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Fatal070 · 12-28-2003, 05:34 PM

Hey guys what’s up I think i might totally do a Uey and change my setup, I’m gonna def keep the gsr fix it up totally revamp it don’t wanna totally rebuild it but I’m going to buy a complete Type R Head for the Gsr around my bday in April have to save 3000 Ive got 1800 so I’m almost there , I might ditch the Cwest front bumper n get a si bumper and a new hood pint the side skirts get some cheap ass wheels lower it and be set for awhile what do u guy think? Any suggestions?

*pdiggitydogg* · 12-28-2003, 06:05 PM

Now youre speaking my language

I very much like that idea of the type r head and stock bumper replacement

did you ever find out if the block was cracked?

IALuder · 12-28-2003, 06:27 PM

i like the idea of getting rid of ricey parts and yes fix what you have if its not blown.

12-28-2003, 06:30 PM

dont forget to buy the intake too! The GSR one wont bolt up to the ITR head. Personally I wouldnt go with the ITR head. Why?? Its the price man. Way too expensive. U can go with a turbo and get more power or if u still want all motor I suggest this..

-B16a head
-CTR cams (make more power than the ITR cams)
-DPR stage 5 or 6 port job

u definately will make much better power than a stock Type R head for about the same price after everything is said and done. Good luck.

*AzCivic* · 12-28-2003, 07:47 PM

yeah really, get a b16 head the typeR is too much money.

so whats wrong with the engine anyway??

*pdiggitydogg* · 12-28-2003, 07:49 PM

i highly recommend changing all the other valvetrain when doing ctr cams
yes, I know you dont HAVE to...but theyre a lot more aggressive than standard b16's

the b16 and gsr heads flow almost the same...very very similar...but gsr does come out on top (something most dont know)

gsr is better in a way because of higher compression (square combustion chambers)
so if youre gonna boost...I would go b16 head because of the round chambers & lower compression

if going type r (real or ported b16), it would be cheaper (probably) to get the whole-shibang instead of building/porting a b16 head, plus it would be more reliable (oe honda=no chance for machine shop screw-ups) plus if you decided to go ctr pistons you could easier (dont fit b16 head w/o work...i believe)

*AzCivic* · 12-28-2003, 07:57 PM

good info. how about the IM's?

*pdiggitydogg* · 12-28-2003, 08:32 PM

stock type r is MUCH better than edelbrock and venom

type r doesnt fit gsr (that said, on a gsr head...I highly doubt any other honda IM would fit a gsr head, besides gsr's original), however, skunk2 is an "exact" duplicate of the type r IM so that would be the way to go

stock to stock b16 is better flowing than gsr (again...I believe)

Fatal070 · 12-28-2003, 10:42 PM

im lovin this , this is the kind of talk i wanna have , I want something a lil differnt and unique i found a SI bumper for 100 bucks think im gonna get it im not gonna go turbo because of this mess with fixing parts i just dont wanna deal with this any more its a pain in the ass i only had my car 3 months out of the 12 in 03 fun hells no... but im still really learning about engine stuff soo who knows whats gonna happen .... whats the diff between the GSR BLOCK from SI , TYPE R BLOCK OR B16 B18 IF U WILL???

*AzCivic* · 12-28-2003, 11:04 PM

the main difference in the blocks is just displacement, the b18's are stroked b16's.

*pdiggitydogg* · 12-28-2003, 11:31 PM

crank size too (even between the 18b and 18c's)
piston type/style
rods

deck height on b16 is smaller than the b18

itr has standard oil cooler...but thats neither here nor there for this scenario...
gsr and irt "blocks'' are the same (including ctr) = p72 part #

I have no idea on bore # differences if any

AkimboStylee · 12-28-2003, 11:33 PM

you learn something new everyday!

*AzCivic* · 12-29-2003, 11:59 AM

bores are the same, cranks are whats different(thats why i said a b18 is a stroked b16.)

but if you wanna get into the non-vtec blocks there's quite a few differences between those and the vtec ones.

12-29-2003, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pdiggitydogg
if going type r (real or ported b16), it would be cheaper (probably) to get the whole-shibang instead of building/porting a b16 head, plus it would be more reliable (oe honda=no chance for machine shop screw-ups) plus if you decided to go ctr pistons you could easier (dont fit b16 head w/o work...i believe)

Pdiggs, you forgot that you get the cool type rrrRRR valve cover!

*pdiggitydogg* · 12-29-2003, 12:15 PM

oh right.......its red

12-28-2003, 05:34 PM	#1
Fatal070 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Castle , Pa Age: 41 Posts: 1,299	new plans Hey guys what’s up I think i might totally do a Uey and change my setup, I’m gonna def keep the gsr fix it up totally revamp it don’t wanna totally rebuild it but I’m going to buy a complete Type R Head for the Gsr around my bday in April have to save 3000 Ive got 1800 so I’m almost there , I might ditch the Cwest front bumper n get a si bumper and a new hood pint the side skirts get some cheap ass wheels lower it and be set for awhile what do u guy think? Any suggestions? __________________

12-28-2003, 06:27 PM	#3
IALuder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Des Moines IA Age: 39 Posts: 7,908	i like the idea of getting rid of ricey parts and yes fix what you have if its not blown. __________________ 93 Si H23vtec......soon to be 12lbs 95 Civic EX....automatic DD if you cant dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullshit.

12-28-2003, 10:42 PM	#9
Fatal070 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Castle , Pa Age: 41 Posts: 1,299	im lovin this , this is the kind of talk i wanna have , I want something a lil differnt and unique i found a SI bumper for 100 bucks think im gonna get it im not gonna go turbo because of this mess with fixing parts i just dont wanna deal with this any more its a pain in the ass i only had my car 3 months out of the 12 in 03 fun hells no... but im still really learning about engine stuff soo who knows whats gonna happen .... whats the diff between the GSR BLOCK from SI , TYPE R BLOCK OR B16 B18 IF U WILL??? __________________

12-28-2003, 11:33 PM	#12
AkimboStylee Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Bay which holds no water, Palm Bay, Fl Age: 39 Posts: 1,688	you learn something new everyday! __________________ A very good quote : " I have many vices in my life, and those keep me from perfection, and not being perfect makes me a human being with morals" -Anonymous

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12-28-2003, 06:05 PM	#2
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	Now youre speaking my language I very much like that idea of the type r head and stock bumper replacement did you ever find out if the block was cracked?

12-28-2003, 06:30 PM	#4
Honda_Tengoku Posts: n/a	dont forget to buy the intake too! The GSR one wont bolt up to the ITR head. Personally I wouldnt go with the ITR head. Why?? Its the price man. Way too expensive. U can go with a turbo and get more power or if u still want all motor I suggest this.. -B16a head -CTR cams (make more power than the ITR cams) -DPR stage 5 or 6 port job u definately will make much better power than a stock Type R head for about the same price after everything is said and done. Good luck.

12-28-2003, 07:47 PM	#5
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	yeah really, get a b16 head the typeR is too much money. so whats wrong with the engine anyway??

12-28-2003, 07:49 PM	#6
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	i highly recommend changing all the other valvetrain when doing ctr cams yes, I know you dont HAVE to...but theyre a lot more aggressive than standard b16's the b16 and gsr heads flow almost the same...very very similar...but gsr does come out on top (something most dont know) gsr is better in a way because of higher compression (square combustion chambers) so if youre gonna boost...I would go b16 head because of the round chambers & lower compression if going type r (real or ported b16), it would be cheaper (probably) to get the whole-shibang instead of building/porting a b16 head, plus it would be more reliable (oe honda=no chance for machine shop screw-ups) plus if you decided to go ctr pistons you could easier (dont fit b16 head w/o work...i believe)

12-28-2003, 07:57 PM	#7
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	good info. how about the IM's?

12-28-2003, 08:32 PM	#8
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	stock type r is MUCH better than edelbrock and venom type r doesnt fit gsr (that said, on a gsr head...I highly doubt any other honda IM would fit a gsr head, besides gsr's original), however, skunk2 is an "exact" duplicate of the type r IM so that would be the way to go stock to stock b16 is better flowing than gsr (again...I believe)

12-28-2003, 11:04 PM	#10
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	the main difference in the blocks is just displacement, the b18's are stroked b16's.

12-28-2003, 11:31 PM	#11
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	crank size too (even between the 18b and 18c's) piston type/style rods deck height on b16 is smaller than the b18 itr has standard oil cooler...but thats neither here nor there for this scenario... gsr and irt "blocks'' are the same (including ctr) = p72 part # I have no idea on bore # differences if any

12-29-2003, 11:59 AM	#13
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	bores are the same, cranks are whats different(thats why i said a b18 is a stroked b16.) but if you wanna get into the non-vtec blocks there's quite a few differences between those and the vtec ones.

12-29-2003, 12:15 PM	#15
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	oh right.......its red