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Originally Posted by ChrisCantSkate
dont milk your own ego too hard.. c'mon man.. you can do better. you completly juked my responce and ripped into him for agreeing with me?. my point i was making was how.. never mind... i tried, im tired
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Sorry Chris...I wasn't trying to skirt your response. I'm just sick of having to try and defend a point I'm making on an issue against something like "you're head is up your ass and I know better". And really, I wasn't trying to milk my own ego...just, as you put it, trying to show the other side of the looking glass. I don't know if I'm right, and really it doesn't matter. In an argument you don't need to be right, you just have to prove the other person wrong which, by default, makes you right. As for what you said...
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Originally Posted by ChrisCantSkate
now when a global polictical topic is brought up, something we have all grown up with over the past 5 years and all have emotions to it some way or another(or we wouldnt even borther posting ) we are all going to voice our opinion that we have. you cant say one thing, do another, then tell someone else they are the reason this mess is going on.
why is it so far fetched that among other things bush wants, finding osama is one of them? rob did bring up a good point about military business which i cannot disagree with, however i also beleive that we are asshole-ish enough to find a reason every 3-5 years to have a mini war and spend a few pennies on a probobly worthless endevor. however if he does capture osama it makes us happy, if we're happy then we dont question his intentions as much. if we had caught him like we drove sadam out of kwait 15 years ago then little trips into iraq or iran to control their way of gov't would be similar to how we got free reign on S. America in the 90's to carry out countless military operations.
im not saying thats whats going on, or will i pretend to, im just showing you the other side of the looking glass and how MAYBE just MAYBE when some information is put in front of bush's nose he'll read it and decide to act upon it at the right time. before when we wanted to get iraq the administration was reporting all these findings about sadams WMDs and whatnot, however now its other countries and most all news stations saying they beleive osama is in pakistan.. not a huge difference, but food for thought. dont think cause you have a little intuition you hit your conspiracy thoerys on the head every time
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Well I'm not disagreeing with you Chris. And the statements are pretty vague so even if I wanted to it'd be hard. I'm not saying that catching Osama isn't on Bush's "to do" list...I'm just saying it's not NEARLY as high as it needs to be but he continues to pretend like we were all over his ass all along. This is, of course, why we don't even know if he's dead or not. That's right...our intelligence is that fucking good.
As Americans, we always seem to have the wrong answers to the right questions. The question of how to get Saddam out was a good one...our answer was to decimate the entire country of Iraq, a move that was profoundly stupid. And really, it's the kind of stupid that science can learn from. As you pointed out, in the 80's/90's we walked in and out of Central and South American all the time...changing regimes, murdering heads of state, and pretty much doing what we pleased. You're gonna tell me we couldn't have done that in Iraq? It's not simply that we didn't catch Osama...it's that we easily could have but didn't. Like I said before, anyone who thinks that the largest military power in the world can't find one guy is just plain stupid. Now it's suddenly a huge deal again. Sorry, but if he really is the most wanted mani n the world and the most evil man in the world, we'd have found a way to catch him rather than throwing in the proverbial towel when Iraq went all quagmire on us.
It seems like every day there's a new story about something we're fucking up. This time it was potentially going into Pakistan against their wishes and doing away with another ally in that area. On the news now it's torture and whether or not it's ok. I'm not saying some people don't deserve it...I'm saying it's illegal and it's possibly the worst way of gathering credible intelligence out there (assuming you even interrogate the right person). Hell, hook a car battery up to my nuts and I'LL tell you where Osama is. Sure, I don't know where he is...but I'll tell you whatever you want so you stop zapping my junk. Next it'll be Iran and whether or not they have the right to bring themselves out of the bronze age (we contend they do not). All of these problems will surely bring more wrong answers and just dig us deeper into a hole. The question of catching Osama is just one small piece in a huge puzzle. Sadly, that puzzle is made of bullshit and it forms a picture of a donkey fucking a Mexican chick. The U.S. should take a cue from the days of the civil war and just ceceed from the world.