Oil Change?

Why the car need to be change the oil after 3000 miles or 4000 miles?

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

3000 is recommended.

..What kind of oil should you use for a car with high miles?

[ebpda9]

regular 10w-30

Is 3k recommended for the 5th gens?

For 6th gens, 5W20 and every 7500 miles or 6 months is the recommended oil change interval with a filter change every 15k or once/year, whichever happens first. That is for the "normal" schedule. The severe schedule calls for 3k and 3 months.

Even if you have the right weight, some high mileage cars will prefer natural oil over synthetic.

b

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by pbateson
Why the car need to be change the oil after 3000 miles or 4000 miles?

Because oil breaks down from the heat (among other things) caused by your motor when driving. I guess the 3000 mile interval is just a saftey mark for when you should change you oil.

[nonovurbizniz]

also most of if not all of the additives they put in there oil (which really make it the oil) will breakdown after that long... in the case of mobil 1 they re-designed their oil because the additive lasted too long... now they breakdown just like the rest.

It's also because no matter how well oiled or good your car is there will always be TINY metal fragments (even dust) that will harm your engine if it's left in there.

Change your oil often and your filter too..

even if my car manufacturer recommended changing the oil once a year I'd do it every 3k... it's just not worth risking damage to your engine.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by hondaman-iac
regular 10w-30

5-30 is recommended for the 5th gens...

5w20 on the 7th Gen (at least six cyl engine) and 7500 miles (normal driving) according to Honda.

Of course, if you don't want to change your oil, you could wait until the engine seizes, and then you'll understand why you should have.

[nonovurbizniz]

it'd take a LONG time to seize an engine from simpley not changing the oil...

I've seen 3+ year old oil come out of a running car.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by nonovurbizniz
it'd take a LONG time to seize an engine from simpley not changing the oil...

I've seen 3+ year old oil come out of a running car.

i've seen oil at 75k coming out of a sized eclipses engine. that was the original oil

if you're buying a new car change it right away like 60-100miles on her, and then you can go to 3k. The reason for this is because the first little while is when everything wears... cheers

Originally posted by mt.biker
if you're buying a new car change it right away like 60-100miles on her, and then you can go to 3k. The reason for this is because the first little while is when everything wears... cheers

wrong......honda reccomends that you leave the original Break in oil in until 3 months or 3k miles, for the 7th gen civics and new accords we are at 5 months 6k mile interchanges....do NOT change it after 100 miles.

jeremy

[drdingo21]

In my honda manual it reccomends every 7500 miles...

I still do 3000 but it does say 7500

Originally posted by HndaTch627
wrong......honda reccomends that you leave the original Break in oil in until 3 months or 3k miles, for the 7th gen civics and new accords we are at 5 months 6k mile interchanges....do NOT change it after 100 miles.

jeremy

now a quick question to you would be.. what would be so bad about taking all the metal and crap out of your oil before it bonds to other parts?

See there is NO manufacturer that says change your oil in the first 100miles, but if you new two shits about breaking a motor in you would realize that about 90% of the break in of a new motor is done in the first 100miles. This means that most of the 'extra' crapy is pumped into your oil in the first 100miles of a 3000 miles oil. So you're telling me you want to drive 2900miles with metal shaving in your oil? And now the filter doesn't catch it once the gears mash it into a paste and thats when it bonds to parts reducing the space for oil to penrate. And over the life of the motor this 'extra' metal attached will be what gives you the greatest power lose.

How about you do your research before you come in here telling me how wrong I am. I would educate you on this but i really dont have the time search for motoman and read up on what this dude says about motors. Thanks for proving to me you dont know what your talking about, try google next time instead of going to honda.com.

edit// read this foo schooled

I'll add you dont even have to follow his break in method but for god sakes take the oil out early and do your motor a favour.

Originally posted by mt.biker
now a quick question to you would be.. what would be so bad about taking all the metal and crap out of your oil before it bonds to other parts?

See there is NO manufacturer that says change your oil in the first 100miles, but if you new two shits about breaking a motor in you would realize that about 90% of the break in of a new motor is done in the first 100miles. This means that most of the 'extra' crapy is pumped into your oil in the first 100miles of a 3000 miles oil. So you're telling me you want to drive 2900miles with metal shaving in your oil? And now the filter doesn't catch it once the gears mash it into a paste and thats when it bonds to parts reducing the space for oil to penrate. And over the life of the motor this 'extra' metal attached will be what gives you the greatest power lose.

How about you do your research before you come in here telling me how wrong I am. I would educate you on this but i really dont have the time search for motoman and read up on what this dude says about motors. Thanks for proving to me you dont know what your talking about, try google next time instead of going to honda.com.

edit// read this foo schooled

I'll add you dont even have to follow his break in method but for god sakes take the oil out early and do your motor a favour.

funny, i thought that's what oil filters were made for. guess i was wrong this whole time....

funny how this guy knows so much abut cars but the Honda Enginners design these engines to go 200k w/o any problems and that's with the prior 3k intervals, now they are designed to go 7.5k on an oil change because of an updated PCV system. And FWIW i have read that guys info and severly disagree with his opinions but like he says it's a controversial topic(every dealer tech and engine builder that i would deal with disagrees with him). You do realize that even changing the oil after 100 miles the rings don't even completely seat for about 2k miles right?? oh and you realize that a loose motor makes power, loose=fast but short lived
tight=less powerful but lasts longer. Sorry but i'll trust our guys in our R&D department, they tend to have a good idea of what's going on.

But i wouldn't know anything about all that.

Jeremy

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by HndaTch627
funny, i thought that's what oil filters were made for. guess i was wrong this whole time....

funny how this guy knows so much abut cars but the Honda Enginners design these engines to go 200k w/o any problems and that's with the prior 3k intervals, now they are designed to go 7.5k on an oil change because of an updated PCV system. And FWIW i have read that guys info and severly disagree with his opinions but like he says it's a controversial topic(every dealer tech and engine builder that i would deal with disagrees with him). You do realize that even changing the oil after 100 miles the rings don't even completely seat for about 2k miles right?? oh and you realize that a loose motor makes power, loose=fast but short lived
tight=less powerful but lasts longer. Sorry but i'll trust our guys in our R&D department, they tend to have a good idea of what's going on.

But i wouldn't know anything about all that.

Jeremy

well said

i change mine every 3k or maybe a lil more cause i will forget or something

Originally posted by HndaTch627
funny, i thought that's what oil filters were made for. guess i was wrong this whole time....

funny how this guy knows so much abut cars but the Honda Enginners design these engines to go 200k w/o any problems and that's with the prior 3k intervals, now they are designed to go 7.5k on an oil change because of an updated PCV system. And FWIW i have read that guys info and severly disagree with his opinions but like he says it's a controversial topic(every dealer tech and engine builder that i would deal with disagrees with him). You do realize that even changing the oil after 100 miles the rings don't even completely seat for about 2k miles right?? oh and you realize that a loose motor makes power, loose=fast but short lived
tight=less powerful but lasts longer. Sorry but i'll trust our guys in our R&D department, they tend to have a good idea of what's going on.

But i wouldn't know anything about all that.

Jeremy

unless your oil filter is about the grade of a water filter on a brita you aren't going to get all the metal out of the oil... guess R&D forgot to inform you on that.

Yes a loose motor produces more power, but one that doesn't seal right doesn't. I question where you get your information cause it sounds like you just know how to run your mouth.

I'll say it again, you dont have to follow his break in method. I wasn't saying you had to, he just worded the oil thing better then I could. So if you dont believe that your engine 'sheds' that much metal in the first 100miles get your R&D to run a test, compair 100mile oil change to a 3k oil change and tell me how much more metal is in the 3k over the 100miles.

Once you do that, and have proof one way or another (since you dont believe) then feel free to run your mouth. Cause as far as i'm conserned you're just talking shit for the sake of talking shit. As for me I offered information "change your oil after the first 100miles" that could do NO damage. Where you came along and opened your mouth for no good reason, cause if you knew what you were talking about you would realize there is NO harm in changing your oil early but rather more to gain from it then not.

So dude zip it,cause theres a good chance someone might know something you dont know and if you go shooting down information everytime it doesn't match whats in your head then you aint gonna ever learn.

I'm gonna say that jsut because a motor will 'run' for 200k doesn't mean its worn in properly nor does it mean its producing the max power if could be if treated correctly. I guess you aren't worried about power loose, are we not on a performance forum?

God this is like working with childern, everyone has to be an expert at being a dick. STFU if you dont know what you're talking about, I dont know why i even wasted teh time to type this up cause its wasted on people like you. Hope someone worth while reads this and enjoys the benifit of ONE early oil change, heaven forbid you might learn from someone else, pull your head out of your ass dude. Thanks for being a dick!

[nonovurbizniz]

the reason you shouldn't change the oil till at LEAST 1000 mi. is becasue those tiny shavings that the filter doesn't catch smooth out all the little imperfections in your cylinder walls and as the dude said your rings WILL NOT SEAT PROPERLY if you change the oil too quickly... even engine builders will tell you this... those shavings are the best honing equipment in the world.

[ebpda9]

Originally posted by mt.biker
unless your oil filter is about the grade of a water filter on a brita you aren't going to get all the metal out of the oil... guess R&D forgot to inform you on that.

Yes a loose motor produces more power, but one that doesn't seal right doesn't. I question where you get your information cause it sounds like you just know how to run your mouth.

I'll say it again, you dont have to follow his break in method. I wasn't saying you had to, he just worded the oil thing better then I could. So if you dont believe that your engine 'sheds' that much metal in the first 100miles get your R&D to run a test, compair 100mile oil change to a 3k oil change and tell me how much more metal is in the 3k over the 100miles.

Once you do that, and have proof one way or another (since you dont believe) then feel free to run your mouth. Cause as far as i'm conserned you're just talking shit for the sake of talking shit. As for me I offered information "change your oil after the first 100miles" that could do NO damage. Where you came along and opened your mouth for no good reason, cause if you knew what you were talking about you would realize there is NO harm in changing your oil early but rather more to gain from it then not.

So dude zip it,cause theres a good chance someone might know something you dont know and if you go shooting down information everytime it doesn't match whats in your head then you aint gonna ever learn.

I'm gonna say that jsut because a motor will 'run' for 200k doesn't mean its worn in properly nor does it mean its producing the max power if could be if treated correctly. I guess you aren't worried about power loose, are we not on a performance forum?

God this is like working with childern, everyone has to be an expert at being a dick. STFU if you dont know what you're talking about, I dont know why i even wasted teh time to type this up cause its wasted on people like you. Hope someone worth while reads this and enjoys the benifit of ONE early oil change, heaven forbid you might learn from someone else, pull your head out of your ass dude. Thanks for being a dick!

the dude is a honda tech.

lol...well it was never meant to come off as being a dick, just passing along the info that is passed along to me. Good luck on your motors, i know the stroker i just put in tonight is running fine.

Don't forget that break in oil has a special additive to remove the deposits of assembly lube from bearing surfaces and block surfaces.

[ohiochica]

rob wtf has gotten into you lately? seems you gotta fight with everyone. whats the matter cant consume enough beer to satisfy the alcoholism starting, is that why you have been anal with everyone? rob you know i care about you and respect you but come on now get rid of the atitude.

Originally posted by ohiochica
rob wtf has gotten into you lately? seems you gotta fight with everyone. whats the matter cant consume enough beer to satisfy the alcoholism starting, is that why you have been anal with everyone? rob you know i care about you and respect you but come on now get rid of the atitude.

there wasn't any attitude in my first post in this thread.... but whatever dont change your oil until the manufacture says so but maybe just maybe someone knows something you dont know that you might wish you'd done. So in 3 years when you've finally put enjoy pennies together to mod your civic or accord you'll find you have to do more mods/work to get her running faster.

And there is NO harm in changing the oil early like sugested.

As for my beer consumption well thats just totally off topic....

[Kyle]

Originally posted by ohiochica
rob wtf has gotten into you lately? seems you gotta fight with everyone. whats the matter cant consume enough beer to satisfy the alcoholism starting, is that why you have been anal with everyone? rob you know i care about you and respect you but come on now get rid of the atitude.

what's gotten into him lately?...lol
he's been like this for about 6 months now...
and it's just getting worse and worse...
rob...to me...you're the only one that seems to try to be an expert dickhead...you obviously got owned earlier in the thread..so you have continue to try to make you're dumbass point...and continue to be an ass...just stfu already...it's really startin to get annoying.

[ohiochica]

ok i was beginning to think it was just me over reacting to him.
thank you, kyle, good point and i agree 100%.

rob i am only on you to make you aware of how your portraying yourself. not sure what the problem is but whatever it is ..........get a grip!

[TeriyakiBroccoli]

<3 rob.

[ohiochica]

dont get me wrong...........i still love rob but i dont liek his change of atitude, its his actions that i dont like.

[Racing Rice]

Okay guys, this isnt a discussion about Rob, lets try to keep in on Topic here.

Yes, topic at hand which I'm going to change again.

So all of those oil for higher mile cars and shit, they do nothing? Explain to me please