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01-04-2002, 12:33 PM

first of all I refrained from insulting your intelligence, although you think you must insult mine. Oh where to start.......
1. My frame of mind is one track. That performance upgrades sold to the average consumer, who will honestly never push their car to the max, regardless of what you might think, are sold more on looks than performance. Yes the AEM kit will give you varied better braking, but is not some great buy for performance braking. You can buy a good set of pads for your stock setup and aqquire the same thing.

2. The tracks I am talking about are places like Virginia International Raceway, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen, Summit Point, Limerock ETC. Is that what you are looking for? They are road courses where braking matters more than ever.

3. My experience comes from my own car, a 94 Accord 4 door running brembo blank rotors, stock calipers and Carbotech Panther Plus pads. I also do a lot of work on ITR's, Preludes, BMW's, Porsche's, Mustangs. The work usually consists of rotor replacement, 90% of the time being stock rotors or aftermarket slotted and cross drilled rotors, because they have ethier warped or the slots and holes have filled with pad and rotor wear creating overheating and glazing. Commonly the pads we replace are pads you find in auto parts stores that claim to be carbon mettalic high performance, EBC green and red stuff, Hawk HP's, AEM performance pads. They feel great for a couple of laps but then are gone after they heat over their intended operating temperature. The pads commonly used are Hawk Blues, Carbotech Panther Plus and regular Panther's, Porterfeild R4S.

4. My mention of Carbotech is not because they sponsor me, because they don't, but because they are a company I talk to very often about setups and refer others to talk to about their setups.

5. All of your sports Cars with the big brakes and cross drilled rotors are like that for LOOKS. Come to a Porsche or BMW sponsored track day and see how many of their race cars run Cross drilled rotors.

6. I didn't miss the point of why most import consumers buy these systems, I actually acknowledged that. I am saying it is a bit of a misnomer to think that it is a big performance upgrade.

Another point I will make is that braking on the street, or on the auotcross track, and the instances of pad fade and overheating are not from the same reasons that you will experience on a true race track.
I am really glad you can sell pottery but I see no relevance in that comment. You are also quick to insult me like you have something to prove. I am sorry to inform you but I do have a little knowledge about brakes and their setup.

01-04-2002, 12:33 PM	#10
urbanlegend21 Posts: n/a	first of all I refrained from insulting your intelligence, although you think you must insult mine. Oh where to start....... 1. My frame of mind is one track. That performance upgrades sold to the average consumer, who will honestly never push their car to the max, regardless of what you might think, are sold more on looks than performance. Yes the AEM kit will give you varied better braking, but is not some great buy for performance braking. You can buy a good set of pads for your stock setup and aqquire the same thing. 2. The tracks I am talking about are places like Virginia International Raceway, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen, Summit Point, Limerock ETC. Is that what you are looking for? They are road courses where braking matters more than ever. 3. My experience comes from my own car, a 94 Accord 4 door running brembo blank rotors, stock calipers and Carbotech Panther Plus pads. I also do a lot of work on ITR's, Preludes, BMW's, Porsche's, Mustangs. The work usually consists of rotor replacement, 90% of the time being stock rotors or aftermarket slotted and cross drilled rotors, because they have ethier warped or the slots and holes have filled with pad and rotor wear creating overheating and glazing. Commonly the pads we replace are pads you find in auto parts stores that claim to be carbon mettalic high performance, EBC green and red stuff, Hawk HP's, AEM performance pads. They feel great for a couple of laps but then are gone after they heat over their intended operating temperature. The pads commonly used are Hawk Blues, Carbotech Panther Plus and regular Panther's, Porterfeild R4S. 4. My mention of Carbotech is not because they sponsor me, because they don't, but because they are a company I talk to very often about setups and refer others to talk to about their setups. 5. All of your sports Cars with the big brakes and cross drilled rotors are like that for LOOKS. Come to a Porsche or BMW sponsored track day and see how many of their race cars run Cross drilled rotors. 6. I didn't miss the point of why most import consumers buy these systems, I actually acknowledged that. I am saying it is a bit of a misnomer to think that it is a big performance upgrade. Another point I will make is that braking on the street, or on the auotcross track, and the instances of pad fade and overheating are not from the same reasons that you will experience on a true race track. I am really glad you can sell pottery but I see no relevance in that comment. You are also quick to insult me like you have something to prove. I am sorry to inform you but I do have a little knowledge about brakes and their setup.