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ebpda9 · 01-14-2004, 06:44 PM

Whci of them do u think it's better ? mine is leaking pretty bad and i need a new one. I found a couple oem fits on the net ( of course honda charges 450 for a brand spanking new oem one) and i don't wanna get a used radiator. so which do u think it's a lot better ? i know my old one used to be copper with plastic end tanks, the one i have on now is copper with metal end tanks. so whcig do u think it's better and has better cooling, because my car will have a turbo installed in less than 2 weeks.

*ChrisCantSkate* · 01-14-2004, 07:33 PM

i'd personally say aluminum, its what i got and im happy with it. aluminum disapates heat better than most metals and is very strong. i havnt herd much about copper ones, but you cant really go wrong with an all aluminum.

ebpda9 · 01-14-2004, 09:22 PM

that's what i thought too

MAXed Out · 01-15-2004, 10:38 AM

ALUMInum biatch!

GT40FIED · 01-15-2004, 02:32 PM

Aluminum all the way. It's stronger and doesn't oxidize as fast as copper does (it takes time...but it'll happen eventually). Aluminum's usually a bit more expensive, but it's definitely worth it.

ebpda9 · 01-15-2004, 03:34 PM

well i read some reviews and copper came on top. copper can dissiate heat twice as fast as aluminum does. i dunno what to think

GT40FIED · 01-15-2004, 05:51 PM

Sure, copper will disipate heat faster, but it doesn't last as long in the long run. It's heavier, weaker, corrodes faster, etc. If it was all about heat disipation they'd make titanium radiators...that stuff removes heat like crazy.

01-15-2004, 08:30 PM

get a fluidyne high performance replacement. It's actually cheaper than a stock OEM from Honda and a lot better.

*pdiggitydogg* · 01-15-2004, 08:50 PM

well, I'll be the first to say copper
because its cheap and it works fine

true, the old CuBrass and its old school non-heat condusive welding did make it fall well below Al, but today's tech makes them efficient and cheap...hence my CuBrass dual core del sol/auto ex rad that I love to death (for 1/4 the cost of a fluidyne it works just dandy on my daily driver)

01-16-2004, 04:22 AM

copper sucks, alumnium rocks and stop being cheap

do you have a toyo or denso radiator??? AFAIK neither is $450 unless that includes labor

01-16-2004, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
well, I'll be the first to say copper
because its cheap and it works fine

we replace copper aftermarkets after 2 years tops, don't buy copper especially in the midwest with heavy salt use

ebpda9 · 01-16-2004, 09:34 AM

i have an aftermarket copper. i dunno, what the original one was. it was replaced 2 yrs ago by honda cause the original one blew out.

*pdiggitydogg* · 01-16-2004, 10:05 AM

I think Ive lived here long enough to know that cubrass rads last just fine, despite the heavy salt use

theres nothing wrong w/ being "cheap"...especially if it gets the job done BETTER than the stock unit.

Saying CuBrass sucks compared to Al is like saying blank rotors suck compared to slotted/drilled
They both work just great, but not everyone NEEDS the more expensive one

*AzCivic* · 01-17-2004, 07:35 PM

saw this and thought of this thread:

The thermal conductivity k depends on the material, for example, the various materials used in engines have the following thermal conductivities (W/m K):

Table I. Thermal Conductives of Common Materials

Copper 400
Aluminum 240
Cast Iron 80
water 0.61
air 0.026

Shaved &/or Laid · 01-17-2004, 09:04 PM

hm. Get a double size aluminum.

01-18-2004, 11:40 AM

GT40FIED: you sure about titanium??? Best I've found is 7.44 W/mC vs. 417 for silver and the others mentioned by AzCivic.

I do agree that the aluminum will last longer than the copper, not to mention the weight benefits from it.

b

GT40FIED · 01-18-2004, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spoogenet
GT40FIED: you sure about titanium??? Best I've found is 7.44 W/mC vs. 417 for silver and the others mentioned by AzCivic.

Hmmmm....pretty sure. I was at an open track event once where some serious AutoX guys were competing and they all had titanium rotors. After a few seconds of hard braking the things would be glowing bright red and then in another few seconds they'd be back to normal. Although I suppose it's also worth noting that titanium gathers heat insanely fast too.

ebpda9 · 01-18-2004, 03:43 PM

well what weight gains ? few extra pounds in a 3k pound car don't matter that much. anyway i got an aluminum radiator with plastic end tanks. i might attempt to fix the copper one too

01-20-2004, 01:12 AM

good call man

01-21-2004, 05:16 AM

Wow... $450 for a radiator? That's rediculous. I put a radiator in a civic last week (alum w/ plastic tanks) that only cost me $150 brand new. Go to www.radiators.com. Every shop I've ever worked for has used their radiators with no problems.

01-14-2004, 06:44 PM	#1
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	Aluminum vs copper core radiators Whci of them do u think it's better ? mine is leaking pretty bad and i need a new one. I found a couple oem fits on the net ( of course honda charges 450 for a brand spanking new oem one) and i don't wanna get a used radiator. so which do u think it's a lot better ? i know my old one used to be copper with plastic end tanks, the one i have on now is copper with metal end tanks. so whcig do u think it's better and has better cooling, because my car will have a turbo installed in less than 2 weeks. __________________

01-14-2004, 07:33 PM	#2
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 41 Posts: 9,662	i'd personally say aluminum, its what i got and im happy with it. aluminum disapates heat better than most metals and is very strong. i havnt herd much about copper ones, but you cant really go wrong with an all aluminum. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

01-14-2004, 09:22 PM	#3
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	that's what i thought too __________________

01-15-2004, 10:38 AM	#4
MAXed Out 6th Gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH Age: 38 Posts: 1,974	ALUMInum biatch! __________________ SHIFT_MyNuts Some people call it an obsession I just call it my maxima 1997 Maxima SE 5spd, Stillen Body Kit, Warpspeed Y & B pipes, Magnaflow Muffler, Koni Yellows & Tein S-tech springs, JVC Headunit, Directed 7" in dash screen,Stillen Intake, red/clear tail lights, AE mod, Paceseter STS, EL-Glow Gauges, Clutchmasters FX300 Clutch, rebuilt tranny, 19" Mille Miglia Evo 5's with Pirelli Pzero's(summer), 18" Hp D-10 hyper silver wrapped in Goodyear ultra HPR, SPW front strut bar, Helios 7000k HID, Motostorm UDP, Viper 5000Vx alarm, 2 12" PowerClass 124 subs, Kenwood 1200 Watt amp, DVD Changer

01-15-2004, 02:32 PM	#5
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	Aluminum all the way. It's stronger and doesn't oxidize as fast as copper does (it takes time...but it'll happen eventually). Aluminum's usually a bit more expensive, but it's definitely worth it. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

01-15-2004, 03:34 PM	#6
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	well i read some reviews and copper came on top. copper can dissiate heat twice as fast as aluminum does. i dunno what to think __________________

01-15-2004, 05:51 PM	#7
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	Sure, copper will disipate heat faster, but it doesn't last as long in the long run. It's heavier, weaker, corrodes faster, etc. If it was all about heat disipation they'd make titanium radiators...that stuff removes heat like crazy. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

01-15-2004, 08:30 PM	#8
91d16 Posts: n/a	get a fluidyne high performance replacement. It's actually cheaper than a stock OEM from Honda and a lot better.

01-15-2004, 08:50 PM	#9
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	well, I'll be the first to say copper because its cheap and it works fine true, the old CuBrass and its old school non-heat condusive welding did make it fall well below Al, but today's tech makes them efficient and cheap...hence my CuBrass dual core del sol/auto ex rad that I love to death (for 1/4 the cost of a fluidyne it works just dandy on my daily driver)

01-16-2004, 04:22 AM	#10
HndaTch627 Posts: n/a	copper sucks, alumnium rocks and stop being cheap do you have a toyo or denso radiator??? AFAIK neither is $450 unless that includes labor

01-16-2004, 09:34 AM	#12
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	i have an aftermarket copper. i dunno, what the original one was. it was replaced 2 yrs ago by honda cause the original one blew out. __________________

01-16-2004, 10:05 AM	#13
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	I think Ive lived here long enough to know that cubrass rads last just fine, despite the heavy salt use theres nothing wrong w/ being "cheap"...especially if it gets the job done BETTER than the stock unit. Saying CuBrass sucks compared to Al is like saying blank rotors suck compared to slotted/drilled They both work just great, but not everyone NEEDS the more expensive one

01-17-2004, 07:35 PM	#14
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	saw this and thought of this thread: The thermal conductivity k depends on the material, for example, the various materials used in engines have the following thermal conductivities (W/m K): Table I. Thermal Conductives of Common Materials Copper 400 Aluminum 240 Cast Iron 80 water 0.61 air 0.026

01-17-2004, 09:04 PM	#15
Shaved &/or Laid 4th Gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 38 Posts: 853	hm. Get a double size aluminum. __________________ Doody Ej1 Yse.

01-18-2004, 11:40 AM	#16
spoogenet Posts: n/a	GT40FIED: you sure about titanium??? Best I've found is 7.44 W/mC vs. 417 for silver and the others mentioned by AzCivic. I do agree that the aluminum will last longer than the copper, not to mention the weight benefits from it. b

01-18-2004, 03:43 PM	#18
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	well what weight gains ? few extra pounds in a 3k pound car don't matter that much. anyway i got an aluminum radiator with plastic end tanks. i might attempt to fix the copper one too __________________

01-21-2004, 05:16 AM	#20
ricerX Posts: n/a	Wow... $450 for a radiator? That's rediculous. I put a radiator in a civic last week (alum w/ plastic tanks) that only cost me $150 brand new. Go to www.radiators.com. Every shop I've ever worked for has used their radiators with no problems.

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