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Originally Posted by Wren57
And no they don't come here for citizenship, they come here for work because their home country is so pathetic it can't fix itself so it allows and even encourages people leaving... the vast majority of them just want to better their lives and their family's lives, so don't make them out as common criminals although they've broken an immigration law. This comes back to the "is it OK to steal an apple if you are starving and poor" dilemna. I say so long as you work for that apple, then yes.
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Ok...this part really gets me. There are 6 billion people in this world. Something like 1 billion of them get by on less than $1 per day. If wanting a better life is an excuse to illegally do whatever you want, then this country is fucked. Why not let those 1 billion people set up shop here? Sure, we'd be a third world nation overnight, but at least they'd have a chance at a better life. And what about people already here who want a better life? Hell...I'm sure Donald Trump wants a better life (I would if I were him...I'd at least wanna not be such a douche bag). No country on eartch can fix itself...it's up to the people of that country to use what they have to make it better. If you're too fucking lazy to do that...well...do whatever you want just stay the fuck out. Since when does wanting a better life for yourself give you carte blanche to fuck up someone else's chance for a better life?
As for your point that I didn't really make an argument, point well taken. On the topic of things like border patrol, deportation, etc., my response would be "what's the point?". You've got a few thousand border guards and many have caught the same people coming into this country so many times they might as well be on a first name basis (that is, if they actually give their real name). Current legal red tape and laws bind law enforcement from acting in any real way to do anything once an illegal is caught that it's almost like their job is for show and little else. As for guest worker programs...I think they should go down lists of people receiving federal aid (welfare, unemployment, etc.) and offer them the jobs first at a government mandated reasonable wage (nothing too lavish...just something that they could live on). If they decline, bring in foreign workers and then discontinue whatever federal aid that person is getting.
As for that list being full of "opinionated truths", I really don't see you debunking any of it. Pretty sure I included facts to back up most of it (that which cannot be backed up by fact is back up merely by common sense).