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Old 05-01-2003, 08:34 AM   #22
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Originally posted by cashizslick
Do you have the option of puting your car in a coded safe and keeping it hidden in your house? Did not think so.

So is the bank irresponsible when it gets broken into? Quite frankly I consider a bank's safe much more difficult to get into than a coded safe at home. The only surefire way to guarantee somebody doesn't find a gun in your house is to not have one. If there's no gun there, there's no gun to be stolen. No matter what you do to protect it and how responsible you are someone can still find a way to steal it. I grant you that most guns that are stolen probably aren't locked away very well, however I'm merely pointing out that your blanket application of irresponsibility is inappropriate and wrong.

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If handguns are illegal, then there would be no way to legally carry a gun for protection (this would almost abolish our "right to bear arms")

The "right to bear arms" does not specifically state the "right to carry a handgun" nor does it mention carrying concealed arms. Shotguns, rifles, etc. aren't handguns. You could still bear arms without a handgun. And "there would be no way to legally carry a gun for protection"....have you never heard of anything other than handguns? You are aware that there are other guns out there....right? If all handguns were off the streets I think we'd all be safer. Now if you read my entire post you'd realize there are tradeoffs to this and it's extermely unlikely that you'd get all handguns off the streets.....go back and actually read the post and you'll see that this was covered....

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Ok, so if these guys have guns and are intending to harm you, wouldn't you also want one?

If you go back and read my entire post I think you'll realize that I'm not exactly arguing that we should ban guns.....would you feel safer if everybody carried a gun on the street?

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You've just completely contradicted yourself. If you are the head of the household, what is easier to hide from your kids, a handgun or a rifle?

If guns can statistically prevent crime, why make them illegal?


Whoah, let's back up a little bit. I provided some information showing consequences and benefits of banning guns. I'll put it in simpler English for you.

Benefits to banning handguns: total number of deaths to firearms would go down. Good chances total number of deaths would go down assuming other sources of death hold constant.

Consequences to banning handguns: guns still won't be off the streets, criminals will be more empowered.

The above benefits and consequences would vary if we're talking about banning all guns.

Now what I was saying in the quoted paragraph is related to the aforementioned consequence. I then provided an example where the exact opposite of illegalizing guns happened and the results from that. Bear in mind that this was only for home burglaries, I'm not sure what other effects it had on crimes/deaths in the county. Please tell me how that's a contradiction of myself. I didn't say anything about the households owning handguns and hiding things from kids. Hukt no fonix werkt four me.

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