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Old 03-22-2003, 10:48 PM   #1
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Import cars with a lot of potential...

What would be some good import cars with lots of potential, but my insurance won't be through the roof?

I'm lookn for very good potential....like...skyline potential possibly

any help would be appreciated...i want to get a fast car this time...
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Old 03-22-2003, 10:56 PM   #2
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Old 03-22-2003, 10:57 PM   #3
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a civic.


A stock d16a (correct the code if its worng) engine?

c'mon guys, for reals, the civic engine aint' no 6 cylander like a skyline, or doens't have 300 horses stock likee the STi.
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Um. did I say leave the stock d16 in there? :P

what i mean when i say "i kid u not" means.. I'm not joking.
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Old 03-22-2003, 11:03 PM   #7
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Um. did I say leave the stock d16 in there? :P

what i mean when i say "i kid u not" means.. I'm not joking.


yea, i know that....lol

yea, dont' leave the engine in there, but thats more trouble than i wanna go through, and mroe money too :(

i want a stock car with lotsa potential, and when i say stock car, i mean the engine thats supposedd to be in that car. heh
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heres a basic guideline when factoring in insurance liability costs..

the more power, the smaller the body, the more "attention grabbing color", the more money.

Its an inverse relationship.. for example.

the less power, the larger the body (say, 4 door), the more boring the color (say white.), the less money.

A civic has a lot of potential, but then again so do most cars.

You will not be able to afford the car + insurance .. considering the type of car you are "looking to get"

.. whats wrong with your car now?

other than the wing. haha jk.

Keep your car, save, swap it, turbo, nitrous, whatever.. It'll still come up cheaper than selling your car, getting a new one (or different), and paying for insurance.
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If somone told you they were gunna buy you a car for nothing in return, i think you'd take advantage of the situation, and the civic can never be as fast as an STi, or a skyline, or a supra, or an RX-8, or a lot of other cars...i'm wanna know what cars have a lot of potential, but the insurance won't be outta hand, the mazda rx-8 has four doors...lolm yea
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Old 03-22-2003, 11:32 PM   #10
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240sx...integra...CIVIC...see the problem is you cant have cheap ins. rates and have performance at the same time...best bet by far is to get a 5th gen civic hatch and then drop in a b18c in there and run all motor for super reliability or just a tiny bit of boost
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Hrm, i guess its back to the ol' RSX type-s...its not too bad, but its front wheel drive
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is ther some way i could make it a RD? even if it took 20,000 bucks, heh
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OMG I can't believe this is the best advice anyone has come up with...

Get a talon tsi or eclipse gsx... stock they'll ROAST ANY honda swap or pimp juiced d16... b18 for that matter..

Put 1-6k into it and you'll have either (1k) a REALLY fast street car.. or (6k) THE MOST REDICULOUS CAR EVER...

those things have REAL potential... a civic... please... fwd sucks even if you get power you gunna have problems getting it to the ground.

For 10k you could buy a used talon and have it built to the hilt. And have a WAY faster car than 25k put into a civic.

The insurane isn't THAT high on them.. not like a supra or a 300z.

other than that your pretty much out of luck... you want 6cyl. power you have to get a 6cyl SPORTS car... and that's not gunna be easy on the wallet, or the insurance.

If you want ground pounding power with low insurance go with a domestic like a GrandNat... they have pretty low insurance especially if you just say you have a buick regal.
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Old 03-23-2003, 12:13 AM   #14
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oh and I forgot if your looking for 4 bangers with potential... screw honda... older nissan ser's come with a 2.0 liter block that's turboed in japan. Companies like Jim wolf and stillen offer TONS of upgrades for those that will get you just as if not faster than a civic with a swap... and they come with lsd so no having to hunt down a jdm or type r tranny.

Also they handle UNBELIEVABLY... I had an E (1.6 dohc) I had cams in it and some other stuff and it was REALLY fast WAY faster than my civic. I have paced a mustang 5.0 upto 3rd gear and consistantly BEAT on a friend of mines older brother with a non-vtec integra.

And that was all with the 1.6 not the 2.0... the 2.0 is supposed to be a night and day difference over the 1.6.

Oh ya and they (like any well engineered performance car) come with timing CHAINS not belts so... no snappage and no changing that bad boy for a LONG time (I've seen a maxima with 300k plus with a stock chain).

the 92-94 or 5 ser's are the shit and NOBODY has them or mods them too much you'll stand out and be original for gods sake.
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Old 03-23-2003, 12:17 AM   #15
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the 2.0 is the sr20de motor the only differences between it and the sr20det (think silva) are:

The DET has oil squirter piston coolers
The DET has a bigger oil pump.
The DET has a different front pulley.
The DET has lower compression pistons (8.3:1 vs 9.5:1).
The DET has bigger injectors.
The DET has direct ignition.
The DET has a variable intake cam, runs retarded at idle, advanced mid range and retarded top end.
The DET has mechanical shim in bucket type lifters with a slightly bigger in duration exhaust cam.

The GTi-R DET has individual Throttle body injection.
The GTi-R DET has stronger main cap bolts.
The GTi-R DET has beefier rods.

Just about all the parts between a DET and a DE interchange.
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well, your asking for a dream car. fast stock car with low insurance... try again. for handling and performance potential you NEED rwd. fwd will only get you so far, and it will be more expensive. if you really want potential get a ae86 (corolla GT-S). they have droped a very large amount of engines in them, and they handle SO DAMN WELL. honestly that IS your best option. the 240sx can be made into a BEAST with a sr20det or turbocharging the stock engine(twin cam KA only, so 91+) the older rx7 turbo2's are another very nice car that shouldnt kill you on insurance. those 3 cars can be found cheap, the 240 and corolla both under 2000 and the turbo2 under 5. with a total bill of 10k you will have a very well handling car with good power. the rx7 motor would be a good idea to have the apex seals replaced and turbos checked as your first investment, then you can count on reliablity, even though the FC's(2nd gen 8?-92) are more reliable than the FD's (93-96). the awd talon/eclipes cars are nice, its just the 4g63 is a problematic car unless the engine is built and the drivetrain is strengthened. im not saying that cause ive herd, im saying it cause ive seen.

oh and i could beat stock gsx/awd tsi's stock vs. stock
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the rx7 motor would be a good idea to have the apex seals replaced and turbos checked as your first investment, then you can count on reliablity, even though the FC's(2nd gen 8?-92) are more reliable than the FD's (93-96). the awd talon/eclipes cars are nice, its just the 4g63 is a problematic car unless the engine is built and the drivetrain is strengthened. im not saying that cause ive herd, im saying it cause ive seen.

oh and i could beat stock gsx/awd tsi's stock vs. stock


A reliable turbo rx-7... I'd love to see that...

And I'm not gunna call bs on the stock you vs. stock tsi but... My buddy had a TOTALLY stock tsi that consistantly ROASTED everything he went up against including lightly modded 5.0's. I've ridden in it and others (others were not as nice as his) and if it weren't for the fact that I took a ride in my buddies RX-7 the other day I would say it's the best handling car I've EVER been in. Including porsche's, nsx's, etc etc...

with the exception of another friends built to shit mustang (351 W built for nitros & turbo) it was also the fastest.

However I will concede that they ARE a problem ridden car... but that's just because they're turbo and people don't know how to care for or drive turbo cars. they just tool on them and shut them off leading to turbo problems.. and they have CRAPPY heads. I knew one kid who went through 3 new heads (all new valves springs etc..). And the second owner had it for a month before after starting it and attempting to leave his driveway he heard a clunk and there it has sat since.

you can easily pick up a talon for 900-2000 even with a realatively small budget of 10k that leaves you with TONS of options and the ability to end up with a MUCH faster car than any of the other options (imo). You spend 7-9k on bushur parts for that car and IT WILL FLY.

That or get a good ol' 5.0 they've got potential like noone's bizniz. and the insurance isn't a KILLER.
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A reliable turbo rx-7... I'd love to see that...

And I'm not gunna call bs on the stock you vs. stock tsi but... My buddy had a TOTALLY stock tsi that consistantly ROASTED everything he went up against including lightly modded 5.0's. I've ridden in it and others (others were not as nice as his) and if it weren't for the fact that I took a ride in my buddies RX-7 the other day I would say it's the best handling car I've EVER been in. Including porsche's, nsx's, etc etc...

with the exception of another friends built to shit mustang (351 W built for nitros & turbo) it was also the fastest.

However I will concede that they ARE a problem ridden car... but that's just because they're turbo and people don't know how to care for or drive turbo cars. they just tool on them and shut them off leading to turbo problems.. and they have CRAPPY heads. I knew one kid who went through 3 new heads (all new valves springs etc..). And the second owner had it for a month before after starting it and attempting to leave his driveway he heard a clunk and there it has sat since.

you can easily pick up a talon for 900-2000 even with a realatively small budget of 10k that leaves you with TONS of options and the ability to end up with a MUCH faster car than any of the other options (imo). You spend 7-9k on bushur parts for that car and IT WILL FLY.

That or get a good ol' 5.0 they've got potential like noone's bizniz. and the insurance isn't a KILLER.


just so you know, i have a 4th gen prelude with a h22 in it.

a reliable rx7... do you know what causes them to be unreliable? the FD's had cooling problems and the apex seals get weak fast if you beat on the engine. that is why i said that you need to replace them to make it more reliable. the DSMs are nice cars, but a vast majority of people modding them do not build the engine, and with bolt ons and bumped boost, they run into problems fast, and the drive train(awd one) does not like alot of power stock. a built DSM is deadly though, cause it is basicaly an american evo5-6 (same engine, same drive train, same basic weight)
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dood, civics are light as hell... so if you leave the engine in there and add stuff like exhaust, intake, headers, spark plugs, park plug wires... you could eventually have yourself a close to 200 hp civic, and that thing would freakin rocket...
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see yeah of course you can suggest older dsm but their tendency for crank walk is too scary for me
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hmmm that's a tough question. as much as i hate nissan cars i think the skyline looks sweet and i wouldn't mind sporting one. i'd say a wrx will be a nice car for waht you want or look into an older 2.5 rs turbo. those things are mean and handling is top notch.


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its the newer DSM's than have the crank walk problem
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dood, civics are light as hell... so if you leave the engine in there and add stuff like exhaust, intake, headers, spark plugs, park plug wires... you could eventually have yourself a close to 200 hp civic, and that thing would freakin rocket...
\what is your definition of a rocket? and honestly, im done wit hdtrait line speed, i want to fly around turns now. lateral g's are so much more fun than getting thrown back in my seat
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Old 03-23-2003, 03:31 PM   #24
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What do you guys think of the Lexus IS?


Keep in mind guys, that this car is free...so, i wanna ty to get the best car i can, and i want a new car...

decisions decisions

maybe i can buy the lexus IS, and drop an old skyline engine into it, so it has the potential for twin turbos?

i dunno, i'm glad i have all of you guys to help me make this decision. hehe
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So, i guess what i'm sayn, is i want a rear drive, japanese car, with good potential...not a 240 sx, cause my best friends got one of those...i can't copy, hehe. and i wanna try for a new car while i got the chance for it to be free, ya know.
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Ok though you all make good points, hes talking about keeping insurance down low.

I've already got a quote from various insurance companies, farmers, AAA, etc.. and the cheapest I've seen is on a civic. Of course various other factors come into play like color, record, location, but generally civics come down pretty low.

240sx nice car to swap, but with age comes higher insurance.. if no coverage at all.
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So, i guess what i'm sayn, is i want a rear drive, japanese car, with good potential...not a 240 sx, cause my best friends got one of those...i can't copy, hehe. and i wanna try for a new car while i got the chance for it to be free, ya know.

front drive bad=civic bad, bah.... :o
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Dude, civics are cheap to buy - and they are easy to modify. Just think, if you want real potential outta a honda, all you need is a turbo B18C5 setup and your golden.
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So just get a 240, a Silvia S14 front/rear end, and a SR20DET motor.
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As far as RX-7's being unreliable JUST because of the apex seals is rediculous... I told my buddy (with a turbo II) about your post and he cracked up before I told him about my (poking fun) response. They are RIDDLED with problems electrical... computer... suspension... TONS of problems WAY more than the admittadly problematic talon/eclipse. My whole point of the talon was with extra money PRE alloted to rebuild just about the entire drive train with buschur parts... this would yield Low- a 13-14 sec 7000 dollar nasty car OR High- a 9 second 10-20000 dollar car.

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A. civics ARE NOT LIGHT my buddies 70 Impala weighs all of 1000 lbs more than my EX and has a 400 C.I. engine..
200 Hp from bolt ons on a civic???? I'm not even going to justify that with a reaming. Even with 200 whp a civic would get smacked up and down by a talon with the same money put into it....(given enitial cost and cost of upgrades).

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chris already straighten you out. that's second gen... and even then I was recommending getting a buschur set up so that's fixed even if it were 2nd gen.

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he said no 240... and a used talon 1st gen will never cost as much as a civic.

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The IS engine is just as suitable for turbo as is. People turbo them ALL the time I'm not sure exactly what 3liter is in it but it's from there sports car... I think it's the inline six from the supra... Plus it's 3.0 instead of the skyline 2.4... and swapping that in would be a FULLY custom job... plus the skyline is AWD and the lexus is not good luck making that fit. If you want to stick RWD then an RX-7 is worth looking into but BE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING INTO. My friend is on the brink of tears weekly because of his car and it's issues... go to some of the rx-7 forums you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll love it but it'll make you work for your fun.

Other than that I don't know what to tell ya.. If your looking for something new and nice like a lexus IS then sh1t I'd say go for it.
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Dude, civics are cheap to buy - and they are easy to modify. Just think, if you want real potential outta a honda, all you need is a turbo B18C5 setup and your golden.


if you do the b18 swap into the civ, then ya gotta change other things too...i'm pretty sure...
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The IS engine is just as suitable for turbo as is. People turbo them ALL the time I'm not sure exactly what 3liter is in it but it's from there sports car... I think it's the inline six from the supra... Plus it's 3.0 instead of the skyline 2.4... and swapping that in would be a FULLY custom job... plus the skyline is AWD and the lexus is not good luck making that fit. If you want to stick RWD then an RX-7 is worth looking into but BE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING INTO. My friend is on the brink of tears weekly because of his car and it's issues... go to some of the rx-7 forums you'll see what I'm talking about. You'll love it but it'll make you work for your fun.


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So it takes till the 3rd page of the post to tell us you want a NEW car?????

HOW MUCH MONEY.

I would suggest the Infinity G35 a 350 Z a RX-8 Lexus IS300 etc.. etc... etc... there all RWD all sport and will ALL probobly kick you in the nuts as far as insurance.

As far as you finding some "red herring" that is a rocket ship that has station wagon insurance rates... it's just not gunna happen.
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So it takes till the 3rd page of the post to tell us you want a NEW car?????

HOW MUCH MONEY.

I would suggest the Infinity G35 a 350 Z a RX-8 Lexus IS300 etc.. etc... etc... there all RWD all sport and will ALL probobly kick you in the nuts as far as insurance.

As far as you finding some "red herring" that is a rocket ship that has station wagon insurance rates... it's just not gunna happen.


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If somone told you they were gunna buy you a car for nothing in return, i think you'd take advantage of the situation, and the civic can never be as fast as an STi, or a skyline, or a supra, or an RX-8, or a lot of other cars...i'm wanna know what cars have a lot of potential, but the insurance won't be outta hand, the mazda rx-8 has four doors...lolm yea


I told ya on the first page, hehe.

yea, new....wtf is the infinity web site page? i can't find it on any search engines :(
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oh wait, it doesn't say new anywhere in that post...haha, nvm then...

yes, iw ant it new :-P
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who is buying u this car since its free....if ur getting a civic......keep urs....swap engine...turbo....ur flying......skyline would be nice....TT supra maybe...85 civic with a B20 bottom and B18 head with 20 psi of boost LOL (my freinds old plan for his car until he wrote it off) thing weighs about 2500lbs or less i bet......
heh whatever u want man........
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who is buying u this car since its free....if ur getting a civic......keep urs....swap engine...turbo....ur flying......skyline would be nice....TT supra maybe...85 civic with a B20 bottom and B18 head with 20 psi of boost LOL (my freinds old plan for his car until he wrote it off) thing weighs about 2500lbs or less i bet......
heh whatever u want man........


.....New! DAMN IT! NEW NEW NEW! lol

shiet! lol, just joshing guys, i'm glad for all your comments.
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Old 03-23-2003, 11:42 PM   #39
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wtf.. I'd take a used 98 TT supra over a new '03 civic.

Newer doesnt necessarily mean better!

why not buy used.
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Old 03-24-2003, 07:59 AM   #40
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NEW?! now he tells us...

Ok...Lexus IS300
Toyota Celica GTS (the new ones w/ hid and new front)
Acura RSX type S
Honda Civic Si
BMW z4 Roadster, M5
Mercedes CLK
or some random SUV w/ lots o' tq
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