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05-02-2003, 11:19 PM

I've skimmed all 3 pages, and now it's time for me to own all of the shithead liberals here.......................Let me begin with facts.

There are about 250 million guns in this country, and that's an estimate. Almost as many guns as there are people. If you tried to ban them, you wouldn't get them all, as we don't even know how many we have. About 2-4 million come into the states every year, and about 2+ million are produced. There are about 80 million gun owners, and about 40 million handgun owners. These are rough figures off the top of my head, but they are very close. The number of times guns kill people in a CRIME are far less than the number of documented defensive gun useages (we're looking at around 2 million defense cases vs 10,000 murders). Many liberals try to skew numbers when they say that "guns kill" and try to lump suicides and accidents with murders to try to make them more evil looking.........When it comes to handguns and children, bath water, electricity, and poison are FAR more dangerous to a baby than a handgun. It comes down to the PARENTS in terms of how safe the kid is. I for one value personal responsibility, a classical conservative value. If you believe in collective rights and responsibility, you are a scumbag liberal who wants to undermine the basic principles of this great country.

The majority of crimes committed are by repeat felons, meaning they couldn't get their hands on a gun legally if they wanted to. Keeping guns locked up is a personal responsibility, and not a good reason to ban them because a small number of them get stolen. Some liberals claim that having a gun makes you more succeptable to getting killed, like the gun being stolen, taken from you in a fight, etc etc. This is BS. Most times the guns are stolen when someone isn't home, and most of the time the gun isn't taken from the victim. Look at Gary Kleck's early 90s research on guns, concealed carry and decrease in crime, and other great statistics. He won a criminology award. He proved how, over time, Concealed Carry legislation has successfully reduced crime rates, and has compared it to similar cities with statistical relevance.

Other things to consider:

An armed society is a polite society. Do you know anyone who has a concealed handgun? They know the laws better than you do, and know that us gun owners have everything stacked against them. We cannot brandish a firearm in public or take it out unless someone's life is endangered. Failure to do so gets you an assault charge with a deadly weapon. We can't even fire on an intruder unless our lives are in danger. Every gun owner, most of them RESPONSIBLE looking at the low rates of crime among us, must avoid conflict in public at all costs, and thus has to keep one's calm more often. When you carry a gun, you carry a responsibility. Contrary to the media and news reports you hear, most of us are probably better citizens than you are.

Some argue that Europe has lower crime rates because they don't allow guns. BULLSHIT.
1. The overall crime rate is LOWER IN GENERAL, lower than non gun related crimes here in America. It is NOT the gun's fault, but society. A good essay was written on this in a book, "Guns: A Reader", a collection of readings pro and con about guns in America. A violent society will always have more crime.........
2. Take a look at Switzerland. One of the lowest crime rates in the WORLD. What is their gun poilcy? MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP. ALL HOUSEHOLDS NEED TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST 1 RIFLE IN WORKING ORDER. People buy direct from the military. THAT, my son, is HOMELAND DEFENSE. It is a long tradtion in their country and a part of homeland security. I am not joking. Once again, the societal controls dictate how a society acts.

Look here in our own country. LA has the shittiest gun laws ever, it's impossible to get a handgun. Yet, crime is out of control, same in D.C., also one of America's biggest shitholes. In VT, we have open carry, meaning you can walk into town with a gun in the open, and you just need to be of age to get a gun, no real concealed permit necessary. Yes, the 2 environments are totally different, but as the gun controls get stricter, they work less and less.

I dobut anyone read all, or any of this. This is what I've got off the top of my head. Pardon if I missed anything.

Links to my guns:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fc4e02be.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...2/fc4e02c1.jpg

Norinco 982 Home defense, and an SKS.

EDIT: WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FROM BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE SERIOUSLY. MOORE IS A FAT **** WITH AN AGENDA. Basically, from one short cartoon preview I saw, he labelled many gun owners as KKK, linking them to fearing black people, then arming up. God only knows what other shit is in that movie.

05-02-2003, 11:19 PM	#45
AJ1978TA Posts: n/a	I've skimmed all 3 pages, and now it's time for me to own all of the shithead liberals here.......................Let me begin with facts. There are about 250 million guns in this country, and that's an estimate. Almost as many guns as there are people. If you tried to ban them, you wouldn't get them all, as we don't even know how many we have. About 2-4 million come into the states every year, and about 2+ million are produced. There are about 80 million gun owners, and about 40 million handgun owners. These are rough figures off the top of my head, but they are very close. The number of times guns kill people in a CRIME are far less than the number of documented defensive gun useages (we're looking at around 2 million defense cases vs 10,000 murders). Many liberals try to skew numbers when they say that "guns kill" and try to lump suicides and accidents with murders to try to make them more evil looking.........When it comes to handguns and children, bath water, electricity, and poison are FAR more dangerous to a baby than a handgun. It comes down to the PARENTS in terms of how safe the kid is. I for one value personal responsibility, a classical conservative value. If you believe in collective rights and responsibility, you are a scumbag liberal who wants to undermine the basic principles of this great country. The majority of crimes committed are by repeat felons, meaning they couldn't get their hands on a gun legally if they wanted to. Keeping guns locked up is a personal responsibility, and not a good reason to ban them because a small number of them get stolen. Some liberals claim that having a gun makes you more succeptable to getting killed, like the gun being stolen, taken from you in a fight, etc etc. This is BS. Most times the guns are stolen when someone isn't home, and most of the time the gun isn't taken from the victim. Look at Gary Kleck's early 90s research on guns, concealed carry and decrease in crime, and other great statistics. He won a criminology award. He proved how, over time, Concealed Carry legislation has successfully reduced crime rates, and has compared it to similar cities with statistical relevance. Other things to consider: An armed society is a polite society. Do you know anyone who has a concealed handgun? They know the laws better than you do, and know that us gun owners have everything stacked against them. We cannot brandish a firearm in public or take it out unless someone's life is endangered. Failure to do so gets you an assault charge with a deadly weapon. We can't even fire on an intruder unless our lives are in danger. Every gun owner, most of them RESPONSIBLE looking at the low rates of crime among us, must avoid conflict in public at all costs, and thus has to keep one's calm more often. When you carry a gun, you carry a responsibility. Contrary to the media and news reports you hear, most of us are probably better citizens than you are. Some argue that Europe has lower crime rates because they don't allow guns. BULLSHIT. 1. The overall crime rate is LOWER IN GENERAL, lower than non gun related crimes here in America. It is NOT the gun's fault, but society. A good essay was written on this in a book, "Guns: A Reader", a collection of readings pro and con about guns in America. A violent society will always have more crime......... 2. Take a look at Switzerland. One of the lowest crime rates in the WORLD. What is their gun poilcy? MANDATORY GUN OWNERSHIP. ALL HOUSEHOLDS NEED TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST 1 RIFLE IN WORKING ORDER. People buy direct from the military. THAT, my son, is HOMELAND DEFENSE. It is a long tradtion in their country and a part of homeland security. I am not joking. Once again, the societal controls dictate how a society acts. Look here in our own country. LA has the shittiest gun laws ever, it's impossible to get a handgun. Yet, crime is out of control, same in D.C., also one of America's biggest shitholes. In VT, we have open carry, meaning you can walk into town with a gun in the open, and you just need to be of age to get a gun, no real concealed permit necessary. Yes, the 2 environments are totally different, but as the gun controls get stricter, they work less and less. I dobut anyone read all, or any of this. This is what I've got off the top of my head. Pardon if I missed anything. Links to my guns: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fc4e02be.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...2/fc4e02c1.jpg Norinco 982 Home defense, and an SKS. EDIT: WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FROM BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE SERIOUSLY. MOORE IS A FAT **** WITH AN AGENDA. Basically, from one short cartoon preview I saw, he labelled many gun owners as KKK, linking them to fearing black people, then arming up. God only knows what other shit is in that movie.