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Old 10-04-2006, 07:42 PM   #2
Robert
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Originally Posted by GT40FIED
No...it really is a muslim creation. But the idea was pretty much lost on modern muslims until the US stepped in to help Afghans fight off the Soviets in the 80s. It'd be a lot like reintroducing the idea of crusades to christians these days.

Actually you're wrong. I'm taking a course on terrorism as we speak and you're flat out wrong. There are no facts to what you speak of.

The Afgan's were just as much against the USSR as they were against the US. However they needed the US support to defend themselves. They were indeed a covient allie to the US as the US wanted to stop the spread of communism.

However when USSR collapsed and split into 15 countries, the militant forces needed to find a new focus. It was at this time they shifted their views to the US. The US served as a scape goat for all the things wrong in their society. With the vacum of the USSR being gone, and a collapsed economy people with nothing looked for something. The US is the supper power and the prime target to focus on when fighting the western ways. However even Muslims who are less radical then Islams are targets of hate and death. Jihad is a Koran teaching, (rough quote) "If they are not won over by the Koran, they will be taken by the sword" This is from Muhamad's own mouth and is used by Isamic militants when justifing their war. And Muhamad himself waged the first Jihad and is responsible for the conversation of many pagens. No where in either Jewish teachings or Christian teaches are you to convert through fear of death.

In contrast nowhere in the bible does it speak of waging war on non-believers. It however was a sad point in Christian history that religious power corupoted societies to act in less then Christian ways. However Christian armies twice stopped the spread of Islam into Europe, which would have completely changed history.

Further more, at the time Muslim/Islam spread from spain to asia, grew faster then any other religion in history. Things didnt really change until North America was discovered by a European. It was at this time the West advanced from owning 27% of the known world to 60%, and this was not done through religion. It was done through better navigators and military technology. After the West concored North America they created a space of tolerance, even for Muslims. It is in striking contrast to the history of Muslims/Islam; which for 14 centuries waged war without rest.

BTW Muslim/Islam - same book. Islams are more fundimental Muslims. Not unlike the term orthodox.

BTW #2 - I'd personally really like if it you could stop blaming US government for all that is wrong in the world. When compaired to soceities around the world, they are actually one of the most tolerant out there. Not perfect, this I am aware of; but not the reason for terrorism.

Last edited by Robert : 10-04-2006 at 09:24 PM.
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