Whats gonna be the best part about the fast and the furious 2?

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Hmmmm...are you familiar with Dante's Inferno? Yeah...it's somewhere in the 9th circle of hell.

ha ha. I know that as much as I'm making fun of this, I'll still go see it though. I'm sure a lot of us will. And then we can all make fun of it together. I just have to see the cars. And Paul Walker. Because I love him. I'm the president of his fan club.

ewwww paul walker. cooties.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by msvtec14
I just have to see the cars. And Paul Walker. Because I love
him. I'm the president of his fan club.

Hmmm...I think it's time for a "presidential assasination". (ok...I put it in quotes because I don't want the FBI knocking on my door tomorrow thinking I meant another president)

NO. I was kidding. Seriously. Don't assasinate me.

[nonovurbizniz]

You guys sure know A LOT about the first one and have sure spent A LOT of time discussing the new one... sounds like some closet fan's to me...

Oh and
A. An eclipse is capable of doing 160
B. You can indeed (not saying that they did or considered that for the movie) get 7 gears into a transmission (a friend of mine had a 6th put in his 300z and was going to do 7th but sold it)
C. You can most certainly do a wheelie while doing a burnout. I've SEEN it done many times. there was a particular car in the late sixties early seventies that was know for doing a smoke show on two wheels up the WHOLE track.
D. I think I'm the only one who can honestly say... I never rented or went to the first one and I will NEVER spend so much as a dime to see the sequel.

PS... My computer's always warning me about the danger I'm putting my manifold in. You guys are just all LOW-TiZECH

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
You guys sure know A LOT about the first one and have sure spent A LOT of time discussing the new one... sounds like some closet fan's to me...

Oh and
A. An eclipse is capable of doing 160
B. You can indeed (not saying that they did or considered that for the movie) get 7 gears into a transmission (a friend of mine had a 6th put in his 300z and was going to do 7th but sold it)
C. You can most certainly do a wheelie while doing a burnout. I've SEEN it done many times. there was a particular car in the late sixties early seventies that was know for doing a smoke show on two wheels up the WHOLE track.
D. I think I'm the only one who can honestly say... I never rented or went to the first one and I will NEVER spend so much as a dime to see the sequel.

PS... My computer's always warning me about the danger I'm putting my manifold in. You guys are just all LOW-TiZECH

A. no shit with enough mods a geo could do 346mph. ive also been in a stock gst and it was definately CAPABLE of 135mph stock just took over 3 minutes to get there and over 3 miles.
B. Please tell me your joking.... HOW THE **** CAN YOU ADD gear clusters to a tranny??? ARE YOU INSANE, that would require a whole different shifter rail, merging the clusters together, and a new case...... wait scratch that YOUR AN IDIOT...

let alone by the time 7gears comes into play i hope you have like either 1000+hp to pull the DRASTIC loss in torque multiplication cause 7th is gonna be like .4 ratio

AND OR 5.60+ ring and pinion lol.

i call bullshit on you.

C. anything can be done with bleach on the track for SHOWS, name 1 ****ing car that can do that off the starting line with slicks without help from the wet box.



P.S. did your computer tell you your welds are in danger?

[nonovurbizniz]

No I'm not joking... my buddy got a 6th forward drive gear installed in his 87 300z.

I believe the way it works is you remove 5th gear and replace it with 2 new gear a new 5th and a new 6th... however I am not sure that is how my friend explained it to me which by no means says that's how it was done.

But it was done.

PS.... Naw dude I push so much hp I can't run a welded mani anymore... It was straight mani-danger.... my cast shit was gunna meltdown yo!!

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
No I'm not joking... my buddy got a 6th forward drive gear installed in his 87 300z.

I believe the way it works is you remove 5th gear and replace it with 2 new gear a new 5th and a new 6th... however I am not sure that is how my friend explained it to me which by no means says that's how it was done.

But it was done.

PS.... Naw dude I push so much hp I can't run a welded mani anymore... It was straight mani-danger.... my cast shit was gunna meltdown yo!!

considering you prolly dont know how it was built i would LOVE to talk to your boy and pry him lol, personally i think its straight up bullshit. NO offense its just me i never heard of anyone doing that, let alone in a 1987 z? musta been a really quick car for him to waste money and shit on it like that. i still dont think its possible without a NEW CASE, you cant just up and add a cluster and expect it to fit in there LOL!

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
You guys sure know A LOT about the first one and have sure spent A LOT of time discussing the new one... sounds like some closet fan's to me...

Oh and
A. An eclipse is capable of doing 160
B. You can indeed (not saying that they did or considered that for the movie) get 7 gears into a transmission (a friend of mine had a 6th put in his 300z and was going to do 7th but sold it)
C. You can most certainly do a wheelie while doing a burnout. I've SEEN it done many times. there was a particular car in the late sixties early seventies that was know for doing a smoke show on two wheels up the WHOLE track.
D. I think I'm the only one who can honestly say... I never rented or went to the first one and I will NEVER spend so much as a dime to see the sequel.

PS... My computer's always warning me about the danger I'm putting my manifold in. You guys are just all LOW-TiZECH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I hope you're joking..........
#1 Just because the speedo says 160 doesn't mean it can do it.....Even if it IS right, it would take years to get there with an all motor 3G eclipse, even a 2G.
#2 How about NO. A company DOES split gears to make overdrives in older cars, but I don't think you can split them to make a 7 speed tranny. This is unheard of. Possibly the guy bought a T56 for his car
#3 You can't wheelie while burning out. A wheelie happens when the car catches traction and has massive amounts of TQ and power to the wheels being put down. When you spin the tires, it's because you're LOSING traction. God, so many dumb ricers around today. Thank god you didn't see the movie, you know enough already to make you ****tard of the year!

[nonovurbizniz]

ford50forlife:
The reason I don't know is because he didn't... I never got to talk to the guy who did it...

And no it was not a terribly fast car... my dad's convertable 911 NA had it no problem... the cost wasn't very high (1000 at most) and my buddy had money pouring out of his ears at the time. I never got to see what it did once he put a turbo on his na block I was told it was disquisting fast but I never got to ride in it.


AJ1978TA:
I wasn't talking about a 3g which wasn't even the car being discussed... or a 2g... a friend of mine had a 1st gen awd turbo talon and he raced a friend with a 9? camaro ss. and they hit 150 and let off... he said he could of hit 160 easy. yes his car was chipped and turbo. I'd imagine that somewhere in the mentioned $70k budget put into the 2g eclipse in FnF there was a turbo..

The reason you CAN do a wheelie while spinning the tires is because if you have enough EXCESS torque you can have enough traction to hold the car in position and go forward all the while spinning the tires.... Like ford dude said...

"anything can be done with bleach on the track for SHOWS, name 1 ****ing car that can do that off the starting line with slicks without help from the wet box."

If you can do it with the aid of bleach then how is it impossible without? you still have traction loss right???? and it's still doing a wheelie...and spinning the tires.. that sounds like its possible to me. Also the car I'm refering to was on slicks that's the whole point.

My car can loose traction but maintain forward movement. Anyone who's ever done a burnout realizes that yes there is traction lose but you still lurch forward. Multiply the excess power and the degree of traction able to be produced even under spin conditions and there you have it enough force to keep the car in position and moving down the track even though the wheels are spinning.

Oh ya and I'm a ricer like your mom's not a street whore.

It doesn't matter what DSM you have, if all you have is a ****ing chip, you will die of old age before you hit 160. Yeah, you might be able to do it, but if I had 2.41's and an OD tranny in my car I can do it too.........
The only way to do a wheelie while spinning the tires and burning out is well, with the aid of universal studios. The entire movie was a crock of shit. I've never seen any full on drag cars doing a wheelie AND spinning/smoking them. It doesn't happen. Even with 8 second cars. Uh oh, you insulted my mom. LOL. You're still a ricer.

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
ford50forlife:
The reason I don't know is because he didn't... I never got to talk to the guy who did it...

And no it was not a terribly fast car... my dad's convertable 911 NA had it no problem... the cost wasn't very high (1000 at most) and my buddy had money pouring out of his ears at the time. I never got to see what it did once he put a turbo on his na block I was told it was disquisting fast but I never got to ride in it.


AJ1978TA:
I wasn't talking about a 3g which wasn't even the car being discussed... or a 2g... a friend of mine had a 1st gen awd turbo talon and he raced a friend with a 9? camaro ss. and they hit 150 and let off... he said he could of hit 160 easy. yes his car was chipped and turbo. I'd imagine that somewhere in the mentioned $70k budget put into the 2g eclipse in FnF there was a turbo..

The reason you CAN do a wheelie while spinning the tires is because if you have enough EXCESS torque you can have enough traction to hold the car in position and go forward all the while spinning the tires.... Like ford dude said...

"anything can be done with bleach on the track for SHOWS, name 1 ****ing car that can do that off the starting line with slicks without help from the wet box."

If you can do it with the aid of bleach then how is it impossible without? you still have traction loss right???? and it's still doing a wheelie...and spinning the tires.. that sounds like its possible to me. Also the car I'm refering to was on slicks that's the whole point.

My car can loose traction but maintain forward movement. Anyone who's ever done a burnout realizes that yes there is traction lose but you still lurch forward. Multiply the excess power and the degree of traction able to be produced even under spin conditions and there you have it enough force to keep the car in position and moving down the track even though the wheels are spinning.

Oh ya and I'm a ricer like your mom's not a street whore.

yea, well if it wasnt a terrible fast car i dont see a point in doing such a custom job (so custom ive never heard of it), plus the fact you made it seem like, he just ADDED IT ON, and im calling bullshit on the fact that its the same transmission and not a different one. heres the facts:

from what i can take of what your saying, he would need to completely disassemble the tranny and take the cluster shaft out, then what would be needed then would be a COMPLETELY NEW cluster shaft seeing as how you SHOULDNT just up and add new clusters on, and if you did your and idiot for working with worn parts, like putting NEW lifters and using the old pushrods..... then you would need a new shifter rail for both reverse and forward gears ( i think), and a new CASE because since the cluster shaft has been elongated unless you have a NEW output shaft to go along with it its not gonna fit in the case.... its a very lenghty process (THAT I HAVE NEVER EVEN 1 TIME HEARD OF ANYONE DOING CEPT IN OLD CARS). let alone in a old z that wasnt even anything special.

thats why i call bullshit, let alone when you make a STUPID ASS STATEMENT, like he could add ANOTHER ONE IN, now its time for a custom tranny case, and custom driveshaft, and custom clutch fork housing, with elongated clutch cable. im basing this off the fact the 300z is rwd, if it isnt then disregard this but its still bullshit. big floppy bullshit

oh and BLEACH MAKES IT POSSIBLE I SAID IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT IT stop putting words in my mouth and listen. On regular slicks, without the aid of some sort, you arent gonna see smoke, when i put slicks om my mustang and took it down my sidestreet, i sidestepped it at like 4K, and blew tire until 2nd gear, but not a hint of smoke came up, and it DIDNT lift the front tires because i was all over the road. when i went to the track and did a 5 k launch and had NO SPIN the wheels came up like 3 inches but there wasnt a hint of smoke because I CAUGHT TRACTION


WITHOUT A WETBOX OR BLEACH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, and therefore thats what we poke at cause the CHARGER IN THIS CASE WAS ON THE ****ING STREET. i doubt after he hit johnny tran's brother he ran home and put bleach on his tires... its impossible without aid and thats that.

[nonovurbizniz]

Ya but your mom digs my wing.

I wasn't talking about the movie... if you'll read up above I've seen video of a car that that used to do exabition runs smoking the tires up the whole track on 2 wheels... doubt it all you want.. universal wasn't down there helping those guys in the 60's/70's.

"It doesn't matter what DSM you have, if all you have is a ****ing chip, you will die of old age before you hit 160. Yeah, you might be able to do it, but if I had 2.41's and an OD tranny in my car I can do it too........."

Ok... So, it doesn't matter what DSM I have... I'll die of old age before I hit 160... Yeah you might be able to do it.?????????
If I had blah blah blah for my old pile of crap (just kidding I love TA's) I could do it too???
Are you feeling ok?

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Ya but your mom digs my wing.

I wasn't talking about the movie... if you'll read up above I've seen video of a car that that used to do exabition runs smoking the tires up the whole track on 2 wheels... doubt it all you want.. universal wasn't down there helping those guys in the 60's/70's.

"It doesn't matter what DSM you have, if all you have is a ****ing chip, you will die of old age before you hit 160. Yeah, you might be able to do it, but if I had 2.41's and an OD tranny in my car I can do it too........."

Ok... So, it doesn't matter what DSM I have... I'll die of old age before I hit 160... Yeah you might be able to do it.?????????
If I had blah blah blah for my old pile of crap (just kidding I love TA's) I could do it too???
Are you feeling ok?

now your being an idiot, without bleach its impossible (read my above post)

universal might not have been there at the time, but something else was to help a car do something it shouldnt, i cant belive for someone as old as you PRETEND to come off your this ****ing ignorant to argue with people who obviously know more about the subject than you do....

[nonovurbizniz]

damn I started a shit storm huh?

I was just ****in around... I merely stated that I've seen a car do it (tire smoking wheelie) slicks weren't made the same way in the 60's so your arguement is moot. I don't know or care whether there was bleach or peanut butter or whatever.. it's possible. (Bleach or no bleach you have traction loss and a wheelie tire spinning car.) As is a eclipse doing 160.. the movie is gay for a million reasons you guys just picked weak points and I was playing devil advocate.

And finally...

The seventh gear thing was bullshit.. It is possible to build a 7 gear tranny for SOME cars. they do make kits the swap out ALL of your internals both shafts and all the gears.. the reason it fits is they are thinner gears so more fit in the same space.. My friend however was not going to do that. I'm not sure if it was an option or not but the 6th gear was and had been done to another Z locally.

And as far an 87 Z being a piece of crap or not quick or not worth modding... your on a honda forum ( I know your both domestic guys.) and complaining about a 3.0 L V6 that Paul Newman DOMINATED with for YEARS???

[nonovurbizniz]

What is bleach ****ing pixie dust now... it makes the IMPOSSIBLE possible????

I can't believe someone as confident that you know more than me is saying such contradictory BS.

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
damn I started a shit storm huh?

I was just ****in around... I merely stated that I've seen a car do it (tire smoking wheelie) slicks weren't made the same way in the 60's so your arguement is moot. I don't know or care whether there was bleach or peanut butter or whatever.. it's possible. (Bleach or no bleach you have traction loss and a wheelie tire spinning car.) As is a eclipse doing 160.. the movie is gay for a million reasons you guys just picked weak points and I was playing devil advocate.

And finally...

The seventh gear thing was bullshit.. It is possible to build a 7 gear tranny for SOME cars. they do make kits the swap out ALL of your internals both shafts and all the gears.. the reason it fits is they are thinner gears so more fit in the same space.. My friend however was not going to do that. I'm not sure if it was an option or not but the 6th gear was and had been done to another Z locally.

And as far an 87 Z being a piece of crap or not quick or not worth modding... your on a honda forum ( I know your both domestic guys.) and complaining about a 3.0 L V6 that Paul Newman DOMINATED with for YEARS???

my point is moot because slicks were made different in the 60's? rubber is rubber last time i checked :shrug:

ok, its obvious you know nothing about forward motion in a car with drag tires... if you can manage to get the front wheels of a car off the ground while even eminating the slightest wisp of smoke it must be powered by a rolls royce twin supercharged v-12 merlin engine or something with more kick, even then i dont see it getting the front wheels off the ground cause it wouldnt CATCH! there IS NO HAPPY MEDIAN here unlike youd like to believe... its one or the other, without the aid of something....

it is impossible to do without bleach or something. thats it. IMPOSSIBLE cant be done.... if you prove me wrong ill apologize... but you cant. bleach when heated causes smoke, duh and a rubber over pavement creates FRICTION. thats why you see smoke in a car that does a wheelie


2. about the tranny. so your saying it was the same CASE with completely different innards? i can see that, but that makes me question how much of an ADDED on gear it is? more like a COMPLETELY different tranny in itself..

btw since the gears were made thinner, what kinda material did they use? cause obviously if it was thinner it would be a stronger material so i wouldnt shatter. ?


i never said that car was a piece of shit, i said it wasnt special. thats all. any shitbox can be made to go fast, mustangs, camaros, civics, geos

hell ive seen a geo powered storm do 11's on a 1.8DOHC motor that came with it + turbo and head work. 11's!!!!

there is a suzuki swift 1.3L around here that does 11's as well 11.70-11.90's i believe. ANYTHING CAN BE MADE TO GO FAST. even paul newmans

[ford50forlife]

RUBBER OVER PAVEMENT = friction

friction = heat

bleach + heat = smoke


and without this its IMPOSSIBLE..

[nonovurbizniz]

Rubber is not rubber... sorry if you thought that. yes slicks and ALL tires for that matter are made from different compounds and combinations of rubber and many other things.

in the 60's they had something called bias tires.. i figured that you would be aware of the fact that tires be them slicks or street tires from the 60's were ENTIRELY different from modern tires/slicks in both composition and design (ply types, patterns, materials, sidewall differences.. you ever see a 20 series tire in the 60's?)

and no the 7 speed deal is completely new inards. As I understood it 1 or maybe 2 gears were removed and replaced making for a final of 6 forward 1 reverse. The 300z tranny WAS an add on.. not new guts.

the pressense of smoke was not what we were arguing about.. the fact that he was spinning the tires while doing a wheelie was.

For all I know the video I've seen the soaked the whole track with bleach.. I was not looking to start WWIII over a couple of cracks.. I was just poking fun at you guys for knowing so many details of the movie and picking bad points to contest the movies validity.

Oh and the best part will be fire bombing the theater midway through :o

[nonovurbizniz]

see there is a simple way of proving the bleach pixie dust theory and I'll just give it to you...

the reason smoke comes of the tires with bleach is 2 fold...
A. bleach produces white smoke when converted to a gas.
B. bleach melts rubber.. allowing that rubber to burn as well.

the reason you have better "traction" while slipping on bleach is because you slipping on the melting rubber not the bleach.. therefore traction is increased while slippage is maintained.

OK everyone happy.

[GT40FIED]

You all wanna know the real moot point here? Ok...here goes. Bleach is not pixie dust. And I seriously doubt the slicks on that car were vitage '60s rubber...that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day (and I went to work today). Bleach does NOT melt rubber...why do you think people wear rubber gloves while using bleach? Perhaps it might in a tire like F1 cars use that contains super super soft rubber, but not on your run of the mill slick. It's corrosive properties aren't strong enough. The Charger they used in that scene was a replica anyway...no working blower and probably a smaller engine. It was just for show. You think whoever owned that Chager would have allowed that? And the studio didn't build their own just for the purpose of totaling a perfectly good car. The lift/smoke effect was attained by using two hydraulic bars at the front end of the car to throw the front end up while they used extremely hard slicks on the back end (not bias ply, but almost as hard as poly glass tires). Does this settle this little deal? The movie was a piece of shit and doesn't deserve to be debated this much.

[nonovurbizniz]

I was never insinuating that the scene was a straight shoot of a charger doing a wheelie... I seriously never even saw that scene.
I was only talking about the car I saw do it.

As I said... I dl'd it (a REAL shitty copy) and stopped watching it before the end.

And yes your are right it's not worth all this discussion... I was just F'ing with y'all.

[nonovurbizniz]

Oh and just to let you know.... bleach is indeed harmful to ALL tires... this is a brief from the faa in regards to the use of bleach by foriegn nations to dis-infect incoming and outgoing planes to prevent the spread of hoof and mouth desease.

Sodium Hypochlorite (bleach)
- Very corrosive to metal parts

- Causes catalytic oxidation of disks in carbon heat sinks

- Damages platings, paint, and other coatings

- Severe effect on tread surface (weather checking/ozone cracking)

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Rubber is not rubber... sorry if you thought that. yes slicks and ALL tires for that matter are made from different compounds and combinations of rubber and many other things.

in the 60's they had something called bias tires.. i figured that you would be aware of the fact that tires be them slicks or street tires from the 60's were ENTIRELY different from modern tires/slicks in both composition and design (ply types, patterns, materials, sidewall differences.. you ever see a 20 series tire in the 60's?)

and no the 7 speed deal is completely new inards. As I understood it 1 or maybe 2 gears were removed and replaced making for a final of 6 forward 1 reverse. The 300z tranny WAS an add on.. not new guts.

the pressense of smoke was not what we were arguing about.. the fact that he was spinning the tires while doing a wheelie was.

For all I know the video I've seen the soaked the whole track with bleach.. I was not looking to start WWIII over a couple of cracks.. I was just poking fun at you guys for knowing so many details of the movie and picking bad points to contest the movies validity.

Oh and the best part will be fire bombing the theater midway through :o

1. IM SAYING HOW RUBBER reacts the same way to spinning.... i knew they were not the same compounds, it just came out wrong..


2. 6 forward and 1 reverse? please stop being a retard, IM TALKING ABOUT 7 FORWARD GEARS LIKE THE MOVIE HAD.

add on and not new guts huh?

you told me that all the cluster shaft was replaced with smaller gears to make it fit? now its only 2? WHAT MATERIAL DID THEY USE then if they were able to do this? musta been a STRONGER MATERIAL, id like to know what that was.

OH AND NOW DOESNT THIS STATEMENT CONDRADICT WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE?

they do make kits the swap out ALL of your internals both shafts and all the gears.. the reason it fits is they are thinner gears so more fit in the same space.. My friend however was not going to do that. I'm not sure if it was an option or not but the 6th gear was and had been done to another Z locally.

they replaced ALL the internals and yet just the last gears?

im so high in feces im in pain, let alone if your boy did have 7 forward speeds like i was argueing the ratio of that would be like .4 and you would need either 1000+ hp to pull it USUABLY or 5.60+ ring and pinion.

2. the presence of smoke is PRECISELY what im argueing thanks for joining the conversation.

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
see there is a simple way of proving the bleach pixie dust theory and I'll just give it to you...

the reason smoke comes of the tires with bleach is 2 fold...
A. bleach produces white smoke when converted to a gas.
B. bleach melts rubber.. allowing that rubber to burn as well.

the reason you have better "traction" while slipping on bleach is because you slipping on the melting rubber not the bleach.. therefore traction is increased while slippage is maintained.

OK everyone happy.

so therefore without this it would not be possible correct?

[nonovurbizniz]

No I still say it's possible without... I've seen video of it...

I'm not sure what your not clear about as far as the 300z goes.. I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE HOW IT WAS DONE. the way it was explained to me they pulled out 1 or 2 gears and replaced them with however many to get 6 forward and 1 reverse. As stated I don't know details so... I have no idea what material but I figured it was pretty obvious that it would have to be stronger.

The kit which swapped ALL internals to the tranny is the one I've seen with 7 forward gears.. never seen it done never heard of it before just came across it...

You seem to be taking this argument far more seriously than I... each one of my responses have been to specific replys... not based on one central theme... So It may sound contradictory because I'm explaining something different in different posts.

And my initial arguement was not about smoke it was about "smoking the tires" and "loosing traction" and the fact that if your tires where spinning you couldn't maintain or achieve a wheelie... I merely stated that I've SEEN video of a car in the 60's they used to take around to tracks that spun the tires the whole way up the track on 2 wheels. So I'm not going to argue about smoke or no smoke...

Also I talked to a buddy of mine that has SEEN his friends vette create a CLOUD of smoke on SLICKS on dry pavement (it was in the parking lot of a gas station.) So as far as slicks having an inability to produce smoke I think your wrong but I don't know as I've never noticed or been around slicks enough to call bs.

Anyway... I was just poking fun.... I wouldn't have argued had I known that it was based on your theory that FnF was a documentary film and shouldn't have used special effects or expected the viewer to suspend disbelief....

No movies are accurate to what they're about... if they were they'd probobly be boring... for god's sake look at reality tv.

[nonovurbizniz]

Used parts:- 7 speed FFD GpA Escort gearbox, fully re-built. 9" rear diff, 8.5" front diff, tarmac uprights, Brembo brakes, GpA rear beam, Wide track driveshafts, 4.6 9" cwp, loads of gravel and tarmac suspension plus much, much more for all GpA/GpN Escort or Sierra.

6 speed FFD HB release gearbox, just fully rebuilt £8,500

and as far as 1000+ hp to need 7 gears???

"1994 Homolagated Full Group A Escort Cosworth Tarmac spec.

Montune Engine. 7 speed FFD box. 9" rear diff. 7.5" front diff. 355mm front discs.

315mm rear discs. New bag tank. New FIA seats & belts. Tarmac use only.

Immaculate condition. Never bent or damaged. Immaculate condition."

Certainly doesn't have 1000 hp's

and finally

a recently debuted ferrari

The FX will have a carbon-fiber monocoque, a normally aspirated 6.0-liter V-12 with almost 650 bhp, an F1-style 7-speed gearbox, driver-adjustable traction control and carbon-fiber brakes. Maximum speed should be over 207 mph.

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
No I still say it's possible without... I've seen video of it...

I'm not sure what your not clear about as far as the 300z goes.. I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE HOW IT WAS DONE. the way it was explained to me they pulled out 1 or 2 gears and replaced them with however many to get 6 forward and 1 reverse. As stated I don't know details so... I have no idea what material but I figured it was pretty obvious that it would have to be stronger.

The kit which swapped ALL internals to the tranny is the one I've seen with 7 forward gears.. never seen it done never heard of it before just came across it...

You seem to be taking this argument far more seriously than I... each one of my responses have been to specific replys... not based on one central theme... So It may sound contradictory because I'm explaining something different in different posts.

And my initial arguement was not about smoke it was about "smoking the tires" and "loosing traction" and the fact that if your tires where spinning you couldn't maintain or achieve a wheelie... I merely stated that I've SEEN video of a car in the 60's they used to take around to tracks that spun the tires the whole way up the track on 2 wheels. So I'm not going to argue about smoke or no smoke...

Also I talked to a buddy of mine that has SEEN his friends vette create a CLOUD of smoke on SLICKS on dry pavement (it was in the parking lot of a gas station.) So as far as slicks having an inability to produce smoke I think your wrong but I don't know as I've never noticed or been around slicks enough to call bs.

Anyway... I was just poking fun.... I wouldn't have argued had I known that it was based on your theory that FnF was a documentary film and shouldn't have used special effects or expected the viewer to suspend disbelief....

No movies are accurate to what they're about... if they were they'd probobly be boring... for god's sake look at reality tv.

youve seen a video of it, thats great and considering it was from the 60's i bet they told you ever aspect involved right?

swapping with a thinner material i can see it happening as that would entitle the same case, what im calling bs on is why would he need it if the car was on stock turbos and unworked??? that car can barely pull 5th to redline let alone another gear that would obviously longer (read next post to see why street transmissions and freaking rally trannies vary)....

i was argueing you cannot hold a wheelie with slicks and burn the tires at the same tire without help from bleach, so i dont give a rats ass about a vette in a parking lot, hell i could do a brake stand in my mustang and smoke then, i doubt if it was a gas station he would pull the fronts off the ground and have enough room to land the car without crashing...

youve gotta be kidding me right? point taken i guess you won, my WHOLE post was to prove F+F a documentary film.....

christ its like talking to a cotten candy making machine..

[ford50forlife]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
Used parts:- 7 speed FFD GpA Escort gearbox, fully re-built. 9" rear diff, 8.5" front diff, tarmac uprights, Brembo brakes, GpA rear beam, Wide track driveshafts, 4.6 9" cwp, loads of gravel and tarmac suspension plus much, much more for all GpA/GpN Escort or Sierra.

6 speed FFD HB release gearbox, just fully rebuilt £8,500

and as far as 1000+ hp to need 7 gears???

"1994 Homolagated Full Group A Escort Cosworth Tarmac spec.

Montune Engine. 7 speed FFD box. 9" rear diff. 7.5" front diff. 355mm front discs.

315mm rear discs. New bag tank. New FIA seats & belts. Tarmac use only.

Immaculate condition. Never bent or damaged. Immaculate condition."

Certainly doesn't have 1000 hp's

and finally

a recently debuted ferrari

The FX will have a carbon-fiber monocoque, a normally aspirated 6.0-liter V-12 with almost 650 bhp, an F1-style 7-speed gearbox, driver-adjustable traction control and carbon-fiber brakes. Maximum speed should be over 207 mph.

stop being a f*cking idiot PLEASE, there is a difference between a STREET TRANNY and one custom built for rallying, do you like to hear the mechanical whir of the gears over the sound of your engine at speed? let alone THIS IS BUILT LIKE THIS, not A ****ING ADDON GEAR CLUSTER. AND ON THAT NOTE there doesnt need to be 1000hp because the TRANSMISSION IS DESIGNED FOR RACING AND DOESNT KEEP OVERDRIVE SPECS IN MIND WHILE BUILDING IT

I NEVER ONCE SAID THERE IS NO 7 speed tranny i simply told you your boy didnt have one and there is no such kit to swap more clusters in a stock f*cking transmission case (<----- making it still essentially the same transmission) so i dont see what BRINGING a rally racing transmission up and a ferrari transmission up has to do with the fact that you dont know what your talking about? THERE IS NO ADD ON 7 speed manual,

and aside from the new bmw AUTO 7 spd and the new ferrari 7 spd there is NONE OTHER ON THE STREET (that i know of) unless you like to drive a race car on the road and or like the sound of mechanical whirling over the sound of your motor. this has no place in this arguement considering i didnt straight out say there is NO 7 spd manual.

please stop this is getting out of hand, i dont know why i try to argue with you anymore... at first it was to teach you sumthing now its merely turned to the sake of argueing for the sake of argueing. it was fun but now since the facts have been laid out, ill let anyone reading this forum decide FOR THEMSELVES instead of trying to prove it to you, youve already made up your mind, im NOT going to change it OBVIOUSLY.

if my mustang was running i would try to show you for myself its impossible but it isnt running.