your car up, and its not used for Military vehaciles, its for any marines to use on there own personal cars, like when i get there, you best beleive i'm going to be useing that shop, i like running 10s, but i just need to go faster, so i have not decided my new path, thinking about saving some money up and doing a 427 over the 383,.....but anyways like i'm saying bro, you can go to the marines, work on car and other cool ass shit, learn all about it FOR FREE, 100% paided for, free room and board, free use of a state of the art shop, and you get to hold the title MARINE! which soon here i will have the plesure of be able to say, somthing to think about, your still young......good luck bro!

Originally posted by Kyle
If there truly was a god, there wouldn't be death...there wouldn't be pain. EVeryone would live in peace...it's bs

hey i feel its my duty to pass this on.........read the bible, you might be suprised at what you learn and realize, it WILL enlighten you, it may seem boring, but man, you will be a better person after reading it, it really does open your eyes to EVEYRTHING, i mean you don't have too, but its worth a shot, i'm not saying your going ot read it and your life will be fee of everything, god PUT sin on this earth, he also gave you a brain, he gave you choices, its just up to you tomake the right ones, i'm not going to lie, i've made some really bad choices in my life i never should have made, stay in school, graduate, theres not better feeling man, ........think about it man...its not BS.......

[Rob]

Originally posted by FAST97WS6
hey i feel its my duty to pass this on.........read the bible, you might be suprised at what you learn and realize, it WILL enlighten you, it may seem boring, but man, you will be a better person after reading it, it really does open your eyes to EVEYRTHING, i mean you don't have too, but its worth a shot, i'm not saying your going ot read it and your life will be fee of everything, god PUT sin on this earth, he also gave you a brain, he gave you choices, its just up to you tomake the right ones, i'm not going to lie, i've made some really bad choices in my life i never should have made, stay in school, graduate, theres not better feeling man, ........think about it man...its not BS.......

AMEN!

[slowEJ6]

why does it seem some people cant just let others have their own path of thinking? damn people always trying to force religion on others - you arent going to get your point across. to you it sounds silly that people think its all about evolution and coincidences. to me it sounds silly that you think "God" just did this all on his own as if a "being" could have this kind of power. sorry, that doesnt fly with me.
and i already know about the "bang" and how "coincidental" it is that the earth is how it is today, but hey...shit happens - science is where im at, ive been into the whole evolution/outer space thing since 6th grade and i read whatever i can about it, and i watch whatever is on tv about it when something interesting is on and im just chillin at home. :thumbup:

[AzCivic]

Its not like were knocking on your door everyday trying to get you to listen to us or something, he wanted direction and advice and we supplied our thoughts.

[ohiochica]

omg guys give him a damn break on the religion though. all your going top do is turn him against religion even more. i can say this from eexperience. i had religion forced down my throat for years, i rebelled and went towards teh wiccan culture. when my mom got sick i kinda reevaluated things and now i can say i dont believe in god etc but i do believe in afterlife.
ok i got side tracked......my point was lay off him on the religion! the rotc is a good route to go and i kinda agree with a few other comments, going to military school may give you some needed structure but it will also be a black mark telling everyone you were a "troubled" youth. and like a previous person said you have to realize this has astronghol on you and when you realize that and only when you realize it you can then work to change it and better your life.

[Kyle]

Originally posted by FAST97WS6
good point, listen to me bro, you like working on cars...correct? i'll try to help you out, you can go to the marines, after bootcamp, get your MOS, and work on HUMMERS, and all kinds of shit, learn all about it, AND, where i'm going to be stationed, they have a state of the art shop for all marines to use, NO cost, liftes, tools, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING you need to fix your car up, and its not used for Military vehaciles, its for any marines to use on there own personal cars, like when i get there, you best beleive i'm going to be useing that shop, i like running 10s, but i just need to go faster, so i have not decided my new path, thinking about saving some money up and doing a 427 over the 383,.....but anyways like i'm saying bro, you can go to the marines, work on car and other cool ass shit, learn all about it FOR FREE, 100% paided for, free room and board, free use of a state of the art shop, and you get to hold the title MARINE! which soon here i will have the plesure of be able to say, somthing to think about, your still young......good luck bro!

I knew about the shop thing...i think the army does that too...
But i've heard that the living conditions in the marines are the worse...
can you maybe give me a heads up on that?...and bootcamp's probably frickin hard..

[slowEJ6]

Originally posted by AzCivic
Its not like were knocking on your door everyday trying to get you to listen to us or something, he wanted direction and advice and we supplied our thoughts.

giving your opinion and ridiculing others beliefs.....hmmmm.

[Kyle]

Originally posted by slow ej6
giving your opinion and ridiculing others beliefs.....hmmmm.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Kyle
I knew about the shop thing...i think the army does that too...
But i've heard that the living conditions in the marines are the worse...
can you maybe give me a heads up on that?...and bootcamp's probably frickin hard..

Thats where i do all my work on my car.


As far as living conditions, it really depends on what base you live on, a Marine base here could be better than a AF base somewhere else and visa versa. Generally the AF is supposed to have the best living conditions, generally.

Marine corps boot camp is the hardest of them all, but on the other hand you'll feel like you really accomplished something when your done. Unlike after I got done with AF basic training, it was a breeze.

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by slow ej6
giving your opinion and ridiculing others beliefs.....hmmmm.

OK sure, if you say so. Does it scare you to think about this stuff or something? Why are you getting so defensive when people are having a decent conversation about God. No one's making you read this, no one's hounding you, telling you that your going to hell or some crap.

[slowEJ6]

still going huh? cant just live with the fact people think differently than you?

im getting defensive? what exactly is there to be scared of? im quite ok with the fact that people choose their own beliefs, doesnt seem like you are, judging by what youve been saying.

ok first off about the god thing, yall need to chill out, i'm not pressuering him to do shit, i'm just offering my advice, he can take whatever path he wants too! it really doesn't matter to me, i'm just trying to help him out!

dude its all a ****ing rumor, marines get paided the same as everyone else, the only reason why air force, army, navy get paided more in the long run, well not in all cases, its easier to get promoted in those branches, my recruiter has been in for 17 years and is an E7 GSgt, and i know guys in the army who are E7s that have been in for like 2 years, pay is based on rank, right now i'm only a Lance Corpal, E3.....anyways man, its up to you, do whats best! later bro

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by slow ej6
still going huh? cant just live with the fact people think differently than you?

im getting defensive? what exactly is there to be scared of? im quite ok with the fact that people choose their own beliefs, doesnt seem like you are, judging by what youve been saying.

Still going? Oh I'm sorry I thought this whole forum thing was a place to communicate ideas, my bad.

I also am fine with people choosing their own beliefs.