fast as f*** civic

[wal]

hiya ppl, i was in town the other day when a max power mag caught ma eye, it had a civic fetured that was laying down 725 bhp at the wheels, with a 0-60 time of 3.5 secs, thats more than enough to beat most ya domestics. and most skylines. it had a built 2.2 outta a prelude i think turboed with loads of mods on the engine including over size intercooler (this thing is huge) and many other bits and bobs. just something we can all look at and say now thats a fast civic (i think it came from ur way as well, cali i think)

[wal]

built by rage performance, it has 1200cc rc injecters, a 1000 cc fuel rail,crower rods, custom t4 turbo, and these are just a few of the mods

[ChrisCantSkate]

wow sounds nice

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
wow sounds nice

most race cars are fast... doubt it can run on the street and drive itself from place to place.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally posted by V8killimports
most race cars are fast... doubt it can run on the street and drive itself from place to place.

i didnt know that being streetable was a prerequisite for being a fast track car. i thought thats why you build a track car... so you don thave to drive it on the street. and BTW i have seen 600+ hp preludes(4 different ones come to mind, im sure theres more) that was street driven every day. doubt it? yeah its highly possible that its not streetable, but who cares? are you or i ever going to drive it on the street? why not be impressed that they managed to squeek almost 750hp out of a 2.2 4 cylender engine and not, oh well i bet you cant goto 7-11 with it.

[V8killimports]

The part about "beat most ya domestics" .. GTs car pushes that same about of power and can be driven from place to place. You can easily build a V8 to 2000+hp but never drive it anywhere so who gives a shit about it. What impresses me are cars pushing that much that can no shit run from place to place without using 110+ octane. I could boost my motor enough for 800-900 hp on almost 92 octane.. or I could boost it enough that it runs 1500-2000hp and might as well run on gold and diamonds.

Man, getting cars that fast MUST cost a lot of money...I can't even imagine how much it would take to get a Honda at it's peak performance...

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by V8killimports
GTs car pushes that same about of power and can be driven from place to place.

Well...not yet. It will push that once the new turbo is on and it gets retuned...and then I wouldn't be suprised if it makes more than that.

Man, getting cars that fast MUST cost a lot of money

Actually mine has been relatively cheap to build. Probably about 1/10 of what that Civic cost...and mine's a street car.

[V8killimports]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
Well...not yet. It will push that once the new turbo is on and it gets retuned...and then I wouldn't be suprised if it makes more than that.



Actually mine has been relatively cheap to build. Probably about 1/10 of what that Civic cost...and mine's a street car.

Exactly.. if the civic was totally street.. not even weekend warrior.. but drove it to work if you wanted, then that's damn cool.. other than that.. no race car really impresses me..

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by V8killimports
no race car really impresses me..

Yeah...I was out at KCIR this weekend for their NMRA races. Saw some turbo'ed Pro 5.0 cars running into the mid 6's. Some cars in the 10.5" radial tire classes were running into the 7's. While it's impressive to get that much out of a tiny little motor, it doesn't do me much good after watching some 1800hp beasts blast down the 1320.

[AzCivic]

750hp in a civic isnt the same as 750hp in a mustang or classic car. theres like a 500-1000lb weight difference.

[KwikR6]

Why not just give credit where credit is due?
Instead of always being a negative ass!

[GT40FIED]

You'll have to specify Derik...there's a lot of negative asses in this thread...myself included.

And Az...you gotta point...if the two cars are street driven. But on a track you can strip the damn thing down to the frame and the difference probably wouldn't be too much.

[nonovurbizniz]

I don't get what the arguement was about...

Obviously a V8 "can" make more power than a 4 cyl... I should hope it can make DOUBLE the power...

If all the V8 guys want a fair fight then they should be able to double the peak performance of ANY 4 cylinder car...

A 302 is 2 2.5liter 4cyl... I'd say if someone want to end all the v8 vs. 4 junk they should build the snot out of a 2.5 4cyl and a 5.0 v8 and if the v8 doesn't have at least 2 times as much power obvioulsy the 4cyl is better...

ALthough there is NO arguement to cost effectiveness of a V8...

Mustang, Camaro or whatever other V8 (barring odd blocks that are not popular)... you can get WAY WAY WAY WAY more power for WAY less money.

[GT40FIED]

Trust me, if I had the money they probably dumped into that Civic's motor for my car I would probably be running around in a 2000hp track-only trailor queen.

[wal]

i feel what all the domestics are saying but the thing is how come most doms hate imports? when most ppl who like imports still have respet for doms, i just saw the civic in a mag (max power) so instend of being like when if i put 725bhp in to my mustang, cevve or what ever, cant ppl just think 725bhp at wheels from a 4 banger hey thats canny good

[AzCivic]

lets look at it this way:
assuming the h22 kept its 2.2ltr displacement its making about 330hp per ltr

inorder for a 5ltr v8 to do that it'd have to make 1650hp

neither of these are streetable but they're both making the same hp/litre, so whateva.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by wal
i feel what all the domestics are saying but the thing is how come most doms hate imports? when most ppl who like imports still have respet for doms,

Dude...I don't hate imports. If I did why would I have been here for so long. Sure, I kind of pick and choose which imports I like, but I have respect for all cars so long as they're worthy of said respect. Yeah...there are a lot of folks who will dismiss a car simply because it's a Honda or a Nissan or whatever, but they're ignorant fools. I'm more interested in the engine stuffed into those cars.

And Az...you do realize that the hp/liter argument is the keystone of most ricer debates...second only to the horsepower to weight ratio point. I'm not saying you're wrong...but look at it from a logical standpoint. An 800hp+ streetable V8 is very possible...the same can't be said for most 4 cylinder motors.

[AzCivic]

ok and i'm just showing inorder for them to be making the same hp in relation to displacement what each one would make. furthermore, whats wrong w/ bringing up efficiency of a motor? its not my fault domestic cars are on avg are horribly inefficient.

also a 2500lb car wouldnt need the 800hp itd take to pull a 3500lb v8 down the track, it'd need more like 550 to run the same times with everything being equal.

is 550hp streetable out of a civic? i dont know, i dont keep track of the highest hp dyno races.

[wal]

fair enough, i can see that ya are right in ya respect area when it comes to engines. but ya must admit there are ppl out there who for no reason just love to hate on imports, i mean i personally cant see anything wrong with a nissan skyline gtr or a mr2 or even ya rx7's, they are in ma opinon nice cars to look at and they are canny fast as std

[drdingo21]

I have a couple of videos wuth civic pushing well over 500 hp and being street driven.

Anohter thing to keep in mind is that a turbo'ed car could very well be streetable, just as long as you keep it out of high boost.

also a 2500lb car wouldnt need the 800hp itd take to pull a 3500lb v8 down the track, it'd need more like 550 to run the same times with everything being equal.

Agreed, This is the power to weight thing, no matter how ricer you think it is GT, its true. In one of the vids i have, they are pushing 489 whp and running low 11s. Doesn't the new 405 hp vette runs mid 12s (im too lazy to search)?

[GT40FIED]

Oh I know it's true. It's just that when I used to hit street races and drive my friend's '85 SVO (2.3L, 18psi boost, ported head/intake, cam gear, cam, etc), all of these douche bags with lightly modded Civics would tell me and him that they'd beat us because the weighed less and it was all about power to weight ratio. Nevermind the SVO was making damn near 3 times as much power.

My point was that, this car most likely being either a dyno queen/company showcase car or a track only car, you can mess with the power to weight ratio. I could gut my interior, backhalf my chassis, remove the glass and replace it with Lexon, use fiberglass doors, fenders, remove most of my electronics and wiring, etc. and probably be lighter than 2500lbs. But then again most race cars are built virtually the same and in accordance with their sanctioning body.

Edit: No, the new Vettes don't push mid 12s...from the factory anyway. I'm sure you could probably get one there with a little suspension tuning, slicks, and less than 489hp. I have, however, seen 500hp '03 Cobras running pretty deep into the 11s.