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Originally posted by OPAKRACING
Dude! rofl...you HAVE a fuking civic!! omg....Civics are quick, thats the whole point! Civics can be fast....You're jsut looking at numbers!! damn, just cause you see 200 HP on a civic after a b18c5 swap (you said civics could never be fast.) doesn't mean any car with higher HP could beat it....theres other stuff ya gotta take into account...like my friend with a 240sx...he's got a K&N filter, and some 1500 dollar suspension...and he can beat WRX's in strait lines because of the number of drive shafts they have, and some other reasons too....point is, is that civics can be quick.
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No civic's are NOT quick... they're peppy...
civic's can be fast sure... so could a minivan if you dump enough money into it.
I said that EVEN AFTER THE SWAP it will not be fast. which it won't.... it'll be peppier. It will be faster than a integra with the same motor but that's about it. which IS NOT IN ANY WAY APPROACHING FAST.
I HIGHLY doubt your buddies 240 beats wrx's... if it does he's either the best driver in the world or the dude's he's raced weren't racing or don't know how to drive.
You know you can just say "more drivetrain loss" right? And mustangs DON'T have awd so your arguement is moot.
Also wrx is not a domestic. and if you ask gt40 he owned one and is looking to sell it because it IS NOT FAST. they're quicker.
still get roasted by a stock mustang. much less a cobra (if you want to go boost for boost)
domestic guys laugh at you because your all psyched to get 200 hp (incedentally you're aware theat CRANK hp not whp right?) which is NOTHING it's less than a mustang comes with stock.
and as far as civic's being light... you are seriously dumb... they are NOT light by ANY stretch of the imagination... lighter than a dump truck. mine's like 2600 lbs... ya that's REAL light. especially since a mustang weighs around 3k... OOOOHHH you've saved a WHOLE 300 lbs... the engine in a mustang weighs more than 300 lbs more than a civic's. not to mention it has more than triple the horsepower and displacement....
Also keep in mind a b18c5 is pushed pretty to it's peak... it's running 100hp/liter from the factory... that's about ALL your going to get out of it... sure you can dump 2-3k into the motor and get a whole 100 hp out of it (trust me I'm being generous here). So now you have a 300hp FULLY worked motor.. wow... you sure have done something... DUMB.
take a 302... it's 5.0 liters and has like 260 hp... that's 52 hp/liter... think there's some room for TUNING there?
there is almost NO problem getting 400-500 horse out of a mustang. there is almost NO way you'll EVER EVER EVER own a 300 hp civic much less 4 or 5.
You drool over power that mustang guys TUNE OUT to get more drivability out of their cars.
also...
EVERY component you add does not add a hp number it increases the performance relative to what was there before... the 2-3 hp we get from an intake is 15-20 for a mustang...
It's like racing a tractor... sure you can do it... you can even make it "fast"... for a tractor, doesn't make it any less of a waste of money and time if your goal is to have a fast vehicle at the end.
If you want a fast tractor then sure you got it.
Point is you talk a LOT of bs... you asked why people hate imports... look at the light you hold them in and ask youself why someone who knows something about performance might get tired of hearing kids yabber on and on about their "fast civic"...
It's NOT fast no matter how fast it is there are a MILLION domestics that would chew up and spit out your "fast" civic bone stock.
the only mildly cool thing about civic/import tuning is when somebody makes a civic that can roast mustangs and vettes for LESS than you would pay for one of those... even then your still in the cheapest car honda made.