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Rob...once again you've missed the point.

I'm not saying it's a scam. It's an outright lie. There's no conspiracy theory about it. A conspiracy requires some level of secrecy. All of the facts have been laid of for you for years. Whether or not you choose to observe them is your decision. Speaking of facts, here's a few:

-Iraq had no WMDs. We knew this before going in and so did the rest of the world. They were smart enough to keep out of it. We had an adgenda. We originally stated that the time to invade was now...there was no time to wait. When the U.N. asked for our proof, we said we needed more time. Convinient.

-We have lost more freedom as Americans in the last year than in than we had previously lost in the last 200 years...all in the name of "security" (you apparently haven't browsed over the Patriot Act). Ben Franklin once said "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security" (to paraphrase). Bush's illegal wiretaps and well documented history of lies should be enough to tell you that.

-There is no "war". Congress hasn't declared war since WWII. All other conflicts were approved as military actions. To say one is "pro-war" is to say one supports murder. One human killing another is murder, plain and simple. I don't care what the circumstances are. To be for a war is also to say that one approves of his own countrymen dying in the selfish benefit of his cause, whatever that may be. If you're ok with your own people being killed, good for you. I'm not.

-I'm not sure how you can say religion plays into any of this...other than the fact that there were a bunch of assholes voting for Bush because he went to the same church they did. Jesus has no place in law...just like facts have no place in organized religion. We even put it into our constitution...the seperation of church and state. While it's true this country might have been founded by puritans, most of us have grown up since then and realized that's not how you run a country. While I'm sure you're a fan of Rick Santorum (who should be in jail for any one of a dozen reasons), this country is hedonistic as fuck and we like it that way. Go to church all you want...there aren't many people listening who don't want your vote for one reason or another. And while I'm thinking about church, forget that altogether. Read up on the Gospel of St. Thomas...and then forget about church on it's entirety.

-These things are merely my opinons. If you want to believe I dictate them as fact that is (for the most part) your problem. This is simply what I've come to know to be true through reading, talking to people who have been there and lived it, and pure logic. Nothing too complex, just logic pure and simple. if your mind is clouded by judgemental beliefs, so be it. That doesn't mean that everyone or even anyone is on your side.

And one more thing. "CD5"...his name is Darin. Maybe if you cared enough about this board to participate rather than stir up an argument, you'd know that.