[Robert]

Originally posted by GT40FIED
No...it doesn't help me. Why? Because most of what you said is total and utter crap.

Who are you to say that what my friends have seen and done doesn't reflect the current situation? Have you been there as they have? Have you seen first hand what is going on? No...you haven't, so I'd appreciate it if you'd shut the fuck up and not try to degrade my friends and family who have been there and seen things you've only read about. If you believe what the pentagon has to say, you're just a pawn that will allow himself to be fed any bullshit that comes his way. Why do you think recruitment is down? Because people...even people who would otherwise enlist...know this war is bullshit. And if you're so ready for service, why haven't you enlisted in Canada's army? You won't defend your own homeland but you want to defend a nation that is by and large foolish? Well played, sir.

Your notion that this is a "christian nation" is not only laughable but incredibly ignornant. Remember...you want to emmigrate here. We'll take just about anyone. That means buddhists, communists, atheists, hindus, jews, muslims...anyone who wants in our fucking door. We've even proved it by removing your god from our constitution.

As for the clothes I wear...they're all white T-shirts made in the USA. Same goes for my jeans and my shoes. I do my best to avoid anything that was made or built outside of this country. Do I have things made elsewhere? I'm sure I do. But the next time you sit down to watch TV or type on your computer, you better thank those 18c/hour workers for affording you that luxury before casting stones. There is hardly anyone in this country or on this fucking continent for that matter who cannot say they've purchased things from abroad. My clothes should be the least of your concerns.

As for Israel...have fun throwing around that idea while you're a Canadian. Since Israel's inception we've given them over $1 trillion dollars. They've never paid a dime back. We didn't help them create their country...we (along with several other nations) gave it to them out of pity. Why do you think the Palestinians were so pissed? They'd lived there just fine for the longest time. Then they got told that their country belonged to someone else. I could go into great detail in this subject, but it's a waste of my time in this post. And the only true democracy? That's a joke.

As for the media...if anything they suck the Israeli cock like no one else. God forbid we offend any potential jewish viewers by saying that Israel is wrong or that any muslim nation is right. Just take a look at Hollywood. When was the last time you saw an Israeli hijacker on a plane in some movie? Contrast that with the last time you saw a Mossad agent kill someone. Both instances provide a record of around 0. Now tell me the media, internet or otherwise, has a favorable bias towards anyone BUT Israel (extremists aside). Add to the fact that Rupert Murdock owns what is no doubt your favorite news station, Fox, and that he is at the beck and call of every republican cocksucker this side of the Canadian border.

That's an impressive family history. It's also irrelevent in terms of this discussion. My great uncle was at the battle of Iwojima. My grandfather and grandmother both served the army during the Korean war. What the fuck is your point? You should be proud of your relatives who served, but it lends no creedance to your argument. All it proves is that you've swalloed the Amerikan lie. Oh yeah...we're spreading freedom, at the cost of thousands of innocent "collateral damage" casualties which no one bothers counting. We kill women or children or sick or old or wounded because they *might* pose a *slim* threat. We have absolutely no idea when we'll stop OCCUPYING a foriegn nation. People want us gone so bad they're willing to blow themselves up for the cause. Look at the picture I posted above and compare the two quotes. Tell me that I'm making this shit up.

If that's your idea of freedom, you're a fucking moron.

Thank you for the text book response, insulting me personally, call me a moron and generally displaying every characteristic that should get your post removed.

I in no way was insulting your friends, family or way of living. Only brought up questions about such things. As you have about the way 100,000's of Americans view the world

I'm proud your friends and family have served. Though that doesn't make them, or you experts in world affairs, balance of power, trade or financial incentives.

Where your arguement got weak is where you assume to know better, know the world picture and believe that your judgement on the situation is 100% correct and all others should realize this.

I do not hold myself as teh examlpe, I purchase alot of items made in China. I used this to simply remind you of the world situtation.

You defently have alot of anger in you, which is apparent in your blantant disregard to show any respect and the use of the 'f-word'. If you have to swear to say it, you probably should figure out another way about it. I really expected better and am rather disappointed in your response.

Re : People blowing themselves up. Just because one voice is the loudest doesn't mean thats the voice of all the people. People may be fighting the US but its well known most of these people are not Iraqies themselves. They are coming from all around to fight America. The way they are going about it isnt' respectable combat. Car bombs and the use of small childern is discraceful.

As for the number of US soliders that have died over there. To date is the largest military conflict with the smallest % of deaths. So if you believe that you can goto war without death there is an issue there. Secondly to this point people in the military are aware of this point, death comes with teh job.

Why military enlistment is down. To say its the cause of one aspect, is an uneducated view of the situation and your coment serves to back your point but isn't the full truth. It's a series of reasons, not excluding lack of pay, poor living conditions, few growth opporunities, extended leave from family and high personal injury. Just to list a few.

As for my background, I served to provide you more details about myself to display where I'm coming from. 'You cannot know where you're going unless you remember where you have come from' its a famous quote, though i forget who from.

As for my lack of involvement in the Canadian military. I was once involved, though I removed myself from the process after discovering that a huge precentage of our military force gets desk jobs and our airforce doesn't fly military manuvers outside of our country. Seemed like I would be better off waiting to be in the US military. Added to this I'm getting married in 4 months, finishing up school and moving in a year the timing wasn't there. To put the nail in the coffin, the canadian forces do not allow you to actively serve in two military forces.

I'm sorry you cannot engage in an inteligent discussion.