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nonovurbizniz · 04-22-2003, 05:12 PM

I NEVER said magazine racing... I was just saying a lot of the times people say I have xxx hp and that's 1 time on the dyno. or that's their track setting...

I also don't think I said that a 400 hp civic is impossible because there are plenty of them...

What I said was if your plan is to dump this much money into a car then you civic is not the best option... not only could you sell it and get more money for it then you'll pay for another car of the same year but that car will handle the power better.

As far as prefering to have fwd over rwd... I'm not trying to offend you but... that HAS to be because you don't have as much experience in RWD cars... sure FWD is easier especially when there are traction issues... but a RWD will go faster and waste less power... plus like you said... if you know how to drive it it'll WASTE a FWD car with IDENTICAL everything else...

My dad's porsche could spin'em in any gear below 4 especially around a corner... that doesn't mean that I couldn't accelerate through a corner in it WAY faster then my no traction loss sentra or civic and not because of power... or suspension because over steer is A LOT easier to get aggressive with then understeer is... I'll take my ass swinging out a little over pushing into a guardrail or woods anyday.

PLUS... my whole statement was that if you want that kind of power you should go AWD... it's just better... nothing like flooring it through a 90 degree bend and just having to hold onto your seat.

I know you CAN do it w/o.. I know it's done w/o... but it would be better done with.

I just think this is silly it's BEYOND obvious that opak has NO money and these are just dreams... he's been repeatadly asked for a budget but he doesn't reply...

I never said civics' or hondas' were somehow incapable of speed or anything like that... what I said was that if your going to start off new... with an un modded car... then get a better platform... Not only will you not be another D-bag with a honda (regardless of how fast it is or isn't) but you'll have a car that's more geared towards your goals and more capable of handling those goals once attained...

Be different. don't just hop on a bandwagon.. I got a civic cuz I wrecked my old car and NEEDED a new one and couldn't find another sentra... this civic was down the street for sale and it had all the bs I didn't have on my sentra (power everything and a sunroof). That car (sentra) was a 1.6 and HEAVELY modded.. it'd burn stock ser's on the highway (happened once or twice) and it was only a 1.6... HOWEVER it had DOHC instead of this SOHC bs... it had a timing chain instead of this belt bs... and it was WAY faster then my civic, probobly not so, stock; but it was a MUCH better car imo.

And just as capable of swaps... only better ones like sr20det... or just turbo a sr20de... or build the 1.6 more... it was a rager... way stronger smoother and more reliable than my civic.

He can put 40k into a short bus for all I care.. I was just trying to help the uninformed kid out of making a mistake that once he does know all the stuff he wishes he did now he'll regret...

OOPS I jumped on the honda bandwagon instead of learning about cars and choosing the best or at least a better one to mod.

I love my honda... I like SOME other honda's (like your lude chris) but if I was planning on dumping 10k+ into a car there is NO WAY IN HELL IT WOULD BE A HONDA.... FOR GOOD GOOD REASON.

they're just not a very good track or autocross project car... unless your goal is to get kudos from other honda owners... then it's great. The benifit to them is the amount of information out there on them and cost of parts (which aren't really much cheaper than other cars you just have more opportunities to get group buys and clearance stuff.)

04-22-2003, 05:12 PM	#52
nonovurbizniz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ECUSA Age: 48 Posts: 2,693	I NEVER said magazine racing... I was just saying a lot of the times people say I have xxx hp and that's 1 time on the dyno. or that's their track setting... I also don't think I said that a 400 hp civic is impossible because there are plenty of them... What I said was if your plan is to dump this much money into a car then you civic is not the best option... not only could you sell it and get more money for it then you'll pay for another car of the same year but that car will handle the power better. As far as prefering to have fwd over rwd... I'm not trying to offend you but... that HAS to be because you don't have as much experience in RWD cars... sure FWD is easier especially when there are traction issues... but a RWD will go faster and waste less power... plus like you said... if you know how to drive it it'll WASTE a FWD car with IDENTICAL everything else... My dad's porsche could spin'em in any gear below 4 especially around a corner... that doesn't mean that I couldn't accelerate through a corner in it WAY faster then my no traction loss sentra or civic and not because of power... or suspension because over steer is A LOT easier to get aggressive with then understeer is... I'll take my ass swinging out a little over pushing into a guardrail or woods anyday. PLUS... my whole statement was that if you want that kind of power you should go AWD... it's just better... nothing like flooring it through a 90 degree bend and just having to hold onto your seat. I know you CAN do it w/o.. I know it's done w/o... but it would be better done with. I just think this is silly it's BEYOND obvious that opak has NO money and these are just dreams... he's been repeatadly asked for a budget but he doesn't reply... I never said civics' or hondas' were somehow incapable of speed or anything like that... what I said was that if your going to start off new... with an un modded car... then get a better platform... Not only will you not be another D-bag with a honda (regardless of how fast it is or isn't) but you'll have a car that's more geared towards your goals and more capable of handling those goals once attained... Be different. don't just hop on a bandwagon.. I got a civic cuz I wrecked my old car and NEEDED a new one and couldn't find another sentra... this civic was down the street for sale and it had all the bs I didn't have on my sentra (power everything and a sunroof). That car (sentra) was a 1.6 and HEAVELY modded.. it'd burn stock ser's on the highway (happened once or twice) and it was only a 1.6... HOWEVER it had DOHC instead of this SOHC bs... it had a timing chain instead of this belt bs... and it was WAY faster then my civic, probobly not so, stock; but it was a MUCH better car imo. And just as capable of swaps... only better ones like sr20det... or just turbo a sr20de... or build the 1.6 more... it was a rager... way stronger smoother and more reliable than my civic. He can put 40k into a short bus for all I care.. I was just trying to help the uninformed kid out of making a mistake that once he does know all the stuff he wishes he did now he'll regret... OOPS I jumped on the honda bandwagon instead of learning about cars and choosing the best or at least a better one to mod. I love my honda... I like SOME other honda's (like your lude chris) but if I was planning on dumping 10k+ into a car there is NO WAY IN HELL IT WOULD BE A HONDA.... FOR GOOD GOOD REASON. they're just not a very good track or autocross project car... unless your goal is to get kudos from other honda owners... then it's great. The benifit to them is the amount of information out there on them and cost of parts (which aren't really much cheaper than other cars you just have more opportunities to get group buys and clearance stuff.) __________________ I am an A$$hole... take anything I say to heart at YOUR OWN RISK...