Much respect to Marc Ecko

[KwikR6]

http://www.stillfree.com/wmv/Marc_Ec...irForceOne.wmv
He tagged Air force one.

[Wren57]

No he didn't.

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http://www.stillfree.com/legal

-Wren (poops on the party)

[GT40FIED]

Yeah...because they wouldn't put that there to cover their asses. Oh...wait.

Looks real enough to me.

[Wren57]

You also believe and even propogate conspiracy theories.

Search for "Conspiracy" by GT40FIED yields 18 results.

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by Wren57

You also believe and even propogate conspiracy theories.

Search for "Conspiracy" by GT40FIED yields 18 results.

Actually, what I do is ask questions and use my own logic and reasoning without depending on other to spoon-feed me conclusions. If that makes me part of the tinfoil hat crowd, then pass the Reynolds wrap. Why? Simple. It's in a person or people's nature to lie to suit their interests. When I was a kid and living in Texas, I went to the book depository in Dallas. These days the area where Oswald is supposed to have been sitting is glassed off and called the "sniper's nest". The area is pain-stakingly accurate because...you know...Oswald's not in it. Even as a kid I figured out that the reason you can't actually go there and look out the window in because they don't want thousands of tourists every year seeing it and going "There's no fucking way! I can't even see the road!". So it became simple...is it easier to believe that a second person was involved, or is it in easier to believe in "magic" (magic bullets, no less)? If you whole-heartedly believe the official government explanation of events of many of America's turning points then...well...you're a fucking moron.

[Wren57]

Ah, you never fail to change the issue at hand, blow it up to ridiculous theories, make broad generalizations, throw in a few assumptions and then throw an insult at the end. Never said you were a tin-foil wearer, but come on, this is just another example of you believing something ridiculous. Lets take a look at the facts of this, is that allowed?

1. AF1 is the tightest guarded plane in the world. This man had to run the wingspan of a 747, TWICE, without being seen by a single person guarding the world's most secure plane. Hmm...
2. Digital video is amazing. Ever watched a cartoon movie? Ever seen The Matrix? Marc Ecko has some money and can afford stupid stuff like this to promote his brand. Hello Marketing 101.
3. IF this were real, and there was video evidence of him committing the crime and confessing to it, don't you think he would be prosecuted? Duh.
4. There is ZERO on Google.com about this, and I mean ZERO. The media would be all over this story if it had any semblance of truth.

Now that you are done reading, take your tin-foil hat off and try to formulate a relevant thought.

-Wren (apologizes for the political hijack)

[GT40FIED]

And, my dear Wren, you have an astute ability to miss my point.

Truth be told I have no idea who Marc Ecko is. I watched the video a few times looking for the obvious marks of digital editing and didn't see any. That being said, the video is of poor quality and would make it a bit easier to digitally modify. Regardless of how well guarded anything is, people will always be able to get to it. Nothing's fool-proof. I'm not saying that this did or didn't happen. The video looks good enough but yes, I understand the difficulties involved that would tend to make it unlikely. Honestly, I really don't care. I would just as easily have left it alone if you hadn't decided to pick at that scab.

[Wren57]

So you agree you think the video could be fake? Wow, that goes entirely against the sentiment you used in post #3. You say I don't use my own logic and judgement and that I believe whatever is "spoon fed" to me, then you say "looks real enough for me" after seeing a poor-quality video and then blast me when I try to analyze the facts of this using my own, you guessed it: logic and judgement. Then you back down and say I've missed the point (as you procede to change the point away from the video). Astonishing, and yet, predictable.

-Wren (is amused and disheartened by this recurring theme on the national scale)

[KwikR6]

Well go to the site http://www.stillfree.com/ and go watch the video " Marc Ecko: Why I Tagged Air Force One " Plain as day to me when he says. "That's why I tagged the presidents plane"

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by Wren57

So you agree you think the video could be fake? Wow, that goes entirely against the sentiment you used in post #3. You say I don't use my own logic and judgement and that I believe whatever is "spoon fed" to me, then you say "looks real enough for me" after seeing a poor-quality video and then blast me when I try to analyze the facts of this using my own, you guessed it: logic and judgement. Then you back down and say I've missed the point (as you procede to change the point away from the video). Astonishing, and yet, predictable.

-Wren (is amused and disheartened by this recurring theme on the national scale)

Wow...you really do have a simplistic view of things, huh Wren? Let me lay it out for you in simple terms you can understand:

A. Not once did I say "hey...it's real...shut up". I said "looks real enough to me" (not real enough FOR me, implying that I believe it is real. Quote me right next time). Of course it could be fake...any piece of video can be faked these days. I'm saying that after watching it a few times I'm leaning a bit more towards it being real.

B. The "facts" you stated were either irrelevent or merely your own opinions as to why something like this couldn't be pulled off. The plane's well guarded, so it's impossible to get to. It's not on google, so it must not have happened. It's digital video, so it must be manipulated. He's on the video, so he must not have done it. Sweet zombie jesus man...I'll be damned if I can find a fact among that list. Inferences galore, but no facts.

C. Like I said...I looked over the video and didn't see any hallmarks of digital editing. Again...I have no idea who this Marc Ecko fellow is. If he's a software engineer or a graphic artist (to name a few professions), then he could probably digitally edit the footage well enough to not make it obvious. That being said, I doubt a man in any of those positions would tag AF1.

D. I'll be damned if I can find a contradiction between any of my posts. I'm sure you can, because you're reading way too much into them via your own simple minded idea of who I am and what I think. Guess again. Sorry, you lose...but I'm sure there are some lovely parting girft for you.

[V8killimports]

Ok let me expain how not possible this is. I fly for the air force out of Pope AFB on C130s. I mean these things are the biggest hunk of shit in the air force. Many of them are build back in 1962 and most have seen Vietnam.

If you tried to come "tag" one of the pieces of shit that I fly you would be DEAD. The military does not mess around nowadays with security. If you think you can do this even on one of my planes.. by all means. PLEASE come try. Now let's talk about Andrews AFB.. do you have any idea the level of security that is put in place there? Do you REALLY think that the only separating the ourside world from the Presidential ramp is ONE small 6 foot fence? I have been there MANY times and can tell you that this is bullshit. And in addition, the ONLY time AF1 is parked outside is when it is being fueled and preflighted just prior to the president arriving. Otherwise it sits in it's multimillion dollar hangar.. I mean let's not be retarded... Would a guy with a 1967 Ferarri park his car on the street instead of his garage?

Oh.. here are some more videos that are definately real because they look real...

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show....ywords=surfing

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show....ating=nsfw_sfw

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show....ating=nsfw_sfw

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show....ywords=amazing

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show....ywords=amazing

Those all MUST be real.

[GT40FIED]

Awww...how cute. You managed to find some viral videos only using one site. Good for you. No...seriously...you're my hero.

[V8killimports]

The whole point was this took about 30 seconds to find videos that looked just as "real" as that.. and like I said I have first hand knowledge of AF Base security and this would NOT be possible.. videos or no videos.

[GT40FIED]

So again, security is tight, so it must be impossible. Truely a word to the wise.

As for the other videos...no, they don't look anything like this. Those are obvious fakes. In fact, at least one runs on commercial TV as an ad. Not even remotely similar.

[V8killimports]

Here is some info from someone that actually does the job and people who know what the fuck they are talking about.

"I was stationed at Bolling for four years in a Presidential Support special duty assignment. My former boss was the Chief Steward on AF2, and several of my friends have been assigned to the 89th in various enlisted capacities. I've also been in that hangar for picture taking purposes, and the occasional ceremony.

Disclaimer or not, I can tell you there is no way you can get into that complex covertly without being killed in a violent fashion. Trust me on this one. No "freeze!". No "put your hands in the air!" Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead!

Now, as to the footage they appear to have taken of the airplane, which with the exception of the spray paint part does look genuine, I would imagine they'll be receiving a visit from the FBI shortly along with a warrant. Enjoy the interrogation process, idiot."


"The part of the tape purporting to show them near the airplane is demonstrably false. (Beyond the above mentioned unlikelihood of their survival in the kill zone between those fences.) the close in footage depicts an airplane NOT well lit. Compare the footage taken from several thousand feet away, (Real) to the footage of them running under the wing. Notice how the engine cowling close up is not lit at all, vs the earlier establishing shot? Also notice the lack of ISDS rearward facing IR antenae/fairing pods on the top trailing edge of the engine mount. The paint scheme currently in use on the VC-25's features the US of A titles extending well past the rear of the wing/fuselage fairing. Most of the word "America" should be view on the white portion of the fuselage in this same shot.

Also, why is the footage in black and white? Because the stand-in aircraft they were using at Victorville or Mojave had a similar cheat line, but not the right colors to withstand scrutiny."

[V8killimports]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

So again, security is tight, so it must be impossible. Truely a word to the wise.

As for the other videos...no, they don't look anything like this. Those are obvious fakes. In fact, at least one runs on commercial TV as an ad. Not even remotely similar.

Well I guess anyone that believe's hard enough can make it real.. I mean just ask fucking pinnochio.

[HondaImpaler]

As much as I'd like it to have really happened, I highly doubt it.

[AzCivic]

GT will believe in anything that somehow undermines the governement, lol.

yeah, its obviously fake. Do you think you could make a video of a bank robbery throw it on the internet on your own website claiming responsibility and not be arrested? This is about a million times worse.

[V8killimports]

Publicity stunt to sell more of his queer ass clothing.. good for him.

[Wren57]

^I agree with the last two posts...

Amazing to me how much evidence points in the "he didn't do it" direction and yet Steve still believes and how little evidence points in the conspiracy direction on other issues and he believes those. You call me simple minded; maybe you are just crazy. Hey if it is on video, it must be true. Give me a break.

[AkimboStylee]

Since when does it really matter what people think. I am sorry guys but i am with steve and have to say that to me it looks real. hell it could be real, who knows. were you there? chances are no, so you know what just sit your ass down and be entertained by the video because after all that is what it is all about, entertainment.

[V8killimports]

It actually has nothing to do with entertainment.. it is strictly about selling more clothing which I am sure 1 million dipshits went out and did the next day.

No I wasn't there.. but I am pretty sure I might know a little bit more about ramp security on an Air Force base than pretty much everyone here. And if you mutiply standard security by so.. 1000.. then you have presidential ramp security.

Please see my post above from someone who actually has worked on AF1 & AF2. I mean.. according to that video there is more security for senator and congressman planes than for the presidents... don't think so.

PS - I might have been there.. I do Phoenix Banner missions all the time to Andrews AFB.. ALL THE TIME. NEVER have I seen AF1 just sitting outside unless it was roped off with 15+ security forces/secret service dudes babysitting it.

And come to think of it I think it has people around it 24/7 even when it's in the hangar.

[AzCivic]

Originally Posted by AkimboStylee

, so you know what just sit your ass down and be entertained

how about...no? I'll question something when I damn well feel like it!

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by Wren57

^I agree with the last two posts...

Amazing to me how much evidence points in the "he didn't do it" direction and yet Steve still believes and how little evidence points in the conspiracy direction on other issues and he believes those. You call me simple minded; maybe you are just crazy. Hey if it is on video, it must be true. Give me a break.

Hey man...you're the one that brought it up. I honestly don't care. And when I say I don't care, I really mean it would be impossible for me to care less.

[Wren57]

Ever had a psychoanalysis?

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by Wren57

Ever had a psychoanalysis?

Yeah...a few, actually. I'm a lot more normal than you'd like to think Wren. I just tend to be very inquisitive. The reason you think I love conspiracies is because I tend to really look into things that don't add up to me rather than just accept what I'm told outright. If that works for you, great. Apparently it's working for millions of others as well. Sometimes looking deeper confirms the original findings, but often (and especially when it involves our government), shit doesn't add up.

[HondaImpaler]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

Yeah...a few, actually. I'm a lot more normal than you'd like to think Wren. I just tend to be very inquisitive. The reason you think I love conspiracies is because I tend to really look into things that don't add up to me rather than just accept what I'm told outright. If that works for you, great. Apparently it's working for millions of others as well. Sometimes looking deeper confirms the original findings, but often (and especially when it involves our government), shit doesn't add up.

You should check out some of these books:
'You are being lied to' edited by Russ Kick

There's a few, sort of a series. Interesting to say the least.

[AzCivic]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060422/...force_one_hoax

[V8killimports]

I think it's funny that you have fucks like this.. claiming to be on some crusade cause "this country sucks" and things need to be fixed.. Bush sucks.. blah blah blah.. but he has enough money to blow on renting a 747, and painting it like AF1.

I truely feel for him.. I can't imagine how bad his life must suck.

[V8killimports]

And I have been here as long as almost anyone.. so when do I get mod rights?

Love
V8

[KwikR6]

Originally Posted by V8killimports

I think it's funny that you have fucks like this.. claiming to be on some crusade cause "this country sucks" and things need to be fixed.. Bush sucks.. blah blah blah.. but he has enough money to blow on renting a 747, and painting it like AF1.

I truely feel for him.. I can't imagine how bad his life must suck.

True....so technically the video was real though. haha

Originally Posted by V8killimports

And I have been here as long as almost anyone.. so when do I get mod rights?

Love
V8

As soon as we get more then 15 regularly posting members.

[Wren57]

Originally Posted by AzCivic

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060422/...force_one_hoax

Steve =

[GT40FIED]

Seriously man...grow up.

[Wren57]

Seriously man... grow a sense of humor.

[GT40FIED]

I think we both know my sense of humor is quite acute. It just wasn't funny. Childish...but not funny.

[KwikR6]

Originally Posted by Wren57

Steve =

The video is still real hahahahaa
sort of haah

[AzCivic]

thats like saying fake gold is real because you can see it. "real" would mean he actually tagged the "real" AF1.

[KwikR6]

Originally Posted by AzCivic

thats like saying fake gold is real because you can see it. "real" would mean he actually tagged the "real" AF1.

No i'm saying the video is real and not digitally edited The plane isn't real :P

[Wren57]

No, the plane is real, it is just misrepresented.

[KwikR6]

Touche. Plane IS real. NIce call wren. Video is real.
Damn....now that we solved all of that...whta's new man?