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03-26-2003, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
(Ill be shore to prove reed all my posts from now on )

maybe you should "PROOFread" them as well.. lol

sorry could not resist..

03-26-2003, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by oc civic
maybe you should "PROOFread" them as well.. lol

sorry could not resist..

I think that one was on purpose to mess with me man, but thanks.

Anyway, Clinton could and can run again, he just doesn't want to. He would win and and I wish he would run. He should do it. Let's all write to him. Maybe I can find a link to show you he is allowed to.

03-26-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by SolPol

No, you're (that's right, you are) the genius fool. If YOU knew your (that's right, your) Constitution, you would know that the amendment says that no person shall be President for more than two CONSECUTIVE terms. Who is the genius now pal?

2 consecutive terms?? Can I see the proofs....I might be learning something here.

03-26-2003, 10:57 AM

I can't find it yet, I gotta look more. But I have been told that it says only that you can't hold it for more than two consecutive terms.

03-26-2003, 03:13 PM

Amendment XXII (22)
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice"

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...dmentxxii.html

"22nd Amendment
Since the presidency of George Washington, only one thing could be said to be totally consistent - that no President had the job for more than two full terms. Washington had been asked to run for a third term in 1796, but he made it quite clear that he had no intention of doing so; that an orderly transition of power was needed to set the Constitution in stone. And so it was for almost 150 years.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected President in 1932, and re-elected in 1936. When it came time for the Democrats to nominate a candidate for the Presidency in 1940, two things had happened. First, the Republicans had made great gains in Congress in the 1938 elections. And Hitler happened. Europe was in the throes of a great war, with trouble in the Pacific, too. A change away from Roosevelt, who had lead the nation through the Great Depression, did not seem wise. He was nominated for an unprecedented third term, and won. It was not a landslide victory, however, and it is debatable that FDR would have had a third term had it not been for the war. When 1944 rolled around, changing leaders in the middle of World War II, which the United States was now fully engaged in, also seemed unwise, and FDR ran for and was elected to, a fourth term.

His life was nearly over, however, and his Vice President, Harry Truman, became President upon FDR's death less than 100 days after his inauguration. Though FDR's leadership was seen by many as a key reason that the U.S. came out of WWII victorious, the Congress was determined, once the war ended, to ensure that Washington's self-imposed two-term limit become the law of the land. Specifically excepting Truman from its provisions, the 22nd Amendment passed Congress on March 21, 1947. After Truman won a second term in 1948, it was ratified on February 27, 1951. Truman could have run for a third term, but bowed out early before campaigning began."

--http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html#Am22

I dont know where you get your consecutive term from but.....I think you're wrong dude. I was taught that a president only had a 2 term limit.

nonovurbizniz · 03-26-2003, 03:16 PM

SolPol-
Trust me I'm almost sure it doesn't say that... and if it does.. in the constitution... that's just a little piece of paper... there are BOOKS AND BOOKS on presidential law.. it's not all in there.
Here's Article II of the Constitution:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...articleii.html

NOTHING in there about how many terms you can run only:

"He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:"

As I said I don't KNOW your wrong but there has...wait... I was just looking around... and this guy says I'm wrong and you're right....it's the 22nd amendment:

"The 22nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, ratified in 1951 after the death of three-term president Franklin Roosevelt, forbids a person from holding the office of president for more than two terms in a row"

BUT WAIT AGAIN...

HA..... HA HA.... YOUR WRONG DEAD WRONG.... it's this kind of "internet facts" and "I heard"'s that screw up the REALITY... the 22nd amendment to the constitution ladies and gents...:

"Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. "

NO 2 TERMS. IF YOU SERVE 2yrs OF SOMEONE ELSES YOU CAN ONLY RUN 1 MORE TIME. PERIOD. I TOLD YOU IF HE COULD HE WOULD.

OC-

As far as Afghanastan... right we skated around like I said we would if we felt the need....Personally I don't think that ANY of this torture talk is justified or HALF as bad as anyone pictures...when you talk about american torture it's just not the same anymore... we can't get away with old school saddam type torture anymore. We drug people or threaten them or distort their perception of reality... and sure that's not good but it's not like we rape their wives and gouge out their childrens eyes.

This conflict in Iraq is under MUCH more worldwide scruteny... beyond that the goals are not to hunt down and find people... we know where we want to go... it's just a matter of getting there and getting rid of those who are part of the violent regime.

What I don't think people understand is all we want is a gov. that represents the people over there... if that means a American hating president that's fine... We have learned from the sha of iran to current leadership in Suadi Arabia you cant let people dominate power over there or subjigate their people and pretend that the public likes us when they don't. SA is about to blow up the people in power there are totally in the minority and HATED by the masses and they're not even good to us... they are the one country (besides MAYBE china) that really couldn't care less about us or what we say (us gov.). That's why people over there REALLY hate us... because we fiddled in there affairs scewing things to one way and the other to suit us and it screwed them... Now they believe that the leaders who we helped represent American ideals... and they're particular charactor traits are RIGHT in line with the worst of Capatalism. They take advantage and the people see that as an american trait.

This war could change that...

Seriously read the post from RR about the Operation Human Shield kid... this is a war that they WANT...

Everything I have said IS fact when I wasn't sure I said so and then came back with the facts to back it up....

FACT... Palestine's gov... is helping us in ways not even the GOV. would have EVER expected them to... HOWEVER their newspapers and media and public opinion are WILDLY ANTI-AMERICAN. It's double speak by foriegn Gov's to placate their people.

FACT... Anthrax is a COMMON farm yard desease... You can get and grow spores of it given the determination... look at the cult in japan who made friggin SARIN... yes they manufactured it in vacant buildings in THE MIDDLE OF TOKYO... beyond that you can make ANY NUMBER of explosives...chemical gas reactions....nerve agents ALL from READILLY available everyday items... NO it is not easy but it is MORE than accomplishable...

FACT... SHOOTING SOLDIERS OF A FORIEGN ARMY IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN BLANKET GASSING VILLAGES TO REMOVE THE THREAT ELIMENT WITHIN IT. We are PURPOSLY sacraficing targets not just in bagdad but all over iraq because of soft target issues... whether or not it's par for the course WE ARE TRYING TO BE HUMANE HERE.

You don't lose your personal freedom by not expressing it in a public forum... especially when it's just to be a spoiler... you make people who are worried about their loved ones overseas worry or upset or whatever... YOU have NO vested interest in this one way or the other besides "morally"... get over yourself (not you personally people protesting publicly). I'm not saying don't question the gov's tactics or what they're doing but do so AFTERWARDS... there is no reason for a Marine or Ranger in combat or in Kuwait to watch the tv or read the news and see.
"MILLIONS PROTEST WAR ON IRAQI PEOPLE" or
"INTERNATIONAL TENSIONS PUT PRESSURE ON WAR PLANNERS"

they just don't need to see that shit and neither do their families.

and as far as it being a provision of war time... no but lots of things aren't on the books that used to be given... now everyone questions everything... "why shouldn't I voice my opinion"... because.. it's MUCH MUCH bigger than you.

03-26-2003, 04:10 PM

growing anthrax in the yard on a dead carcuss (without even knowing it) and weapons grade are VERY differant...

FACT..

lol

nonovurbizniz · 03-26-2003, 04:56 PM

that's where the growing (certainly not in a yard or on a dead carcass. you grow the spores only) and processing come in... it's ALL perfectly possible even on a low budget. Most of the supplies can be had from local companies ubgrading there equipment or even just dumpster diving at the right spots.

03-27-2003, 03:40 PM

Well, I stand corrected. I gotta remember who told me that now so I can go kick some ass. I thought it was in the Presidential law books, but I'm not gonna go looking that up.

Oops

03-26-2003, 03:16 PM	#46
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 47 Posts: 2,693	SolPol- Trust me I'm almost sure it doesn't say that... and if it does.. in the constitution... that's just a little piece of paper... there are BOOKS AND BOOKS on presidential law.. it's not all in there. Here's Article II of the Constitution: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...articleii.html NOTHING in there about how many terms you can run only: "He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:" As I said I don't KNOW your wrong but there has...wait... I was just looking around... and this guy says I'm wrong and you're right....it's the 22nd amendment: "The 22nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, ratified in 1951 after the death of three-term president Franklin Roosevelt, forbids a person from holding the office of president for more than two terms in a row" BUT WAIT AGAIN... HA..... HA HA.... YOUR WRONG DEAD WRONG.... it's this kind of "internet facts" and "I heard"'s that screw up the REALITY... the 22nd amendment to the constitution ladies and gents...: "Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. " NO 2 TERMS. IF YOU SERVE 2yrs OF SOMEONE ELSES YOU CAN ONLY RUN 1 MORE TIME. PERIOD. I TOLD YOU IF HE COULD HE WOULD. OC- As far as Afghanastan... right we skated around like I said we would if we felt the need....Personally I don't think that ANY of this torture talk is justified or HALF as bad as anyone pictures...when you talk about american torture it's just not the same anymore... we can't get away with old school saddam type torture anymore. We drug people or threaten them or distort their perception of reality... and sure that's not good but it's not like we rape their wives and gouge out their childrens eyes. This conflict in Iraq is under MUCH more worldwide scruteny... beyond that the goals are not to hunt down and find people... we know where we want to go... it's just a matter of getting there and getting rid of those who are part of the violent regime. What I don't think people understand is all we want is a gov. that represents the people over there... if that means a American hating president that's fine... We have learned from the sha of iran to current leadership in Suadi Arabia you cant let people dominate power over there or subjigate their people and pretend that the public likes us when they don't. SA is about to blow up the people in power there are totally in the minority and HATED by the masses and they're not even good to us... they are the one country (besides MAYBE china) that really couldn't care less about us or what we say (us gov.). That's why people over there REALLY hate us... because we fiddled in there affairs scewing things to one way and the other to suit us and it screwed them... Now they believe that the leaders who we helped represent American ideals... and they're particular charactor traits are RIGHT in line with the worst of Capatalism. They take advantage and the people see that as an american trait. This war could change that... Seriously read the post from RR about the Operation Human Shield kid... this is a war that they WANT... Everything I have said IS fact when I wasn't sure I said so and then came back with the facts to back it up.... FACT... Palestine's gov... is helping us in ways not even the GOV. would have EVER expected them to... HOWEVER their newspapers and media and public opinion are WILDLY ANTI-AMERICAN. It's double speak by foriegn Gov's to placate their people. FACT... Anthrax is a COMMON farm yard desease... You can get and grow spores of it given the determination... look at the cult in japan who made friggin SARIN... yes they manufactured it in vacant buildings in THE MIDDLE OF TOKYO... beyond that you can make ANY NUMBER of explosives...chemical gas reactions....nerve agents ALL from READILLY available everyday items... NO it is not easy but it is MORE than accomplishable... FACT... SHOOTING SOLDIERS OF A FORIEGN ARMY IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN BLANKET GASSING VILLAGES TO REMOVE THE THREAT ELIMENT WITHIN IT. We are PURPOSLY sacraficing targets not just in bagdad but all over iraq because of soft target issues... whether or not it's par for the course WE ARE TRYING TO BE HUMANE HERE. You don't lose your personal freedom by not expressing it in a public forum... especially when it's just to be a spoiler... you make people who are worried about their loved ones overseas worry or upset or whatever... YOU have NO vested interest in this one way or the other besides "morally"... get over yourself (not you personally people protesting publicly). I'm not saying don't question the gov's tactics or what they're doing but do so AFTERWARDS... there is no reason for a Marine or Ranger in combat or in Kuwait to watch the tv or read the news and see. "MILLIONS PROTEST WAR ON IRAQI PEOPLE" or "INTERNATIONAL TENSIONS PUT PRESSURE ON WAR PLANNERS" they just don't need to see that shit and neither do their families. and as far as it being a provision of war time... no but lots of things aren't on the books that used to be given... now everyone questions everything... "why shouldn't I voice my opinion"... because.. it's MUCH MUCH bigger than you. __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK... Last edited by nonovurbizniz : 03-26-2003 at 03:27 PM.

03-26-2003, 04:56 PM	#48
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 47 Posts: 2,693	that's where the growing (certainly not in a yard or on a dead carcass. you grow the spores only) and processing come in... it's ALL perfectly possible even on a low budget. Most of the supplies can be had from local companies ubgrading there equipment or even just dumpster diving at the right spots. __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...

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03-26-2003, 10:57 AM	#44
SolPol Posts: n/a	I can't find it yet, I gotta look more. But I have been told that it says only that you can't hold it for more than two consecutive terms.

03-26-2003, 03:13 PM	#45
accord98lx Posts: n/a	Amendment XXII (22) "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice" http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...dmentxxii.html "22nd Amendment Since the presidency of George Washington, only one thing could be said to be totally consistent - that no President had the job for more than two full terms. Washington had been asked to run for a third term in 1796, but he made it quite clear that he had no intention of doing so; that an orderly transition of power was needed to set the Constitution in stone. And so it was for almost 150 years. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected President in 1932, and re-elected in 1936. When it came time for the Democrats to nominate a candidate for the Presidency in 1940, two things had happened. First, the Republicans had made great gains in Congress in the 1938 elections. And Hitler happened. Europe was in the throes of a great war, with trouble in the Pacific, too. A change away from Roosevelt, who had lead the nation through the Great Depression, did not seem wise. He was nominated for an unprecedented third term, and won. It was not a landslide victory, however, and it is debatable that FDR would have had a third term had it not been for the war. When 1944 rolled around, changing leaders in the middle of World War II, which the United States was now fully engaged in, also seemed unwise, and FDR ran for and was elected to, a fourth term. His life was nearly over, however, and his Vice President, Harry Truman, became President upon FDR's death less than 100 days after his inauguration. Though FDR's leadership was seen by many as a key reason that the U.S. came out of WWII victorious, the Congress was determined, once the war ended, to ensure that Washington's self-imposed two-term limit become the law of the land. Specifically excepting Truman from its provisions, the 22nd Amendment passed Congress on March 21, 1947. After Truman won a second term in 1948, it was ratified on February 27, 1951. Truman could have run for a third term, but bowed out early before campaigning began." --http://www.usconstitution.net/constamnotes.html#Am22 I dont know where you get your consecutive term from but.....I think you're wrong dude. I was taught that a president only had a 2 term limit.

03-26-2003, 04:10 PM	#47
oc civic Posts: n/a	growing anthrax in the yard on a dead carcuss (without even knowing it) and weapons grade are VERY differant... FACT.. lol

03-27-2003, 03:40 PM	#49
SolPol Posts: n/a	Well, I stand corrected. I gotta remember who told me that now so I can go kick some ass. I thought it was in the Presidential law books, but I'm not gonna go looking that up. Oops