Jesus Camp

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Originally Posted by Robert

You just generalized me and sterotyped me into your view of a Christian. Remember it was Christians who founded this nation (Canada and America) and allowed freedom of religion. Don't sugguest for a moment they were not open minded. Christians are some of the most open minded and tollerate of people out there. You on the other hand have a problem with all organized religion, and in previous posts were calling for the removal of churchs for tax free statuses.

Has God ever forced his views onto you? I have never forced my views or preached to someone for the sake of it. God doesn't yell at you to get your attention he waits calmly whispering and hopes you will take up a conversation.

I think you need to be very careful of the use of the terms fanatical that you describe things that are 'extreem' or 'unusual'. I didnt see anything in that video I hadn't seen before (minus the kids with camo paint - though I've seen it paint balling) so it wasn't 'extreem' to me. However I find someone playing video games for 5 hours a day to be fanatical. See where being open minded comes in here?

There are things out there we haven't experienced/seen before. That doesn't make them wrong or bad.

Actually I think the founding fathers were simply able to suspend their beliefs long enough to do what was right for everyone, not just themselves. But then again they were a bunch of rich white guys who didn't want to pay taxes. My, how times have changed. And you're right...there are many christians who are not judgemental and intollerant. Then again in that short trailer a woman dumps everyone in the world into 2 categories...believers and non-believers. And yeah, I do believe that many churches should pay taxes because many of them essentially sell a product. If you're church can seat more people than a football stadium, you obviously don't need any help with money.

Of course god doesn't yell at me. He doesn't yell at anyone. In fact, I would assume that if god exists in the way that you believe he does, he doesn't have time to talk to anyone. You talk to him, but whether or not anyone's listening is open for conjecture. Seems to me like that's a long wait for a train that doesn't come.

The clip I posted is just a trailer...I don't think I could post the whole movie (and would you really sit here for an hour and a half watching it? Over on youtube, however, I think someone cut the film in it's entirety up into several pieces. And you don't think that young children screaming "righteous judges now" is fanactical? Hell...it's fanatical on more than one level. It's not extreme or unusual (actually it's both), but it easily falls under the term "fanaticism".

And you're right...things aren't wrong because they're new and different. In this these things are wrong by virtue of the fact that they are morally repugnant and undertaken in the guise of belief.