OK, Steve, onto your post. Here is cliffs notes I got out of what you posted:
1. You disagree giving up the liberties we have given up for security
--I agree to an extent. Cameras in public locations are a bit ridiculous, but other than that, what liberties have you had taken away? I haven't had any.
2. You don't care enough about basic human rights denied to other peoples because they haven't risen up against their gov't (either out of apathy, being pussies, or not having the capability of doing so).
--Your darwinistic/capitalistic ideals rare their head again, only this time on a larger scale. While I believe in economic capitalism, what you've lined out is societal capitalism. It is a valid opinion, however not one I agree with.
3. You don't want us over there but you don't want us to leave, either.
--Not really sure what to say to this one, you can't blame the present on the past and just give up on the present and future. Don't wish you'd been dealt different cards, gotta play the cards you are dealt. Deal with the situation we are in now, not where we were or where we could have been.
ps. I love intelligent debates.
