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*ChrisCantSkate* · 01-30-2006, 08:55 PM

GT, i think you took a few low blows at rob, and completely stuck your head in the ground when he made valid points but thats another issue...

when it comes down to it, freedom isnt free. we had to fight off the english, we had to go through our time of being opressive with the indians and slaves, we had to work through our problems to come out as who we are today.

freedom is the ability to more or less live your life the way you want to. to say we are "free" is a lie. we are trying to help a very stressed part of the world mature into a place where the people are aloud to live their lives without fear of their government or terrorist of any kind. when those civil liberties are jepordized then someone has to step in.

im not gonna argue right or wrong about invading, since that wasnt the topic, at least i think it wasnt, the shit tossing obscured what was trying to be said. but are we doing good? its too soon to tell. you cant just point and tell a country to become free. it takes time. i think its working, maybe not as fast as we wana see results, but it is for the greater good. to think anytyhing other than that is ignorant. as rob said you can buy alot more oil with half a trillion dollars than what we'll get out of iraq. any economist would agree there was no way we did this to secure oil for ourselves when we could have bought it for cheaper and saved our american lives and let sadam go on doing his thing. however we stepped in because of who he was and what he could/would/is doing. sometimes what is right, and what seems morally right are not the same things. remeber the world goes on for more than 20 40 or 60 years our "free" nation started in 1776, think of all the shit our country has hidden in its closet. its a process that we are trying to get them started on.

01-30-2006, 08:55 PM	#27
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 41 Posts: 9,662	GT, i think you took a few low blows at rob, and completely stuck your head in the ground when he made valid points but thats another issue... when it comes down to it, freedom isnt free. we had to fight off the english, we had to go through our time of being opressive with the indians and slaves, we had to work through our problems to come out as who we are today. freedom is the ability to more or less live your life the way you want to. to say we are "free" is a lie. we are trying to help a very stressed part of the world mature into a place where the people are aloud to live their lives without fear of their government or terrorist of any kind. when those civil liberties are jepordized then someone has to step in. im not gonna argue right or wrong about invading, since that wasnt the topic, at least i think it wasnt, the shit tossing obscured what was trying to be said. but are we doing good? its too soon to tell. you cant just point and tell a country to become free. it takes time. i think its working, maybe not as fast as we wana see results, but it is for the greater good. to think anytyhing other than that is ignorant. as rob said you can buy alot more oil with half a trillion dollars than what we'll get out of iraq. any economist would agree there was no way we did this to secure oil for ourselves when we could have bought it for cheaper and saved our american lives and let sadam go on doing his thing. however we stepped in because of who he was and what he could/would/is doing. sometimes what is right, and what seems morally right are not the same things. remeber the world goes on for more than 20 40 or 60 years our "free" nation started in 1776, think of all the shit our country has hidden in its closet. its a process that we are trying to get them started on. __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.