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*BlackDeuceCoupe* · 11-29-2001, 10:11 PM

Come on... don't make me do this...:o

First of all, Fram makes sh!t filters. This has been true since Allied Signal took them over. They have a nice radioactive-orange paint job, but all you have to do is look inside one to see what a piece of junk they are; you don't even have to cut them open; just look in 'the hole.' Having said that, they are the #1 seller. Go figure. Ppl are stupid! Frams 'catch your eye', and they're easy on your pocketbook. You can buy them at Wal-Mart for 2/$5, 365 days a year...

My primary concern with Fram filters are their cardboard end caps. The cardboard will deteriorate over time and come loose. I would be particularly concerned about this in a racing environment where higher pressures are common.

I don't normally shop at Pep Boys, but they have the best selection of oil filters of any auto store I've ever been in. Go to a Pep Boys and get the filters I've talked about. Take them to the parts counter and open the boxes up, place them side-by-side and look inside the filters. That will probably be enough to make you swear off of Fram filters for life.

Here's some hype on the PureONE:

"Why purchase a PureONE filter over other leading brands?"

PureONE offers several advantages over leading filter brands:

Filtration Efficiency. PureONE is clearly superior to all other leading brands. With its exclusive Micronic ® filtration system, PureONE captures 96% of all contaminants as measured by the Society of Automotive Engineers' (SAE) #J806 Multiple Pass Test.

More pleats. Provide more filter surface area to prevent oil restriction and allow an added measure of engine protection.

Silicone anti-drainback valve. Retains oil in the filter providing quick lubrication to vital engine parts at start-up. (On models as required by the manufacturer.)

PTFE coated sealing gasket. Reduces friction to assist in removal of the filter.

"How is PureONE's media different from that of other filters?"

PureONE's Micronic ® media is the result of years of research and testing, and it represents the very best in filtering performance available today. The media is not coated with any engine treatment, nor will it strip the engine oil of any additive package that may have been used.

"What is the Multiple Pass Test?"

The Multiple Pass Test of Life and Weighted Average Efficiency (SAE J806) tests a series of oil filter performance variables using a constant flow of contaminated oil through the filter. It measures the media's ability to remove fine dust from oil over an extended period of time-not just the first pass through.

"How does the Single Pass Test differ from the Multiple Pass Test?"

The single pass test merely passes fluid containing tiny glass beads through the filter media. Any beads that pass through are measured to determine the media's efficiency.

In Purolater's opinion, the Multiple Pass Test is much more representative of real life conditions than the Single Pass Test.

For the record, however, PureONE ranked #1 in both Multiple Pass and Single Pass Efficiency Tests.

"If the Single Pass Test efficiency for the PureONE filter is 99.7%, why does it go down to 96% in a Multiple Pass Test?"

As described above, they are two entirely different tests measuring different filter performance requirements.

"Do PureONE's added pleats reduce oil filter flow?"

No. The added pleats help reduce restriction by providing a broader filtration area.

"What is a micron rating?"

Many questions have arisen as to what a micron rating is, and how PureONE compares in this regard with other leading brands.

To begin with, there is no "standard" for a "micron rating." In other words, a micron rating means different things to different people -- depending on who's doing the testing, what type/weight of oil is used, at what rate the oil is injected into the media, etc.

Purolator, therefore, has chosen the BETA ratio-SAE Test J1858-as being representative of its "micron rating." A BETA ratio is a measure of the number of particles that enter the filter to the number of particles that leave the filter. The PureONE filter has a BETA ratio of 7.2 at 10 microns. This corresponds to an efficiency rating of 86.1%-meaning that the PureONE filter removes 86.1% of 10 micron-sized particles and above from contaminated oil-43.5% better than the closest competitor!

Following is a list of some of the leading brand's BETA ratios and corresponding efficiencies at a particle size of 10 microns: *

Brand BETA Ratio Efficiency Rating:

PureONE 7.2 86.1% efficient
Fram Extraguard 2.5 60.0% efficient
Hard Driver 2.2 54.5% efficient
Wix Sport Truck 2.2 54.5% efficient
AC Duraguard 1.5 33.3% efficient

*Data was compiled in accordance with SAE Test Procedure J1858
on PureONE PL 30001 oil filter and competitive equivalents.

"What is the significance of a "silicone" anti-drainback valve?"

Silicone provides a higher resistance to heat and cold, and allows greater flexibility than traditional nitrite rubber gaskets.

"Can I go longer intervals between oil changes with PureONE?"

It is recommended that you change your oil every 3,000 miles, or according to the owner's manual. The PureONE filter is designed to give you optimum protection over the life of your oil change.

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Most North American Honda OE filters are made by Toyo Roki. If you want to read about them, follow this link.

Two things here. I'm sure they are V nice ppl, but has anyone besides me ever heard of them??? Plus, you get what you pay for; you know?

Secondly, the larger point here is that Honda DOES NOT make their own filters, as so many ppl think. While they are made by Toyo Roki, they usually say "Made in Canada" and look V similar in construction to the Fram filter mentioned above, cardboard end caps and all, but with increased surface area and increased inlet area. Personally, I would not be suprised if Toyo Roki has outsourced these filters to Allied Signal. If it says "Made in Canada", beware!!!

Anyone familiar with Hondas knows that the Japanese keep the best for themselves. This apparently applies to oil filters as well. The JDM Toyo Roki filters use steel end caps, a steel bypass valve [with V stiff spring], and a media that looks similar in thickness and quality to premium paper media filters like the PureONE. They say "Made in Japan."

It should be noted that these filters are NOT available in the North America at all; they are only available in Japan, the orient, and more than likely the UK and Australia. The only way to get one from Honda in the US is to purchase a new Honda made in Japan. This is the filter that they put on the S2000 at the factory.

In the US, if you order the JDM part number, you will be subbed a US or Canadian filter instead. So far, there is no one known to be importing these filters. If you want one, you will have to find a source and have it shipped yourself.

If you are REALLY unlucky, you will end up with an OE filter that says "made in USA." These are the worst pieces of crap imaginable. This filter looks identical to the Toyo Roki-made JDM filter at first glance; externally the same construction. The only indicator is the "FILTECH" stamped on the outside [a large US manufacturer of filters under various brand names].

Internally it's [almost] identical to the JDM filter; steel end caps, steel bypass valve, et cetera. What makes it stand out as different is the radically different filter media. The US media looks much, much worse than the Fram. While the filter itself is constructed very well [like the Japanese one], it also has the least surface area of all the Honda filters [though only a few inches less than the Canadian one].

Is the PureONE looking better to you know???

11-29-2001, 10:11 PM	#4
BlackDeuceCoupe The Great Ape Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Skull Island Posts: 774	Come on... don't make me do this...:o First of all, Fram makes sh!t filters. This has been true since Allied Signal took them over. They have a nice radioactive-orange paint job, but all you have to do is look inside one to see what a piece of junk they are; you don't even have to cut them open; just look in 'the hole.' Having said that, they are the #1 seller. Go figure. Ppl are stupid! Frams 'catch your eye', and they're easy on your pocketbook. You can buy them at Wal-Mart for 2/$5, 365 days a year... My primary concern with Fram filters are their cardboard end caps. The cardboard will deteriorate over time and come loose. I would be particularly concerned about this in a racing environment where higher pressures are common. I don't normally shop at Pep Boys, but they have the best selection of oil filters of any auto store I've ever been in. Go to a Pep Boys and get the filters I've talked about. Take them to the parts counter and open the boxes up, place them side-by-side and look inside the filters. That will probably be enough to make you swear off of Fram filters for life. Here's some hype on the PureONE: "Why purchase a PureONE filter over other leading brands?" PureONE offers several advantages over leading filter brands: Filtration Efficiency. PureONE is clearly superior to all other leading brands. With its exclusive Micronic ® filtration system, PureONE captures 96% of all contaminants as measured by the Society of Automotive Engineers' (SAE) #J806 Multiple Pass Test. More pleats. Provide more filter surface area to prevent oil restriction and allow an added measure of engine protection. Silicone anti-drainback valve. Retains oil in the filter providing quick lubrication to vital engine parts at start-up. (On models as required by the manufacturer.) PTFE coated sealing gasket. Reduces friction to assist in removal of the filter. "How is PureONE's media different from that of other filters?" PureONE's Micronic ® media is the result of years of research and testing, and it represents the very best in filtering performance available today. The media is not coated with any engine treatment, nor will it strip the engine oil of any additive package that may have been used. "What is the Multiple Pass Test?" The Multiple Pass Test of Life and Weighted Average Efficiency (SAE J806) tests a series of oil filter performance variables using a constant flow of contaminated oil through the filter. It measures the media's ability to remove fine dust from oil over an extended period of time-not just the first pass through. "How does the Single Pass Test differ from the Multiple Pass Test?" The single pass test merely passes fluid containing tiny glass beads through the filter media. Any beads that pass through are measured to determine the media's efficiency. In Purolater's opinion, the Multiple Pass Test is much more representative of real life conditions than the Single Pass Test. For the record, however, PureONE ranked #1 in both Multiple Pass and Single Pass Efficiency Tests. "If the Single Pass Test efficiency for the PureONE filter is 99.7%, why does it go down to 96% in a Multiple Pass Test?" As described above, they are two entirely different tests measuring different filter performance requirements. "Do PureONE's added pleats reduce oil filter flow?" No. The added pleats help reduce restriction by providing a broader filtration area. "What is a micron rating?" Many questions have arisen as to what a micron rating is, and how PureONE compares in this regard with other leading brands. To begin with, there is no "standard" for a "micron rating." In other words, a micron rating means different things to different people -- depending on who's doing the testing, what type/weight of oil is used, at what rate the oil is injected into the media, etc. Purolator, therefore, has chosen the BETA ratio-SAE Test J1858-as being representative of its "micron rating." A BETA ratio is a measure of the number of particles that enter the filter to the number of particles that leave the filter. The PureONE filter has a BETA ratio of 7.2 at 10 microns. This corresponds to an efficiency rating of 86.1%-meaning that the PureONE filter removes 86.1% of 10 micron-sized particles and above from contaminated oil-43.5% better than the closest competitor! Following is a list of some of the leading brand's BETA ratios and corresponding efficiencies at a particle size of 10 microns: * Brand BETA Ratio Efficiency Rating: PureONE 7.2 86.1% efficient Fram Extraguard 2.5 60.0% efficient Hard Driver 2.2 54.5% efficient Wix Sport Truck 2.2 54.5% efficient AC Duraguard 1.5 33.3% efficient Data was compiled in accordance with SAE Test Procedure J1858 on PureONE PL 30001 oil filter and competitive equivalents. "What is the significance of a "silicone" anti-drainback valve?" Silicone provides a higher resistance to heat and cold, and allows greater flexibility than traditional nitrite rubber gaskets. "Can I go longer intervals between oil changes with PureONE?" It is recommended that you change your oil every 3,000 miles, or according to the owner's manual. The PureONE filter is designed to give you optimum protection over the life of your oil change. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Most North American Honda OE filters are made by Toyo Roki. If you want to read about them, follow this link. Two things here. I'm sure they are V nice ppl, but has anyone besides me ever heard of them??? Plus, you get what you pay for; you know? Secondly, the larger point here is that Honda DOES NOT make their own filters, as so many ppl think. While they are made by Toyo Roki, they usually say "Made in Canada" and look V similar in construction to the Fram filter mentioned above, cardboard end caps and all, but with increased surface area and increased inlet area. Personally, I would not be suprised if Toyo Roki has outsourced these filters to Allied Signal. If it says "Made in Canada", beware!!! Anyone familiar with Hondas knows that the Japanese keep the best for themselves. This apparently applies to oil filters as well. The JDM Toyo Roki filters use steel end caps, a steel bypass valve [with V stiff spring], and a media that looks similar in thickness and quality to premium paper media filters like the PureONE. They say "Made in Japan." It should be noted that these filters are NOT available in the North America at all; they are only available in Japan, the orient, and more than likely the UK and Australia. The only way to get one from Honda in the US is to purchase a new Honda made in Japan. This is the filter that they put on the S2000 at the factory. In the US, if you order the JDM part number, you will be subbed a US or Canadian filter instead. So far, there is no one known to be importing these filters. If you want one, you will have to find a source and have it shipped yourself. If you are REALLY unlucky, you will end up with an OE filter that says "made in USA." These are the worst pieces of crap imaginable. This filter looks identical to the Toyo Roki-made JDM filter at first glance; externally the same construction. The only indicator is the "FILTECH" stamped on the outside [a large US manufacturer of filters under various brand names]. Internally it's [almost] identical to the JDM filter; steel end caps, steel bypass valve, et cetera. What makes it stand out as different is the radically different filter media. The US media looks much, much worse than the Fram. While the filter itself is constructed very well [like the Japanese one], it also has the least surface area of all the Honda filters [though only a few inches less than the Canadian one]. Is the PureONE looking better to you know??? __________________ Posted by BlackDeuceCoupe* - 2oo0 Honda CiViC FBP HX cOUPe "Pay special attention to posts by BlackDeuceCoupe, the instigator of the forum, who does a nice job of breaking my column and responses down." - Paul Brink, ASU State Press DISCLAIMER The existence of BDC is disputable. 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