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Originally posted by mt.biker
wars entered without attack on american soil
-Canada vs USA (you lost and we sent you packing btw, we also burned your white house)
-bay of pigs (you got owned in this one)
- WW1
- Korean war
- Veitnam (why did you even do this, you just kept going with no goal in mind)
-Afgan vs USSR (you privately backed the afgan's who now attack your major cities, and you wonder why they got pissed when you turned your back on them after they fought USSR for you)
- Desert storm (done for oil)
wars entered with attack on American soil
-Terroism war
-WWII (but you didn't enter when the world needed you, you waited until japan kill a few 1000 Americans)
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Rob you know I luv ya and all...and I typically agree with you on what you have to say....but you struck a nerve here with me, and I'm willing to be late to work to throw in my 2 cents. The US has declared war 5 times in our history as a nation....the Mexican War, War of 1812, French and Indian War and both World Wars. The reason why we didn't enter the 2nd WW was because we were trying to remain neutral...similar to Canada being the typical peace keeping country outside of Switzerland (you didn't see them gettin any shit for wanting to be neutral in the world wars). And as for your war "Canada vs US"...Canadians weren't fighting that war....the British were....the British owned us (like normal in our early history). Does everyone feel the same way about Great Britian as they do about America? Because at one point Britian and France were the world powers.
The Bay of Pigs we didn't actually fight in. It was a group of Cuban exiles that we trained to "invade" Cuba at the Bay of Pigs and the only reason why it didn't work was because Castro was given a heads up and was ready for the attack. And the other reason why we trained them was a lil thing called the Monroe Doctrine...which basically states that the Eastern Hemisphere better stay the hell out of the Western Hemisphere or you're gonna have the US on your ass cuz no other country in the Western Hemisphere would step up to keep Europe out...so that left the US, a budding nation and one that was trying to develop a stand in the World...which by doing this pushed us to becoming a world power. Whether we wanted that position or not is not the topic. The other thing that strikes me as funny is the fact that you didn't bring up Guatemala but you brought up the Bay of Pigs. What you say...what does Guatemala have to do with anything??? A lot....The US did the exact same thing when Guatemala was fighting for independence as they did in the Bay of Pigs. And that worked...but NO ONE ever talks about that because it was a success.
The thing is, the US does what it feels necessary at the time to protect the best interest of the country and this hemisphere. When we were aiding Afghanistan, we did so because there was a Cold War, and our country was supporting Democracy and trying to stop the spread of Communism. It was the era....everyone compares these wars/battles/attacks to the present day. You have to remember that the mind thought and beliefs were COMPLETELY different 20 some yrs ago. You can't compare using present day thinking...and thats what Al-queda (?) is doing now.
Sorry about the rant...but there are so many fuzzy details about history and everyone tries to use present day thinking to justify something that has happened in the past and you just can't do that.