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Wren57 · 01-16-2005, 03:41 PM

OH boy here we go...

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If you can't deal with a POV that may be different than yours, or if you choose to not look through ALL propoganda generated by EVERYONE, are easily offended or otherwise sensitive, or if you are pregnant or nursing, you should stop reading right here.
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The big picture is global. This is, in basic terms, a war of ideas. This is a war between order and chaos; the paradox is that the order (represented by the "west") is corrupted. So, which is better; corrupted order or chaos? That is the main question here.

Now, look at the Middle East. People say we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but maybe Saudi Arabia. We are fighting this war of ideas, as it was brought to us, and we will finish it. We NEED Saudi Arabia as an ally for a while; they are our only ally there (other than Israel). You have to see through the strategy; We are dividing and conquering. This has been coming for a long time, which is why we have kept positive relations with Saudi Arabia. We will be friends with SA and set up an American-friendly Iraqi gov't. We already have Afghanistan, Pakistan, and SA on our side; then we get Iraq, so we have 4 allies in the area. Then we can take on Libya, Iran, etc. It is a war of ideas, and we are dividing and conquering; this is a very basic military principle. I don't agree with everything that is happening, but I AM smart enough to realize that Bush is NOT stupid, that he DOES have an overall strategy and so far, it IS working (democracies aren't made in the face of turmoil overnight... it took the US a LONG time). We are achieving our objective; to win the war of ideas. THAT is the big picture. Even if a city gets nuked or a few buildings destroyed, we will win. We might lose a battle, but we will win the war.

Now, some of the things gosei has said has cracked me up. Do you realize how LITTLE of the armed forces is actually on the battlefield? Not everyone has a rifle and a flak jacket. You say you pay taxes so you don't have to fight; what a jackass that makes you sound like. I dare you to tell the next cop that pulls you over that he owes you something because you pay his salary through taxes. This sense of entitlement to America's freedoms is sickening. Freedom is NOT free, and if you haven't learned that over the past 3 years, then it may be too late...

Kinda too big a topic to say all I want to as I don't want to type a thesis, but ask any specific questions and I'll be happy to answer.

01-16-2005, 03:41 PM	#31
Wren57 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Age: 40 Posts: 2,856	OH boy here we go... disclaimer If you can't deal with a POV that may be different than yours, or if you choose to not look through ALL propoganda generated by EVERYONE, are easily offended or otherwise sensitive, or if you are pregnant or nursing, you should stop reading right here. ********** The big picture is global. This is, in basic terms, a war of ideas. This is a war between order and chaos; the paradox is that the order (represented by the "west") is corrupted. So, which is better; corrupted order or chaos? That is the main question here. Now, look at the Middle East. People say we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but maybe Saudi Arabia. We are fighting this war of ideas, as it was brought to us, and we will finish it. We NEED Saudi Arabia as an ally for a while; they are our only ally there (other than Israel). You have to see through the strategy; We are dividing and conquering. This has been coming for a long time, which is why we have kept positive relations with Saudi Arabia. We will be friends with SA and set up an American-friendly Iraqi gov't. We already have Afghanistan, Pakistan, and SA on our side; then we get Iraq, so we have 4 allies in the area. Then we can take on Libya, Iran, etc. It is a war of ideas, and we are dividing and conquering; this is a very basic military principle. I don't agree with everything that is happening, but I AM smart enough to realize that Bush is NOT stupid, that he DOES have an overall strategy and so far, it IS working (democracies aren't made in the face of turmoil overnight... it took the US a LONG time). We are achieving our objective; to win the war of ideas. THAT is the big picture. Even if a city gets nuked or a few buildings destroyed, we will win. We might lose a battle, but we will win the war. Now, some of the things gosei has said has cracked me up. Do you realize how LITTLE of the armed forces is actually on the battlefield? Not everyone has a rifle and a flak jacket. You say you pay taxes so you don't have to fight; what a jackass that makes you sound like. I dare you to tell the next cop that pulls you over that he owes you something because you pay his salary through taxes. This sense of entitlement to America's freedoms is sickening. Freedom is NOT free, and if you haven't learned that over the past 3 years, then it may be too late... Kinda too big a topic to say all I want to as I don't want to type a thesis, but ask any specific questions and I'll be happy to answer. __________________ yeah, its that big