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Originally Posted by ChrisCantSkate

a more perfect union is not a grammatical fuckup, its a concept of building a better nation. when perfect is used as a verb it can mean to imporve and bring near perfection.
–verb (used with object)
18. to bring to completion; finish.
19. to bring to perfection; make flawless or faultless.
20. to bring nearer to perfection; improve.
21. to make fully skilled.
22. Printing. to print the reverse of (a printed sheet).

granted there are almost 20 other definitions that are deffiniate, or absolute which is near impossible to reach in any circumstance anyways, i have this itching feeling that when they said they wanted to create a more perfect union it ment to improve or try and bring near perfection. the english language has lots of words with many more meanings and EXPECIALLY from a document which was made to not be exact and leave avalibility for interpretation to be able to mold and fit a certain situation, you cannot nail down your favorate meaning of a single word and use that for the basis of an argument.

steve your looking at half the situations and assuming peoples ways of life are a certain way and you know the best outcome for it. i have a good argument, but i wanted it back up with facts, and i dont feel like digging up sources now so i'll get back in a day or so with it

Chris...I think the definition you highlighted is used in a different context. I think that's supposed to be the homonym meaning to hone something to pefection. The usage in the Constitution is as an adjective, not a verb. So yeah...it's incorrect.

And how am I only looking at half the situation? I'm intentionally trying to make things as broad as I possibly can by just stating facts with a bit of opinion thrown in. Facts don't have a system of values. I mean if you want to talk about what are commonly held as western or American values, I probably have the LEAST out of the lot here.